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[NBC] The Trump administration has already built its case for Iran war
- Thread starter Zweizer
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Genuinely curious. Why would a war he obviously started help him win in 2020?
Is it just as simple as 'look America is kicking some ass!'?
I dont have the statistics in front of me. I do have a good friend thats in the Navy that used to work in the Pentagon that told me several years ago that every war game scenario with Iran had them sinking an aircraft carrier. And then the leader of the war game contemplating nukes as the US public finds out 1000s of sailors died immediately.
My understanding is their navy is made up of hundreds or thousands of speed boats each armed with Russian missles and torpedoes. Our fleets might be able to stop 99 out of 100 of these, but one would get through and hit the carrier.
people dont want to change a sitting president during wartime.
They might if they're against the war and the Democratic candidate promises to end it.
true but many people that are against the war in general might oppose to end the war in defeat
It's better to admit defeat in an unjust war so you can stop throwing thousands of Americans into the meatgrinder than keep fighting that unjust war, which by the way will only result in the entire Middle East being thrown into a chaos which makes everything from the past decade and a half look insignificant.
ah the bellum iustum... my question to you. does that even exist? or is there any side that would not declare its own war as just?
Well, Western imperialism has done a lot to radicalise Iran already. Might as well go all the way and create a group even worse than ISIS.
Yeah but it could be easily swooped as Iraq. Now they have nothing. Even Trump is using his old line he used for North Korea again "If Iran wants to fight, that will be the official end of Iran. Never threaten the United States again! ".
I think he is trying to get out of the situation without losing face.
It would very quickly turn into a regional conflict and proxy war. I'm having a hard time seeing how anyone could be dumb enough to do it but hey, if Russia need to involve themselves to temper things I'm all for that.
Numbers.
Iran already has sizable paramilitary reserve forces and organizations. You create a power vacuum, they'll be all over Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Oman, and the Strait of Hormuz
ISIS was mainly active in Syria and Iraq with some smaller offshoots in other countries, but never really anything which really threatened those countries' governments. You put the entire Middle East on fire, you're gonna have ISIS 2.0 in terms of numbers, and the ongoing US warmongering will for sure increase public support in those countries.
The fuck is this "winning" bullshit?
We violated a multilateral diplomatic agreement that eased tensions, prevented nuclear proliferation, improved economic relations, and did this all peacefully.
You think going to war will mean we "win?" Does life and happiness mean nothing to you?
Edit: I'm sorry, I misunderstood. <3
It is basically setting middle east war to European Extreme difficulty setting after having had issues clearing easy mode, the topography alone is absolutely terrifying.
When did they care about economic or military feasibility either?
All I know is that at the time of Desert Storm Iraq was #4 in the world (China, Soviet Union, US, Iraq)
Iran is a little less centralized and has funding in many militia in the surrounding areas.
One thing is for sure though, an occupation won't happen.
Yeah yeah. I was just thinking about the deeds they had done. Not how many there would be or what technology would be available. Sorry if I was not clear enough about "you win". It is certainly not a matter to take lightly. And I hope that sensible people prevail. All this warmongering is very scary and I hope that better times will come.
What exactly do Americans fear when they say they don't want to change a President during a war though? I've never fully understood that.
Both Iraq and Afghanistan were easy mode. The US will be turning it up to hard mode if they fight Iran. I will feel sorry for the countless soldiers on both sides and civilians who will be killed for Trump's fucking ego.
iran would have a much easier time retaliating against S.A and Israel than they would the U.S. don't think those two countries would want to risk the potential damage.
We have a history with that strategy. Nixon got tens of thousands killed by contiuing the VietNam war after our military leaders told him it was unwinnable.
Literally everything people said God King Obama would do, this dude is actually doing, and all of the whiners then are saying nothing now.
A war would likely give him every conservative-ish vote in the country because Muh Americuh and the rah rah bullshit eggheads in this country fall for, time and time again.
A war would likely give him every conservative-ish vote in the country because Muh Americuh and the rah rah bullshit eggheads in this country fall for, time and time again.
According to some Iranian news agencies Iran has quadrupled its production of low-enriched uranium
https://apnews.com/7783335cf2694e6e8ce4ef719d51e002
Pulling out of the nuclear deal and re-imposing sanctions sure is working out well....
https://apnews.com/7783335cf2694e6e8ce4ef719d51e002
Pulling out of the nuclear deal and re-imposing sanctions sure is working out well....
CNN: Pentagon to brief on plan that could send thousands of additional US troops to Middle East
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/22/politics/iran-troops-options/index.html
I mean, when the goal is to justify a war with Iran, it's working exactly as intended.
Iran played by our rules and are getting fucked anyway. No country will ever trust the US again.