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Well this isn't good. NBC News is reporting that the Strategic National Stockpile, first formed in 1999, was designed to be a "stopgap solution" in a public health crisis such as the coronavirus pandemic, it was NOT designed to be the "sole solution" and the former director of the SNS stated that the current mass shortages of PPEs across the U.S. AND the states already needing supplies from the stockpile "illustrate a systemwide failure in American health care" It's further reported that the stockpile was not at full capacity prior to the coronavirus pandemic and that it was not fully replenished after the 2009 H1N1 pandemic due to limited Congressional funding and that Congressional funding is an issue for the SNS and that due to limited funding, the SNS will never have everything needed, "it's just too expensive" says the former SNS director:

www.nbcnews.com

Why the Strategic National Stockpile isn't meant to solve a crisis like coronavirus

The country's largest repository of drugs and medical equipment is designed to be used as a stopgap — not a solution — during emergencies.

As health care workers around the country labor under shortages of personal protective equipment, all eyes are on the Strategic National Stockpile — the country's largest repository of drugs and medical equipment for use in a public health crisis.

But the U.S. strategic stockpile isn't intended to be the solution to a crisis. It's designed to be used as a stopgap during emergencies. The stockpile has limited resources, government officials and public health experts say, which weren't at full capacity even before the coronavirus was on the horizon.

"The Strategic National Stockpile is not designed to be the sole solution to these problems," said Greg Burel, who directed the stockpile program for more than 12 years until his long-planned retirement in January. He said the shortages of personal protective equipment across the country — and the fact that states already need items from the stockpile — illustrate a systemwide failure in American health care.


"Right now, all of this market runs on a just-in-time basis, because it is optimized for the best possible cost," he said. "But sometimes getting the best possible cost leaves you in a position that you have the worst possible preparedness."

The Strategic National Stockpile, or SNS, is meant to be used for brief periods until the supply chain resumes normally, other supplies are manufactured or the president invokes the Defense Production Act, which President Donald Trump did Friday, to compel companies to make the most needed supplies.

Formed in 1999, the stockpile employs 200 people who procure, store and distribute materials in times of emergency. Supplies are in "strategically located warehouses throughout the country ready for deployment," although the number of warehouses and their locations are closely guarded secrets for national security reasons, officials with the Department of Health and Human Services told NBC News.

The stockpile wasn't at full capacity before the COVID-19 outbreak in the U.S., in part because it never fully replenished some of the critical supplies used in the 2009 H1N1 pandemic response, Burel said.
During that crisis, at least 25 percent of the supply of antiviral drugs designated for influenza were used, as well as a significant amount of personal protective equipment — the very supplies hospitals are in dire need of right now.

HHS said that it has it has maintained supplies of personal protective equipment in the stockpile and that it has made several additional purchases, but "priorities for SNS inventory are balanced against congressionally available funding and direction."

"That stock was never replenished because we never received additional appropriations," Burel said. "We are not in the optimum situation right now."


It's estimated that $8 billion worth of vaccines, antibiotics, medical equipment and protective supplies are typically in the stockpile, designed to respond to a variety of scenarios. But the stockpile is limited by its annual — and occasionally supplemental — funding from Congress.

"What we try to do in the Strategic National Stockpile is use the appropriated funds that Congress gives us to invest in the best way we can," Burel said. "We are never going to have everything that you would like to have on that shelf. It's just too expensive."

HHS said that it has been "transparent that more supplies are needed" and that it has requested additional funding to procure more and scale up production.

"The role at the federal level is to appropriately implement regulatory relief, provide alternative sources and support manufacturing, and adjust allocation to appropriately target areas in need," the agency said in a statement. "Local hospitals must do their part to make sure product goes where it's needed now rather than being stored where it is not currently needed."
 

Thorn

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Oct 25, 2017
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America getting a wake up call over how much of a joke of a first world country it's always been.
 

Nude_Tayne

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America getting a wake up call over how much of a joke of a first world country it's always been.
A lot of us already knew. America has been bled dry by budget-slashing deficit hawk Ayn Randian jackoffs for decades, and now our chickens are coming home to roost. The question is how many of the brainwashed cult members (AKA Republican voters) will wake up in the aftermath of this catastrophe.
 

LQX

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Oct 25, 2017
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My issue is how the fuck we do not have the infrastructure to produce these things. Nearly everything has been outsourced to the point we cant even mass produce face masks.
 

spookyduzt

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Oct 25, 2017
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"It's just too expensive."

Meanwhile...

US Armed Forces 2019 Budget: $693 billion
 

Stinkles

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Oct 25, 2017
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Also worth remembering that our entirely private healthcare is designed to be as efficient as possible (as in cost to provider, not efficiency for consumers) and that means it literally runs on as few beds, ventilators, surgeons, etc, as possible in order to maximize profit. It is designed the opposite way you'd design for mass casualty events.
 

Servbot24

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Oct 25, 2017
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America getting a wake up call over how much of a joke of a first world country it's always been.
We're getting the wake up call but I promise that we won't listen. As soon as Republicans get their stimulus checks they'll go right back to labeling anything good as "socialism".
 

Arrakis

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Oct 30, 2017
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Ford class aircraft carrier costs 13 billion and counting , still a few years off from active service , costs $400,000 to flush the sewage system since it doesn't work properly...........they might be having buyers remorse , could have used that cash and then some
 

RecRoulette

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A lot of us already knew. America has been bled dry by budget-slashing deficit hawk Ayn Randian jackoffs for decades, and now our chickens are coming home to roost. The question is how many of the brainwashed cult members (AKA Republican voters) will wake up in the aftermath of this catastrophe.

Yeah, it's that dril tweet but with the military instead of candles
 

Commedieu

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Nov 11, 2017
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Well. We all finally get why were a punchline now. Hopefully we can make it to tell our kids about it.
 

Chikor

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Oct 26, 2017
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My issue is how the fuck we do not have the infrastructure to produce these things. Nearly everything has been outsourced to the point we cant even mass produce face masks.
We 100% do, we probably need to convert some factories and stand up new production lines but poorer and less technological advanced countries were able to do that shit.
But we are governed by people who have a religious like belief that the free market is the best way to allocate resources, and they're willing to let a whole lot people die than to admit that it's wrong.

America's auto industry stopped on a dime and started making airplanes in WW2, we can mobilize to make fucking masks, they are made of paper, they're not complicated devices, we just need to act, and do it decisively.
 

TheDoctor

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Oct 27, 2017
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We're seeing the same thing in Europe.

Multiple countries had to rely on "gifts" of face masks from the likes of Alibaba & Huawei. Governments are now scrambling and paying surge prices to get equipment. A face mask that would cost $0.50 a piece imported from China or Turkey, now goes for upto 3-4 times as much.
 
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LogicAirForce

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Oct 25, 2017
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My issue is how the fuck we do not have the infrastructure to produce these things. Nearly everything has been outsourced to the point we cant even mass produce face masks.
We actually do have factories that make masks, as I work at one. Currently only getting 2 days off a month while we work through this crisis. Problem is we need more facilities and more people to operate the machines.
 

LogicAirForce

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Oct 25, 2017
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My issue is how the fuck we do not have the infrastructure to produce these things. Nearly everything has been outsourced to the point we cant even mass produce face masks.
We actually do have factories that make masks, as I work at one. Currently only getting 2 days off a month while we work through this crisis. Problem is we need more facilities and more people to operate the machines.
 

Daria

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Oct 25, 2017
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My issue is how the fuck we do not have the infrastructure to produce these things. Nearly everything has been outsourced to the point we cant even mass produce face masks.

hi, welcome to our lecture on Capitalism and Globalization 101

We actually do have factories that make masks, as I work at one. Currently only getting 2 days off a month while we work through this crisis. Problem is we need more facilities and more people to operate the machines.

and a federal government that doesn't intervene in the shipping process of those masks to state officials and hospitals
 

XMonkey

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Oct 26, 2017
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I mean, I'm sure we definitely languished on keeping it up, but I wouldn't expect it to be the end-all supply in a crisis either.

That's why you have war powers and commandeer factories to make what you need. We could do that here if we had a proper government.
 

Castamere

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Oct 26, 2017
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Can we fire everyone over the age of 30 in government right now, and start anew? Seriously. It'd be better than what we got. Almost guaranteed. There's a lot more than Trump that's accountable for this.