No, I'm glad that Biden will not interfere with State and Federal DOJ departments.
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NBC News: Biden hopes to avoid divisive investigations of Trump, "just wants to move on" and prefers unity; Plans to not interfere with the DOJ
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No, I'm glad that Biden will not interfere with State and Federal DOJ departments.
Sound logic which I wholeheartedly agree with for the most part but POTUS isn't any job. The office will be protected. I don't expect prosecution at the federal level. Letitia James will have to do the heavy lifting.
Biden is playing politics. His words are being carefully chosen right now. I'm not stating he has ulterior motives, just that he's dancing in a mine field.
I know we all want to see these ghouls get what they deserve. The media wants to create division, spectacle makes them money.
I know we all want to see these ghouls get what they deserve. The media wants to create division, spectacle makes them money.
Bingo. Plus "don't interfere with DOJ" aka "do what needs to be done". Plus getting this out now saves his face
It feels distinctly like the "not interfere with the DOJ" is being buried in favour of an attention grabbing headlining. For starters, that's what he should be doing, but also, that means if the DOJ pursues an investigation of crimes Trump committed, Biden is stating he will let that go on unimpeded.
To be clear, I'm also of the mind that the most dangerous thing Biden could do would be to advise his Justice Department and State AGs to cease all investigations into Trump and his activities prior to and during his presidency. Humoring Trump's rhetoric and legitimizing his "legacy" in the eyes of the GOP base as the Republican Party has thus become more and more the party of Trump will be acting much like the Weimar Republic humoring Hitler and his enablers. He must not be allowed to have his crimes be ignored for the sake of "healing" the country when he's still going to act as the cult leader he's become and attempt to undermine the legitimacy of Biden's presidency which an non-insignificant portion of Republicans already don't buy. He needs to be continually exposed as the fraud and grifter that he is, up to and including imprisonment.
This is good. Biden needs to focus on actually getting shit done, let the DOJ and local offices deal with Trump, which we already know is happening in NY.
Some of you are acting like he's actively stopping the DOJ from getting shit done.
Some of you are acting like he's actively stopping the DOJ from getting shit done.
This is a good thing.
The president shouldn't be using the DoJ as a bludgeon.
Also, there's seemingly enough bread crumbs lying around for new DoJ leadership to hit the ground running without explicit direction.
The president shouldn't be using the DoJ as a bludgeon.
Also, there's seemingly enough bread crumbs lying around for new DoJ leadership to hit the ground running without explicit direction.
It's fine, as long as he doesn't interfere with the DOJ or State investigations.
Something has to happen though, it has been way too eggregious and beyond the pale.
And I'm gonna go ahead and say, that if for the sake of "unity and moving on" he was to extend a pardon ala Gerald Ford, the Dem party -as we know it- would be finished.
Something has to happen though, it has been way too eggregious and beyond the pale.
And I'm gonna go ahead and say, that if for the sake of "unity and moving on" he was to extend a pardon ala Gerald Ford, the Dem party -as we know it- would be finished.
2020: "This is terrible, the president should not be ordering the Justice Department to investigate his political enemies!"
2021: "This is terrible, the president should be ordering the Justice Department to investigate his political enemies!"
In all seriousness though, the norm before Trump was that the DOJ should not simply serve as a legal goon squad to serve the president's whims, and if this is Biden signaling this I am all for it. If Biden actively discourages investigations when the DOJ has credible evidence and motive, then raise holy hell.
2021: "This is terrible, the president should be ordering the Justice Department to investigate his political enemies!"
In all seriousness though, the norm before Trump was that the DOJ should not simply serve as a legal goon squad to serve the president's whims, and if this is Biden signaling this I am all for it. If Biden actively discourages investigations when the DOJ has credible evidence and motive, then raise holy hell.
How exactly would that be worse than a world where Biden goes hard after Trump? It's not like filing charges against him will just make his supporters shut up, it would probably make them angrier and result in a bigger backlash. Doing that would only make it harder to get any kind of legislation through and result in even more obstruction and deterioration. What would really be gained from Biden making prosecuting Trump a priority for his presidency?
That's not really what he said. He just said he would not like to be directly involved.
Honestly this seems like a smart move. He gets to keep his hands clean, but the DoJ can do what it needs to, which probably won't be much, but the NY can throw the book at Trump and get the job done anyway. Biden gets to look clean, Trump still gets fucked in the end.
Biden is not about to pardon Trump for shit.
Even if Trump pardons himself and his cronies, it protects them from federal prosecution, not individual states.
Even if Trump pardons himself and his cronies, it protects them from federal prosecution, not individual states.
Yep. Biden is saying and doing the right things in public about this. The focus should be on us and not that pus-bucket Trump. I'm sure tons of investigations will happen behind the scenes.
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Absolutely. I see this as Biden saying "I'm not going to be Gerald Ford".
Biden should focus on the country, not on Trump. Trump never focused on the country. Only himself and his goon family. New York should already be in the planning stages for Trumps arrest after he leaves office and nobody can help him there.
there's gonna be no prosecution. doj independence is not gonna save accountibility. no one wants to set a precedent of prosecuting outgoing administrations.
I mean, he's basically literally said this before.
It checks out with his previous statements. The short version is that he himself won't go after Trump or his administration. He won't request investigations. He wants unity and it'll only anger Republicans if he calls for investigations.
That being said, he isn't stopping the DOJ and states from ripping him to shreds if they want. He won't pardon Trump or his associates. As long as he explicitly doesn't ask for them to not investigate, then I don't really see a problem.
What's going to be interesting is seeing how Trump supporters jump through hoops to blame Biden for whatever the states or DOJ do. You know they're going to try and say Biden told them to go after Trump.
It checks out with his previous statements. The short version is that he himself won't go after Trump or his administration. He won't request investigations. He wants unity and it'll only anger Republicans if he calls for investigations.
That being said, he isn't stopping the DOJ and states from ripping him to shreds if they want. He won't pardon Trump or his associates. As long as he explicitly doesn't ask for them to not investigate, then I don't really see a problem.
What's going to be interesting is seeing how Trump supporters jump through hoops to blame Biden for whatever the states or DOJ do. You know they're going to try and say Biden told them to go after Trump.
Trump will get his comeuppance. We need to put him in the rear view mirror and move on as a country.
Here's an article about why it's a bad idea:
A lot of whining and doom saying while simultaneously missing the point as hard as can be in here.
Biden can say this. He's going to be the President not the Attorney General. He also said he wasn't going to interfere with his DOJ. So if investigations happen this frees him to shrug his shoulders and go "Not my table."
Which is exactly what you want out of President.
Also if you want to worry about nothing being investigated focus on how we have to win both of the GA runoffs and tie the Senate for that to be a possibility. Because if Republicans keep control of the Senate there is no way we're going to get an AG that would even consider investigating any part of the previous administration.
Biden can say this. He's going to be the President not the Attorney General. He also said he wasn't going to interfere with his DOJ. So if investigations happen this frees him to shrug his shoulders and go "Not my table."
Which is exactly what you want out of President.
Also if you want to worry about nothing being investigated focus on how we have to win both of the GA runoffs and tie the Senate for that to be a possibility. Because if Republicans keep control of the Senate there is no way we're going to get an AG that would even consider investigating any part of the previous administration.
Yeah, he's just saying he won't interfere personally.
If states and other agencies drag him, I see him basically ignoring it and focusing on other things.
If states and other agencies drag him, I see him basically ignoring it and focusing on other things.
Yeahh....
Like I've been saying, the Feds aren't going to do shit against Trump. New York will also do nothing, most likely. At worst, he'll get a slap on the wrist with some mild fines from the state. Trump is never going to jail and will never face any real, significant consequences for any of his bullshit. He'll get to die a wealthy, free man.
I really, really hope I end up eating crow on this, but absolutely nothing in this country's history allows me to believe that Trump will face any kind of justice.
Like I've been saying, the Feds aren't going to do shit against Trump. New York will also do nothing, most likely. At worst, he'll get a slap on the wrist with some mild fines from the state. Trump is never going to jail and will never face any real, significant consequences for any of his bullshit. He'll get to die a wealthy, free man.
I really, really hope I end up eating crow on this, but absolutely nothing in this country's history allows me to believe that Trump will face any kind of justice.
I don't understand how people are getting "won't interfere", with nothing will happen to Trump. The DOJ and states will handle things.
Biden should focus on the economy, lowering student loans, COVID-19, poor people and healthcare first and foremost. His presidency shouldn't be about Trump.
Hopefully this is just for good PR and he secretly gave the signal earlier to his DOJ earlier to get the job done.
Yup.
Plus Biden is probably going to CTRL+Z all of Trump's executive orders at lightspeed anyway, so he's going to be doing his part to hurt Trump.
I'm pretty sure Biden already said this months ago that's hes not going to be involved at all in any legal action against wheter against Trump or not. The only way he would get involved if Trump doesn't physically leave the white house
Also don't act shock if nothing happens to Trump besides a slap on the wrist.
Also don't act shock if nothing happens to Trump besides a slap on the wrist.
lmao, I wonder how quick into a Biden admin we get this article. Took Bams about 3 months after inauguration.
Aide: Obama Won't Prosecute Bush Officials
Masterminds, Not Just Underlings, Will Be Immune From Justice For Illegal Torture Policies
www.cbsnews.com
Going to be a fun couple years.