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Biggest 1st round Fraud

  • The Bulls

    Votes: 24 3.8%
  • KD and Kyrie

    Votes: 434 69.2%
  • Trae Young

    Votes: 58 9.3%
  • Gobert and Mitchell

    Votes: 46 7.3%
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    Votes: 16 2.6%
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    Votes: 49 7.8%

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Ra

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Wiggins getting built up to be torn down when he gets a max deal and goes somewhere to again be a mediocre #1 or #2 option.
 

nilbog

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Oct 25, 2017
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The Mavs biggest problem is still their defense. They don't really have any rim presence so the Warriors are freely able to just get into the paint and to the basket.

At the end of the game they decided to start doubling Curry immediately and that's just death. Giving the Warriors a 4 on 3 every time is pretty much just giving up.

Both offenses can score on each other in the blink of an eye but the Warriors defense is more reliable to get timely stops.
 
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NinjaScooter

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Oct 25, 2017
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That's factually incorrect though, Luka shot 13 times in the paint and drew 17 FTs

Thats why I mentioned Luka, as he, Dinwiddie and Brunson are the guys on the team that have the ability to attack off the dribble, and when the shots weren't falling they should have leaned harder on that, Dinwiddie and Brunson in particular. Brunson seemingly got in the paint at will and was almost never looking to take a shot. Dinwiddie only took 3 two point shots. YOu're right though Luka didn't and doesn't really have that problem but just from a team standpoint the Mavs did a poor job adjusting to the threes not falling.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Thats why I mentioned Luka, as he, Dinwiddie and Brunson are the guys on the team that have the ability to attack off the dribble, and when the shots weren't falling they should have leaned harder on that, Dinwiddie and Brunson in particular. Brunson seemingly got in the paint at will and was almost never looking to take a shot. Dinwiddie only took 3 two point shots.
Iono what to tell you man, the warriors adjusted after Spence went on that run after hitting 2-3 layups in a row, when Dray is collapsing you're gonna wanna kick it out, Jalen and Spence ain't Lebron
 

Mory Dunz

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's always about matchups.
Cause I felt dang crazy since people were saying MAVs would win. I'm like where

Size and rebounding, a superstar Center, crazy athlecism, people who 1v1 guard curry,
are ways to hurt GS

which does DAL do
 

Serene

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Oct 25, 2017
52,538
Why on earth would you give a max to Ayton when you see Looney fucking tear them apart and dude is making 6 million a year?

you can never assume a baseline logical progression from NBA front offices

I actually agree with Jarmel , Ayton coulda gotten the real 5 yr max but now the best he prob gets is the 4 yr offer sheet

tbh I don't think the 5yr was ever on the table due to Sarver just being who he is (maybe if they won the title)
 

Empty Your Head

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As mentioned earlier, didn't catch the game. Saw the box score and read a bit about how the game went.

Avatar is putting in work for Wiggins.
 

Trey

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Oct 25, 2017
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It's always about matchups.
Cause I felt dang crazy since people were saying MAVs would win. I'm like where

Size and rebounding, a superstar Center, crazy athlecism, people who 1v1 guard curry,
are ways to hurt GS

which does DAL do

The logic was Luka was gonna go crazy on GS, and he kinda is even though a good amount of his stats are catch-up chucking and garbage time. Mavs are shooting like ass, they probably win at least one game if they shot a little better
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Why on earth would you give a max to Ayton when you see Looney fucking tear them apart and dude is making 6 million a year?

He is absurdly coordinated and has unreal touch and is extremely athletic and averages 17/10 with good defense and efficiency despite his limitations.

If he gets more iso moves, he can be a 25 PPG guy and that's an easy gamble to take on a guy who is 23. It probably won't turn out, but it's worth trying.

Miles Bridges is expected to get 5/170 despite... not being super good and having almost no upside left.
 

Jarmel

The Jackrabbit Always Wins
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Oct 25, 2017
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He is absurdly coordinated and has unreal touch and is extremely athletic and averages 17/10 with good defense and efficiency despite his limitations.

If he gets more iso moves, he can be a 25 PPG guy and that's an easy gamble to take on a guy who is 23. It probably won't turn out, but it's worth trying.

Miles Bridges is expected to get 5/170 despite... not being super good and having almost no upside left.
You can have 2 maybe 3 max contracts at the same time right? Do you think he's the 2nd or even the 3rd best player on a championship level team?
 

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Suns losing in a blowout game 7 gets worse every minute. Curry >>>>>>>>>>>> CP3
That loser doesn't deserve to be in anyone's top 10 for PGs
 
Oct 26, 2017
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You can have 2 maybe 3 max contracts at the same time right? Do you think he's the 2nd or even the 3rd best player on a championship level team?

Do you think Tyler Herro or Miles Bridges are because they're getting max deals, lol.

The 2nd best guy on the Warriors, who are likely to win the title, is Draymond Green who is like the 15th to 30th best player in the NBA so... yeah, there the potential for Ayton to reach that level or above.

He needs a lot more iso moves, but there's definitely a chance there.
 

Jarmel

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Oct 25, 2017
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Do you think Tyler Herro or Miles Bridges are because they're getting max deals, lol.

The 2nd best guy on the Warriors, who are likely to win the title, is Draymond Green who is like the 15th to 30th best player in the NBA so... yeah, there the potential for Ayton to reach that level or above.

He needs a lot more iso moves, but there's definitely a chance there.
Offering a max to a potential project is kinda risky. The other thing is looking at the market, who needs an offensive center? Mavs would do better going for Gobert. Almost all the other championship level teams have good to great centers.
 

Nola

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Oct 29, 2017
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He is absurdly coordinated and has unreal touch and is extremely athletic and averages 17/10 with good defense and efficiency despite his limitations.

If he gets more iso moves, he can be a 25 PPG guy and that's an easy gamble to take on a guy who is 23. It probably won't turn out, but it's worth trying.

Miles Bridges is expected to get 5/170 despite... not being super good and having almost no upside left.
I'm sorry, but there is no world where Ayton becomes top 10 in scoring, which is what you are suggesting here as a 25ppg player. That's Jokic/Embiid territory and he's not anywhere close to that level of offensive talent, and frankly, hasn't shown the drive to even want to get there.

He's a nice player to have, but the team that maxes him is going to regret it very quickly.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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De'Aaron Fox just got a max despite being a net negative player whose only notable thing this season was committing financial fraud to steal $1.5m.

There's very little downside to rebuilding teams giving out big money to project players. If it doesn't work out... Oh no, we're still tanking... Like we were before...
 

Mory Dunz

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Oct 25, 2017
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Thats why I mentioned Luka, as he, Dinwiddie and Brunson are the guys on the team that have the ability to attack off the dribble, and when the shots weren't falling they should have leaned harder on that, Dinwiddie and Brunson in particular. Brunson seemingly got in the paint at will and was almost never looking to take a shot. Dinwiddie only took 3 two point shots. YOu're right though Luka didn't and doesn't really have that problem but just from a team standpoint the Mavs did a poor job adjusting to the threes not falling.
Brunson can get there
but he's still 6 feet tall. That's where the defense locks in
He has amazing footwork, can draw fouls, pivot and do up and under, and can pull midrange

but since game 1 Looney and others have just been standing in the paint and not biting on him like other guys. So if he's not getting the foul call or scoring it's not effective. They've been staying down on Luka and Brunson well. At least he's been drilling 3s the last few games.
Klay bit once today on the up and under and brunson got him easy. And he got moody too, just by overpowering iirc.
but they played great defense once you learn not to overact to brunson footwork


Dinwiddie has a good game every once in a while, but he's just not good enough imo
Dinwiddie iso on Looney, Steph, Klay, Porter, anyone not named Poole is inefficient offense, they'll take that. As shown in game 1.
 

Trey

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Oct 25, 2017
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Wiggins had mans in federal prison for most of the game

Funny enough luka woke up too little too late after he got banged on
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Wiggins not trying even a little bit with Minnesota has to be infuriating for Wolves fans, lol.

Just never tried once on defense until he got to San Fran, just the worst intangibles, lol.
 
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