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NEO: The World Ends with You - Official Announcement Trailer (coming Summer 2021 to Nintendo Switch and PS4)
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And even the 3DS greatly reduces the image quality due to the poor resolution scaling and/or 800x200 pixel screens regardless of pixel perfect mode or not. Poor TWEWY DS. It's fantastic, but showcasing that is hard.
Never played the original, but one thing I loved about it was it's sense of style and aesthetic. While it might be too early to discount the game as a whole, the trailer looked like crap with none of the style I would've expected.
If you want a good DS screen, look for a DSi XL. All are guaranteed Dual IPS and really gorgeous. The Bronze/Black combo is probably my favorite system Nintendo has made.
I think making it 3D was already a mistake, but even so you can't deny that the visual fidelity is very lacking. Looking at the screenshots in OP the super low res textures and jaggy as hell characters are very distracting, at least to me.
I hope at least those are early photos of the switch version or something
By all accounts, Persona 4 looked terrible even for a PS2 game. And then Persona 5 came out years and years later (with a bunch of spin off games and anime stuff) in between. You could definitely argue that Persona 4 was relatively niche and Persona 5 was the more mainstream hit. How did it get that way? I remember when the first gameplay trailer for Persona 5 hit, tons of people were blown away by the style and how well the anime style translated to 3D graphics. I think Persona 5 was the first Persona game for a huge set of people and those people got in because the visuals were so spectacular. And I don't even think Persona is the best when it comes to anime-style graphics (that goes to the current ArcSys games).
So is it really ridiculous to expect a step up in terms of visual fidelity for the TWEWY sequel up to modern standards? I am not even asking for the game to blow my hair back in terms of visuals, just look more in line with a game that released four years ago. If they were afraid of "pouring money without any ROI" then why bother doing an anime?
I guess we can't expect that since there hasn't been anything in the interim between the original game's release and this sequ- oh wait, there has been a mobile port, a switch port, and now an anime...
Well then I guess we can't really expect much more considering this is a pretty tiny indie dev- oh wait, this is square enix, arguably Japan's biggest developer/publisher.
Again, I'm not expecting the budget of the next final fantasy here. And if the budget is restrictive, then they have to find a visual look that works within their means. I think making what appears to be a more traditional 3D action game is going to invite comparisons to similar third person 3D anime games and those are fair comparisons to make. I want the game to be the best that it can be, is that really so wrong?
I mean, I disagree with basically everything in your post. Different people I guess. I've gone back and watched the trailer a few times and checked the screens after reading posts like yours, wondering if I'm missing something. But each time I just think it looks great and the style is what I would expect from a TWEWY game. As I said, I do think the environments look a bit simpler (i.e. not as much texture/shadow/etc on the streets or walls of the buildings) but it just scream TWEWY to me overall. I'm not finding the characters distracting either, but maybe it's because my TWEWY experience is restricted to the DS.
To me it reminds me of No More Heroes graphics. Like they said "fuck it lets do an open world with a B project budget."
Persona 4 Golden alone sold 1.5m copies. Persona 4 is not niche. Persona 4 is actually the equivalent of NEO TWEWY in this scenario, with Persona 3 being relatively niche, and then Persona 4 becoming hugely successful which led to a higher budget Persona 5.
To be fair, SE is unpredictable. Nier didn't do so hot, along with Drakengard 3, and then came Nier Automata
How would square sell itself?
And if you mean Jupiter, they still have other series that are making them good money so...
I agree with all this. I've also been playing Tokyo Mirage Sessions and there's a tiny tiny pause between texts and stickers for a little flourish whereas the TWENY ones are instant. Like the style is neat but when I'm going through text boxes, I've always switched it to instant in options when I can. Just feels better.
I was being sarcastic. SE in their shame decided to sell themselves lol.
For those not in the know, the joke is about the asinine rumors about selling off eidos / eu branch due to avengers sales
As someone who used to work under SE who has a bit of insider info on it, Nier didn't do as badly as people think. The thing that really helped it make money was the absurdly high sales of ancillary product, many times higher than a lot of other SE brands. It felt unpredictable from the outside, for sure, but Nier actually did turn out well financially. This is also why Automata has had absurd amounts of merchandise released.
Right... But clearly you acknowledge that Square is making a push here? We've had the switch port, now an anime (that I actually think looks really fantastic and pretty high budget, all things considered). Why shouldn't this game get a "decent" budget? Again, not Final Fantasy or Dragon Quest, but something on the level of...
This! I had never heard of Nier before Automata lol. And then I saw trailers for Automata and was blown away by the visual style and animation. Obviously the actual game had its fair share of visual problems both from a design and technical perspective, but that initial style with the music and visuals is what hooked me. Why can't this be the onboarding for more people? So that TWEWY doesn't have to be niche anymore?
Willing to share any info on TWEWY switch's sales as well? I bet that game didn't do as badly as people thought it did either. I mean, we have this game existing, so that's kind of proof of that.
And who knows? I could be wrong! The game may very well be fantastic! I'll still play it for sure because I love the original soooo much and story is going to be the thing that makes or breaks this game anyway. I'm just sad that for me, the most excitement I'm getting right now is from the simple fact that this game exists rather than anything I'm actually seeing (or hearing) on the screen.
I'm no insider, but from what I can see the switch port didn't exactly sell a ton of copies. If you look it up, it's generally considered disappointing sales wise, at least in Japan. Also wanted to point out that comparisons to Persona in any way seem off base, given Persona is Atlas' highest selling game/series and keeps them in business. So of course they are going to get the budget and time to make it look great.
Looks awful, can't wait.
This is very interesting, seems like an easy way to convince the suits that it's a franchise with very passionate fans, and with a higher budget sequel they could get even more people just as invested. And I think it's safe to say that it worked.
Unfortunately I haven't worked there since 2014! That being said, considering Final Remix came out in late 2018, this game was probably already well into development.
I definitely think the main thing that made it happen was Yoko Taro and Yosuke Saito pushing so hard to make it happen, but being able to demonstrate that your users are worth more money than the average user is an incredibly strong bargaining chip!
This makes a ton of sense. And the next game is probably gonna continue to be moderately budgeted, is my bet. It's smart on SEs part.
I just can't see what people mean about lacking style or looking unpolished. Maybe it's a Persona 5 thing? I haven't played it but it seems a lot of people are comparing the two, and from the bits I've seen of the latter I think the issue is expecting it to have that kind of overblown and exaggerated style everywhere. TWEWY never took it to that extreme.
I don't see how NEO is much different from that, barring that there isn't graffiti in the areas shown.
I don't see how NEO is much different from that, barring that there isn't graffiti in the areas shown.
I also think Switch is a factor. This game looks really good for a non-downgraded switch game, and I think that's what they're going for.
Seriously. People are friggin nuts to say this game "looks bad"
Shrug. Again, if we look up NieR numbers they don't look great! But, we've now heard evidence to the contrary. I think it must have sold well enough, considering that this game exists. My question is, if you are going to bother reviving a franchise for a game this old, why not go all in? Or... at least... a little more in? What's the point if you bring back a franchise and it remains incredibly niche since it never got the visual "WOW" factor to sell copies to people who aren't longtime fans?
Yeah, I hope you're right. I hope that maybe we saw switch footage and PS4 footage will look a lot cleaner with less jaggies?
I think even though Persona 5 looks great, it is still kind of a budget game in some ways. There are tons of reused animations and a good chunk of dialogue isn't voiced. I don't think you need an astronomical budget to make a game look like that (and I don't think this game is going to be 130 hours long like Persona 5 is). They did a lot of smart visual tricks like making the NPCS appear more bland and featureless to save themselves money on art while still maintaining a really strong visual identity. I think TWEWY back on the DS did this sort of thing too, using the visual style to actually reflect the themes of the game. Granted, I have no idea what the thematic elements of this new game are, but visually I just see them trying to adapt the style of the first game to 3D without a whole lot else going on. I kind of wanted more of an evolution of the style rather than just a direct translation of it from 2D to 3D. But, I guess I'm crazy for wanting that.
Finally, a decent sized game this generation that is cel shaded. My only gripe this generation is the lack of cel shaded games outside of anime fighters.
Just woke up to this, ended up falling asleep about an hour before announcement. This feels completely surreal, waking up to a new TWEWY game and its a stylish cel shaded 3D action game. Feels like Christmas got here over a month early for me, I couldn't have asked for anything more. Kinda worried Nagi will be annoying based on the vibes I got from the trailer but I am incredibly happy with everything else and can't wait to find out more.
Possible? Yes. Likely? Not very; if they were going to port the game to the PS4, they would likely have done so at the same time they made the Switch port.
2WEWY works a lot better; no one is going to know what you're talking about if you say "Neo". For all they know, they could think you're referring to the Matrix films.
One of my biggest fears is that NEO won't be able to fill the niche the original did.
TWEWY is one of the most standout games I've ever played, fully taking advantage of the DS's hardware. There hasn't really been a lot of games with that level of finesse.
I hope it isn't one of those lightning only strikes once type of deals.
TWEWY is one of the most standout games I've ever played, fully taking advantage of the DS's hardware. There hasn't really been a lot of games with that level of finesse.
I hope it isn't one of those lightning only strikes once type of deals.
Persona fans stop comparing every anime game to Persona challenge 2020 please.
otherwise, games looks good so far, about what i expected since you literally couldn't make the same game as the original anymore.
otherwise, games looks good so far, about what i expected since you literally couldn't make the same game as the original anymore.
They could probably finagle something with the DS4 touchpad, but it'd definitely be extremely clunky without a touchscreen.
I saw someone point out that each character might only be fighting with 1 pin, so potentially you will be controlling all the characters in battle at the same time. That seems pretty cool and like a neat way to capture the spirit of the original battle system.
It looked to me like there were only 3 characters per battle though.
Edit: I'm wrong, I looked closer and there's four.
Woah, both games set in modern Japan with high school characters running around a 3D urban environment. WILD that the two are being compared from a visual standpoint.
I didn't see anyone comparing Genshin Impact's visuals to Persona 5's when it came out. Maybe cause those games are pretty different setting wise?
They brought my dude SHO back!? The Zetta king?
I'll be there Day 1. Easy purchase. The amount of hours I have on the original TWEWY cannot be fathomed.
I'll be there Day 1. Easy purchase. The amount of hours I have on the original TWEWY cannot be fathomed.