I voted for Bernie in the primaries, Hillary in the general, and at this point i wish i hadn't supported Bernie. He is an awful lot of bluster and that's about it in my opinion.
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NBC News: Inside Bernie-world's war on Beto O'Rourke
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Do you honestly think if someone other than Bernie was the runner up, the Russians wouldn't have tried to drive a wedge between people on the left?
I mean really, at this point you're basically falling for Russian propaganda by promoting this nonsense infighting.
Ah yea, he's just like Chuck Schumer, I remember how Chuck loved the Iran deal and didn't give a fuck about pissing off Bibi
I have a leak straight form the Anti-Beto situation room. Maybe actually listen as to why people have concerns about how hard Beto is being pushed, and by some of the worst influencets inside the democratic party at that, instead of just screaming "BERNIE! RUSSIA!"
Black Lives Matter as well. Anyone going to call that movement a bunch of Russian stooges as well?
I'd say that having a similar score doesn't mean they're exactly the same on every issue, but I'm pretty sure you already know that and are just making shitty posts because it's easier than engaging with actual data
The actual data is Obama's policy and executive orders he signed.
Your definition of a centrist is not consistent to what is considered as progressive/left in the US. To the majority of Americans, Obama was very liberal. If Beto is considered to be like Obama, then that's as progressive as it can be for someone to actually run for presidency.
Obama ran pretty progressive and got a few progressive policies through, but he also couldn't lived up most of them and also supported shit like bank bailouts and drone strikes. I give his campaigning an "A" and his actual record a "C" when it comes to progressivism.
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/gvvpz9/judging-obamas-progressive-flawed-conflicting-legacy
This article says it best:
"With Trump taking office, there's an impulse for liberals to look back at Obama through rose-tinted glasses."
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/gvvpz9/judging-obamas-progressive-flawed-conflicting-legacy
This article says it best:
"With Trump taking office, there's an impulse for liberals to look back at Obama through rose-tinted glasses."
Bank Bailouts prevented a depression. Being angry at those is like being angry at a doctor who cuts off a limb rather than letting the whole patient die.
This is why it's really hard to have these conversations. A socialist and a liberal will have different political compasses. There's really no vialable left wing politics in this country. Bernie is the closest person to that.
It makes no sense to talk about it from the socialist perspective when talking about a national Dem primary. Because there is no socialist wing of the Democratic primary base. Democratic voters see Obama as progressive and think he did a great job.
Did he do anything to reform the system that caused the collapse in the first place? Did he try to reinstate Glass-Steagall?
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Someone reset Cheebot - he's repeating his posts again.
Name one thing that is inaccurate about what I said. There is no socialist wing of the Dem party with any voting power. It is a waste of everyone's time to even entertain that perspective for a primary where they have no meaningful involvement.
Yes, the CPFB exists. Financial regulations were implemented. Dodd-Frank says hi. Glass-Steagal did not lead to the financial crisis, which is why it wasn't re-implemented. This is not a controversial opinion among experts, it's only controversial among people who only look at the timing and assume there's a correlation. The shadow economy/insurance collapse had very little to do with a lack of a wall between regular and investment banking.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodd–Frank_Wall_Street_Reform_and_Consumer_Protection_Act
Glass-Steagall being chipped away for years being the cause of the crash is kinda a meme
You should entertain that perspective if you want to change the party
When people criticize bank bailouts (edit: from the left), they're usually not arguing that Obama should have just done nothing -- they're arguing we should have done something closer to what Iceland did (basically, bail out the home owners instead of the banks -- literally jail the bankers that got us into this mess).
Though, you could argue Obama couldn't do what Iceland did because congress wouldn't have supported him -- but that still puts dems at the time in a not great light.
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Ah yes, the "Bernie Sanders world"
Criticism of Beto is definitely only from people who "follow" Sanders. That dastardly socialist is brainwashing his cult with smears like... (checks notes) Talking about Beto's voting history?
Criticism of Beto is definitely only from people who "follow" Sanders. That dastardly socialist is brainwashing his cult with smears like... (checks notes) Talking about Beto's voting history?
I have little choice when people keep repeating over and over that Obama and Beto are centrists when they are absolutely not considered centrist by the current Democrat primary voter political perspective.
That's what those numbers are based on! That's what they mean!
Your argument is literally "My interpretation of Obama is that he isn't a moderate or a centrist, and therefore he isn't." Do better.
He's being pushed because he is charismatic and can inject meaning and purpose into a well-run campaign. That's how you win elections. I mean, its not that difficult to figure out. Democrats want to win.
The concerns so far have have basically been click-bait sensationalist bullshit.
"Beto is owned by big oil!!" (meaning - he's corrupt)
- Except that the donations were done by a few individual execs and a bunch of people who worked for oil companies
"Beto frequently votes for Republican Legislation!!" (meaning - he's basically a republican)
- Yea, 1% more than the average democrat...
Now, if those were re-framed around actual issues that you disagree with and not sensationalist clickbait bullshit to get your emotions and righteous anger all hot and heavy, then that would be a different story. There would likely be a lot less push-back.
A thread discussing Beto's votes for big oil in the house would likely go differently because we might then actually have a discussion on the purpose of a representative - how to balance the desires of the people you serve and your actual views. But that isn't as sexy or emotion-driven.
There is always the choice to stop posting. It's the holiday season!
We literally had someone yesterday arguing that the US needed a depression as a sort of cleansing fire. You are projecting your own views onto people who do not share them. The people REALLY MAD about TARP/bailouts are not mad about the procedures not being progressive enough.
Well his most loyalists that refused to vote for hillary is why we have Trump so why not also go after Beto?
Cheebo just said "There is no socialist wing of the Dem party with any voting power", so that can't be true.
Which one of you is right?
If you believe all of Bernie's 2016 supporters were Socialists you have a perspective that is completely untethered from reality.
it's weirdly ironic that the republicans have the nazis, yet we have the stab in the back myth
is this what compromise feels like
I voted for Bernie in the primary and voted for Clinton in the Presidential election. I don't think this is as big of a thing as people believe.
Wrong. I don't know how many times this has been debunked. Data shows Bernie primary voters voted for Clinton in much greater proportions than you would expect from historical results (I.e. Clinton -> Obama voters etc)
So his "most loyalists" that are numerous enough to have cost Hillary the election are actually not even socialists but further towards the centre? Going to need some help with this one, guys.
And people who say this will be the first ones to cry foul when Trump wins again and you're left wondering, again, "how did that happen!?"
Please. I know others have brought this up. But please don't listen to buzz words and actually look at the great recession and banks that were largely affected. Then realize that the G-S legislation would not have done anything because it wouldn't have applied to many of those banks.
If we have that much power, you'd think they'd try to appease us
I don't think it was the left who were left wondering how Trump got elected last time. They knew exactly how it happened, and it was very much related to the criticisms they were making during the primaries not being taken seriously.
Then i wasnt referring to you.. 10% of Bernie supporters voted for TruMp and another 7% Jill Stein. Trump won by a combined 80k votes across 3 states. Those 17% of Bernie supporters are who we have to thank.
The argument that racist white Obama->Trump voters in the midwest were really responding to economics is absolute nonsense. https://www.voterstudygroup.org/publications/2016-elections/political-divisions-in-2016-and-beyond
See: Inequality vs well, literally everything else. They want their Medicare, but they don't want nonwhite people to have it.
This narrative is bullshit.
The bernie bro shit was online noise, it's the by product of shit like GAF and ERA and constantly seeing the loudest and most obnoxious seek attention.
There just as many, if not more, Clinton supporters who defected when Obama won the primary.
And you know that's a normal thing I'm every election. It can't be helped.
