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Tsuyu

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Oct 25, 2017
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Volatility has been a kiss of death for thousands of restaurants during the coronavirus pandemic.

Abrupt closures, inconsistent reopenings, changes in public health guidance for operations and other state-mandated orders have pushed the food service industry to the brink.

abcnews.go.com

Nearly 16,000 restaurants have closed permanently due to the pandemic, Yelp data shows

A new report by Yelp showed that 60% of restaurants that have closed amid the pandemic are closed permanently.

"The restaurant industry now reflects the highest total business closures, recently surpassing retail," the report stated.

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Nigel Tufnel

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Mar 5, 2019
3,146
There are some long term successful local places in my neighborhood that just don't have the capital to float it much longer. Folks who ran successful small, local businesses for 20 plus years who are about to go bankrupt and have nothing.
 

Nemesis121

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Nov 3, 2017
13,827
For a lot of the 16k could have been temporary with a real president, but sadly some of these fucks who are losing their jobs, homes, and even their family members will still vote for him come November...America land of Fucking stupid..
 

Mekanos

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Oct 17, 2018
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I'm sure they'll get bailouts like the big corporations. Any day now.
 
Oct 26, 2017
3,946
It's going to get soooo much worse. Trump and Republicans attempt to pretend this doesn't exist and will magically go away is costing thousands of lives a week and millions of people's livelihoods.
 

Menx64

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Oct 30, 2017
5,774
Economist:

People living paycheck to paycheck = financially irresponsible.

Business living day by day sales = ?
 

samoyed

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
15,191
Even in good times, owning a food business is a huge gamble. Really sucks for the people who started their business this year.
 

CountAntonio

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Oct 25, 2017
21,701
It's a damn shame. Although we call for a shutdown and it is the right move I feel for all the people who's livelihoods depend on a normal way of life.
 

Wetwork

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Oct 27, 2017
2,607
Colorado
I've been trying to support small businesses. But going out is expensive, and in a time where nothing is secure, I can only imagine what people who have responsibilities feel about going out

a rent freeze and proper SMALL BUSINESS LOANS not being scavenged by billion dollar industries should have been the option.
 

Menx64

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Oct 30, 2017
5,774
These damn restaurants not being able to absorb months and months of lost income.

I have my own small businesses with employees still receiving their paychecks, while still only doing express.
Living in a third world country teaches you to save for the hard times. Floodings, earthquakes, hurricanes...
But thats probably not in everyone's head.
 

Squarehard

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Oct 27, 2017
25,830
It was a tough business before, so this just adds on another layer of difficulty for those in the industry.

Certainly not even close to being over, but hope for the best for those that are still trying to stay afloat during these terrible times.
 

El Bombastico

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
36,027
If you thought it was bad before, wait until tomorrow when the last extended UI payments go out and most people can't afford to eat out at all anymore...
 

Midramble

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Oct 25, 2017
10,454
San Francisco
In SF the combination of astronomical commercial lease rents and this has it compounding. Even Louis died (80 year old family run diner)
 

gcubed

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Oct 25, 2017
5,785
I was a week away from starting construction on a taproom in March. Got a follow up question before approvals were to be finalized... the next week everything shut down. I pulled out of the process and am eternally thankful for whoever on the zoning commission sent that last clarification letter that delayed my SBA loan signing by 2 weeks.
 

rokkerkory

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Jun 14, 2018
14,128
This is so sad to hear. I feel for the owners and workers.

zero damn leadership in white house for this
 

GoldenEye 007

Roll Tide, Y'all!
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Oct 25, 2017
13,833
Texas
These damn restaurants not being able to absorb months and months of lost income.
I think the idea with that is business are given more sympathy for that versus individuals. When individuals should get just as much if not more sympathy and support for the clear level of financial issues in this country.
 

WedgeX

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Oct 27, 2017
13,168
We had development company landlords here in DC demanding full rent from restaurants the last few months. Had some staples of the neighborhood - like those frequented by members of Congress - go under. Who do landlords think are going replace those and make money?
 

SapientWolf

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Nov 6, 2017
6,565
Restaurant margins are razor thin. They're always the first thing to go in an economic downturn, which is being further exacerbated by the restrictions on indoor dining. I think the situation will get much worse without more rescue funding.
 

gully state

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Oct 27, 2017
1,989
While I applaud SF for not reopenning, it's really disheartening walking around the neighborhood and seeing one in every 3 stores shut down permanently
 

MopDog

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Nov 15, 2017
550
For a lot of the 16k could have been temporary with a real president, but sadly some of these fucks who are losing their jobs, homes, and even their family members will still vote for him come November...America land of Fucking stupid..

Genuinely impressed by your ability to deftly weave victim blaming into your commentary.
 

PlateOfShrimp

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Apr 16, 2020
714
Really sad and we're not even that far olinto this in terms of damage being done let alone rebuilding. It's hard to imagine the full impact of the pandemic.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think the idea with that is business are given more sympathy for that versus individuals. When individuals should get just as much if not more sympathy and support for the clear level of financial issues in this country.

It's a bullshit talking point that focuses on the wrong things. Small businesses failing isn't good for anybody, including those living paycheck to paycheck who work at these businesses. Blaming small businesses for not having months and months of operating capital saved as some sort of stupid ass gotcha on how conservatives paint the working poor is worthless.
 

Wolf

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Oct 25, 2017
4,845
Cancel mortgages, leases and evictions during this pandemic. The amount of amazing places that we're going to lose is heartbreaking.
 

GoldenEye 007

Roll Tide, Y'all!
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Oct 25, 2017
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Texas
It's a bullshit talking point that focuses on the wrong things. Small businesses failing isn't good for anybody, including those living paycheck to paycheck who work at these businesses. Blaming small businesses for not having months and months of operating capital saved as some sort of stupid ass gotcha on how conservatives paint the working poor is worthless.
Never said it was good. Nor is there blame there. And yes small businesses are critical to the economy and people.

I simply said that certain people don't extend that sympathy to those businesses and look down on individuals more. The blame starts immediately for individuals. "Why didn't you save?" "Why did you not foresee some random event and have prepared for it?"

So the right course of action would take the attitudes towards businesses and apply it to individuals. Might result in more competent and strong safety nets and sympathy towards individuals instead of the shitshow we're walking into now with the US Senate dicking around.
 

Illusion

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Oct 27, 2017
8,407
I'm lucky that my favorite restaurants all remain open and super busy at all hours. All local.
 

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Never said it was good. Nor is there blame there. And yes small businesses are critical to the economy and people.

I simply said that certain people don't extend that sympathy to those businesses and look down on individuals more. The blame starts immediately for individuals. "Why didn't you save?" "Why did you not foresee some random event and have prepared for it?"

So the right course of action would take the attitudes towards businesses and apply it to individuals. Might result in more competent and strong safety nets and sympathy towards individuals instead of the shitshow we're walking into now with the US Senate dicking around.
But we aren't seeing those attitudes towards small businesses either. We are seeing it towards large businesses. The ones who have actual sway in this country. It is trying to paint small businesses as something far more powerful than they are.
 

y2kyle89

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Mar 16, 2018
9,487
Mass
The Spike's Junkyard Dogs near me closed. I know it's not a local mom and pop shop but I really liked Spike's and it being a half hour (plus with traffic) from me with no option to deliver makes this nightmarish existence we're all living in just that slightly more nightmarish.

I'm gonna lie down for a minute...
 

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm sure glad that we killed all the local cornerstones that built our communities for... rent and mortgages
 

GoldenEye 007

Roll Tide, Y'all!
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Oct 25, 2017
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But we aren't seeing those attitudes towards small businesses either. We are seeing it towards large businesses. The ones who have actual sway in this country. It is trying to paint small businesses as something far more powerful than they are.
In general, I don't usually see as much vitriol towards failing businesses as I do towards failing households. Or households in general that have been left behind.

But yes, I'd agree the US government has failed once again in supporting smaller businesses and individuals in favor of large corporations.
 

colorblindmode

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Nov 26, 2019
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South Carolina
There's a dinner about a half a mile from my home that closed due to covid. It honestly was one of the best hole in the wall breakfast places I've eaten at. They would come in at like 3am and make a whole bunch of biscuit batter and would have these really hot, fresh biscuits
 

Saucycarpdog

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Oct 25, 2017
16,301
Profit margins in the restaurant industry were already thin before this pandemic. It's gonna get worse.
 
Jul 26, 2018
2,386
Not a surprise and it's gonna get worse....

I used to work in the restaurant industry for nearly 3 years. My job shut down in March. We reopened in June, but my guts was telling me to move due to how shitty the industry is getting and it's gonna get worse. So I left after just 6 hours of working and resigned. I didn't even get paid.... lol. Yet, still got my unemployment benefits.
 

PepsimanVsJoe

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Oct 26, 2017
6,120
The establishment I work at has actually benefitted from this nightmare, mainly because they're carryout/delivery only.

Still, I expect the other shoe to drop before long. Florida is a complete mess.
 

PRBoricua23

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Oct 27, 2017
313
Michigan
Imagine if the businesses that need the SBL actually got the money they needed, instead of giving it away to corporations and churches who were already worth billions. Imagine if we didn't spend billions bailing out the airline industry, imagine if we had been getting some sort of steady income due to this pandemic instead of a one-time payment of 1,200 which occurred when ... in April? May?

Imagine.
 

Nude_Tayne

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Jan 8, 2018
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This is one of the very most depressing things about the pandemic, outside of actual victims. So many local businesses I love will likely be gone forever, and that's lost jobs too. But of course, the giant chains will mostly survive this. And the power consolidates further in the giant corporations...
 
Oct 27, 2017
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A small humble local chinese restaurant that made their food freshly and tasted like no other chinese food I've ever eaten has been doing better than they've done in 18 years because when every other restaurant closed during the early months of the pandemic, they were open for carryout and delivery.

Meanwhile the East Asian Gourmet Buffet that recently opened up the last 3 years was permanently closed down. I loved this place and would get takeout from here 2 or 3 times a week. This place was always packed and getting delivery orders.
 

eyeball_kid

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Oct 25, 2017
10,225
What's maybe even worse is live music venues, since they can't do takeout or grocery deliveries or anything to bring money in. We've already lost venerable clubs that are part of music history. That is a huge cultural loss and without specific financial help most others will close permanently by the time we are able to allow packed crowds of people in them again.

There is an bill on the table to help give relief to music venues though, so please support this if you care about local clubs. https://www.saveourstages.com
 

Therion

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Oct 25, 2017
1,105
Not at all surprising considering how volatile the restaurant industry is at the best of times.
 

carda114

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Oct 28, 2017
284
Not even just local businesses are affected by this. In Western New York, all 17 Pizza Hut locations have closed permanently, because the franchisee refuses to open them up. So until another franchisee comes in to operate things (which seems unlikely), all of those locations and their employees are done. And I live in a somewhat more economically depressed area, so closures of any kind tend to be significant.
 

Daingurse

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Oct 25, 2017
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Federal government should have stepped up to prevent these kinds of business closures, instead of prioritizing bailouts for mult-billion dollar corporations. But of course we got the fucking idiot in chief "leading", and shit's only going to get worse . . .