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negaoryx (Twitch streamer) absolutely destroys troll live on stream (seriously this is absolutely amazing)
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Not always. Full-blown alt-right bigots who have embedded themselves into that mindset and truly want a world where white men rule everything can't be changed, sure. But that troll could very well just be a shitty, immature teenager who's only a little way into the alt-right pipeline and can still be shocked out of it. It's happened before and it'll happen again, and it doesn't always even need this sort of brutal takedown to work.
Yeah, I used to feel that way too. But my experience in the last decade has been that the number who will change vs. the number who will just double down, and go seek out other communities who will reinforce and celebrate their behavior (which are readily available a click away), is vanishingly small. Call me cynical, but I've run out of patience to try to convert them. It's not up to the rest of us to give them a moral compass; all the examples they need are already there for them to see.
No one's trying to convert them or give them a moral compass. You loudly blast the shit out of them and bully them off the fucking internet into a cave and put a rock in front of it. The only reason these assholes are so widespread is because people just stay quiet and "don't give the troll what they want." It was bullshit from the start.
My point is even the blasting and bullying is empty when they have so many welcoming refuges. No matter how much we pump our fists and high five each other for TOTALLY SHREDDING alt-right losers on the internet, and imagine we've destroyed them and sent them whimpering away with their tails between their legs, that's almost never actually the case. How many people have you seen get burned publicly for things like this and then actually have it stick? They bounce right back the very next day. The next hour. And get right back on their shit.
Don't get me wrong, I applaud what negaoryx said and I'm glad she did. Yes, she absolutely should defend herself and put these guys in their place. Just don't expect much to come of it. These people have no shame to stir up. They are functionally dead.
They only bounce back because there are too many people like you who just give up.
She did it again tonight talking about streamers that refuse to confront their shitty fans. Didn't miss a beat and was still killing it in DBD.
Never said I gave up. I just decided my energies are better spent resisting than fruitlessly trying to teach. If you think their monstrous attitudes are just a matter of too many people staying silent, you haven't been on the corners of the internet I have and seen what we're truly up against.
Most of these people you will never reach.
Just flat out telling these basement-dwellingers how insignificant they are must be crushing. They really think they're being so incredibly witty with their "jokes". Not even just the mean-spirited shit like in that clip, but apparently any sentence is a joke once you end it with Kappa. Sure, it lacks the actual joke, but they themselves are funny, right? They are so funny and witty. It's irritating as hell.
I don't even think it was this much. I would almost bet that, after Neg was done, he just went "..so, blue then?" and was done with it :D
Edit her Youtube seems to be quite dead, so Twitch only it seems? Will keep an eye on her, that Zelda clip was legit funny as well.
Disagree. It's my belief that the most irredeemable examples are also the loudest, and so your "experience" is based largely on them. The ones who can change are generally less sure in their beliefs and therefore quieter from the start, and when they change they do that quietly as well, walking away from toxic communities and treating people in their life a bit better. You're not going to notice them nearly as much.
Also, I'm not sure where you got the idea that I want us all to calmly convert them/give them a a moral compass. I'm talking about stuff like the subject of this thread - emotionally smashing them and cutting down their delusions of how cool they and their ideology are. That's why I talked about them being shocked out of the mindset, not hand-held.
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And as I already responded to someone else, that doesn't work either. The idea that you're "emotionally smashing" anyone or "cutting down their delusions" is itself a delusion. Every day you see everywhere the power of people to dig in their heels in the face of such things, even when they seem like they should be unrecoverably embarrassing. You think you're destroying these people, but you're not. The internet makes it incredibly easy for them to shake it off and double down.
I don't get how the troll was "destroyed". To be destroyed you have to have skin in the game. He is completely anonymous. No one knows who he is. That's why he's saying that shit, to drive by and get a reaction with no effort. That's the whole point.
My preferred method of dealing with trolls is just ignoring them. It's noise. And when watching streamers I really prefer they just ignore them and have mods sort it out, it's not entertaining listening to a streamer get triggered by a troll and derail the stream to give them a bunch of attention. The streamer is putting a bunch of effort into responding to someone who has no skin in the game and put no effort into what prompted the exchange. Again, no one is "destroyed".
My preferred method of dealing with trolls is just ignoring them. It's noise. And when watching streamers I really prefer they just ignore them and have mods sort it out, it's not entertaining listening to a streamer get triggered by a troll and derail the stream to give them a bunch of attention. The streamer is putting a bunch of effort into responding to someone who has no skin in the game and put no effort into what prompted the exchange. Again, no one is "destroyed".
You don't know this. You think you do, because you see examples all the time, but like I said - the ones least capable of change are also the loudest and most confident in their bullshit. If they're the most visible, then of course it's going to seem like everyone in the alt-right sphere is completely irredeemable - but that doesn't make it true. You not seeing the people who change doesn't make them non-existent, they're just not being as loud and visible about it.
You're also not considering recent political changes. Trump being in office emboldened these pricks, and now he's been defeated and replaced by a man who is ripping up his legacy in record time. That's not to say there won't still be a movement of fascist scum that needs to be put down, but it does mean that the whole thing will be less cool and alluring in the eyes of some people. They'll have a tougher time recruiting now that they're a bunch of losers.
Damn that was excellent, so calm and on point. That dick got served his arse back to him. Lmfao you are a footnote. Bravo!
Holy crap, a better fatality than the ones at Mortal Kombat. I just hope that twat learnt the lesson.
I've seen people change, but what I'm telling you is the extremely lopsided ratio makes it not worth it to me. Sure, it's not impossible that you'll change a few minds, but by and large, you won't. I know this not only because of what I've seen, but because of who I've tried it with.
Yes, absolutely we should model better behavior, and that's the better way to get through to people... at least the ones who are still impressionable enough. But don't expect much from it. The way to combat these schools of thought is to block and deplatform them wherever they spring up. Write them off, shunt them aside and banish them.
User Banned (2 Weeks): Dismissing Concerns Around Sexual Harassment; Prior Ban for Inappropriate Joke and Transphobia
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Reminds me of my sister tbh. At some point you've dealt with the same repetitive toxicity that you've got stock answers for every predictable dolt.
Heroic.
Reminds me of my sister tbh. At some point you've dealt with the same repetitive toxicity that you've got stock answers for every predictable dolt.
Heroic.
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This is a clip of a woman responding to being sexually harassed on Twitch and your immediate reaction is to accuse her of rehearsing her response.
Congrats. You're just as sexist as that user in chat.
If someone posted a video of themselves hitting 10 3-point shots in a row and I reply "seems edited?", that doesn't mean I think being good at basketball is bad. It just means I've been on the internet for a long time and I've become highly skeptical of everything I see. Me being unable to enjoy the little joys in life doesn't mean I'm sexist though?
Then it's obviously less impressive as a clip while still being 100% correct in its message?
There's some Tweets replying to her below that are like 'yeah ggs they got to you' and even lean into the whole 'shouldn't respond it's just lame to be emotional about it' etc.
It's so fucking pernicious this shit. It's playground stuff: if you do anything, including nothing, you are still seen as wrong, and they, who 'just' do something so little (and yet it becomes such a fucking drama if they're called out on it), can act innocent. So fuck that noise. If you can't win with their logic (literally impossible unless they have an ounce of shame in their hearts) then fucking torch them with the logic of, y'know, adults who are able to be open and mindful.
See guys I'm not sexist because if you think about it, enduring sexual harassment is a lot like being good at basketball.
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Can we please not do this. I just thought she burned him so well it seemed like it was rehearsed. I'm not saying I disagree with her and I don't even really care if it was rehearsed, it was just an observation I now regret making in light of these responses.
Nah dude. She's a person with her name and face out there who's real and she's talking to a nametag on the internet. Someone several degrees removed from the exchange. No one knows his name, no one knows his face, no one even knows a single fact about him. He's so far removed from this there's nothing she can say that will affect him in any way.
You can't *cut* someone if you don't know anything about them or who they are. For example, if I replied to you right now, RedSparrow on the internet, and said your shirt is ugly and you're stupid for wearing that shirt, it would never cut you because I don't know what shirt you're wearing. If I knew what shirt you were wearing then it potentially could cut you. But since I don't, I'd be wasting my time if my goal was to own you.
That's not to say she "loses". Some of her audience may find this exchange entertaining, and clearly she got some exposure for it. But as far as the troll being "destroyed" or "put in his place" unfortunately it's not really possible unless she has a way of doxing him or something.
I mean that in the most friendly way, but take it as a lesson. It's good to know when to keep thoughts to yourself.
It's a clip of her shutting down a troll. Why is it important for you to diminish what she's doing, rehearsed comments or not?
I'm reacting to the topic which says a troll was "absolutely destroyed" and most of the replies saying something to that effect. No one was destroyed.
Does the spontaneity of her delivery have anything to do with her point? It doesn't. These are two entirely separate aspects of the video. I'm not seeking to diminish her point and the only reason I brought it up was because it was so well delivered it struck me as something written. Much like a lot of improv comics will have material at the ready for when the opportunity arises. If it was truly off the cuff than I'm even more impressed but me thinking otherwise isn't the same as me disagreeing with her about sexism or diminishing the point of the video. My apologies if it seemed like that was my intent, it wasn't.
This is definitely the important takeaway and discussion to have.
Jesus Christ. Why do some men have this obsessive need to WELL ACKSHUALLY things like this?
This is a very pedantic and needless quibble, arguing over word choice because it doesn't conform to your own idiosyncratic definition of what "got destroyed" means. Yes, she can't write his name in the Death Note, so complete waste of time, sure.
It's a waste of time if the goal is to punish the troll or make him change. If your goal is to frustrate the troll the best thing you can do is ban him without reacting to him in any way. If that's not your goal then fine, but I'm not sure what the goal is then
I kinda feel like the troll got the reaction they wanted though? All trolls I just imagine as the darkknightjoker.gif. Isn't it better to just let their comment drown in the twitch chat/ban them without giving them any attention whatsoever.
Oh I don't doubt the individual concerned was very likely not convinced by it at all. I don't doubt it had little effect on them.
But what else is one to do? Sure, ignoring it is probably just as effective, but in terms of speaking out, in terms of catharsis? Fuck yeah, it's great to hear righteous anger that's also cogent and incisive.
