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It's not the night to shit on Steph at all. My argument has always been he has great teams around him. Essentially the 2nd greatest shooter of all time and one of the most unique big men ever. A DPOY as well as someone who can run a fast break and read and destroy 4 on 3's better than any player maybe ever.
But he was key tonight and obviously throughout this series and the playoffs. Even taking away the cultural/way the game is played part of his legacy has a great case for top 10. The FMVP was always a stupid thing and more a coronation for Dre and how underappreciated he was
It is okay to admit that the Celtics defense buckled at times to Steph Curry and allowed the Warriors to win. They are still an elite defense. It's okay that Steph battled against that defense and beat them. This was not all on Celtics turnovers, but if that is what you need to convince yourself that the Celtics would have won the chip "if only they didn't turn the ball over", that's fine.
Wanted to screen cap all the Media articles and shows about
"Who's the best player remaining in the playoffs"
between Butler, Tatum, Doncic and Curry
cause pretty much no one picked curry.
Doncic at least had an argument if not for some issues, but butler and tatum had me like wtf really
bonus for fun I just saw
🤣🤣🤣 what is this
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oh dang it went on. KD talking about being a leader with a rando
"Who's the best player remaining in the playoffs"
between Butler, Tatum, Doncic and Curry
cause pretty much no one picked curry.
Doncic at least had an argument if not for some issues, but butler and tatum had me like wtf really
bonus for fun I just saw
🤣🤣🤣 what is this
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oh dang it went on. KD talking about being a leader with a rando
It's hard to put out Wilt in top 10 given that his individual accolades and stats are so stacked. I agree that Curry right now is above Kobe, but Kobe isn't top 10 though.
He was asked numerous times. The Warriors would have gave up a late pick for Bronny. But Lebron would get skewered in the media now.
Kobe is top 5. He's above Steph and Lebron. I currently have Steph at 8. Lebron at 7, but he will be 6 next year. Lebron passes Kobe for me ultimately. Steph gets one more title, both end up top 5.
Remember when you said the Lakers was knocking the warriors out of the playoffs? Lol!!! Just messing with you.
It's hard to put Wilt out of the top 10 in theory. But when you actually look at the players in the top 10 without a historic-bias lense, you get:
MJ, Lebron, Kareem, Shaq, Duncan, Magic, Curry, Bird, Russel. I think they are all undeniable and Curry with this chip cemented himself in that top tier. That is 9. So then you have 1 spot for Kobe, Hakeem, Wilt, etc.
History will look back more favorably on Curry than even these immediate reactions
LeBron hasn't tweeted anything tonight
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He cursed the Celtics by hoping they'd stop Steph from matching him in rings
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He cursed the Celtics by hoping they'd stop Steph from matching him in rings
Holy shit I did not Klay held grudges, this is hilarious
Klay talks about a tweet made by JJJ after almost 3 months
Will 538 ever build an NBA playoff predictions model that incorporates injury projections and penalizes teams with bad shooters playing heavy minutes.
The 538 model consistently projecting Mike Conley to play well in the postseason is so funny.
No question now, KD was only able to do anything thanks to Steph double teams
klay is one of the most entertaining players in the league
The one thing I did underestimate about the Celtics is that they are extremely young other than Horford and that's really good.
They played injury-devastated teams in the Nets, Bucks, and Heat and... Not getting hurt because you're young is a point in your favor of your team construction.
But they eventually played one retirement home that managed to stay healthy in the Finals.
Lucking into not getting hurt is like... 40-60% of the NBA playoffs so that is very important.
They played injury-devastated teams in the Nets, Bucks, and Heat and... Not getting hurt because you're young is a point in your favor of your team construction.
But they eventually played one retirement home that managed to stay healthy in the Finals.
Lucking into not getting hurt is like... 40-60% of the NBA playoffs so that is very important.
Not surprising if true.
KD still demanding respect even after winning his only 2 rings by joining 73-9 warriors. And can't win again on his currently led team.
Just bus rider insecurities.
How many times are you going to turn a casual "one of the favorites with healthy Klay" into a charged "they were the favorite and we a sure thing so meh at this excitement" so you can grandstand about falsely perceived cynicism?
You're shadowboxing, I didn't say or feel any of that.
538's basketball model is nowhere near as bad as their Lucas Critique failing primary model (which is one of the most embarrassing, 1970s trash things I've ever seen)... But it's extremely bad.
But at least it doesn't fail the Lucas Critique I guess!
But at least it doesn't fail the Lucas Critique I guess!
hm dunno about trusting any cowherd stuff, but just going to kd's twitter and seeing him not understanding anything about winning intangibles is really dang ironic on a night like tonight
the tweets were old, i just saw them now.
speaking of kd, feels timely 🤣🤣🤣
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Nah, your original post of "a favorite the moment Klay came back healthy" just simply isn't true and downplays a ton of the Warriors success this playoffs, from Poole emerging, to Wiggins playing out of his mind, to Steph stepping up on the biggest stage. The warriors were a great team, but were an absolute huge question mark even when Klay came back. The Suns were the defending Western Conference champions and the more 'reliable' team at the time, even when Klay came back from injury. The warriors were downplayed at every turn in the playoffs (as I noted earlier in the playoff thread, Zach Lowe , probably the best basketball analyst around, picked the Mavs to beat the Warriors). The warriors were one of the better teams in the league this year, but it is laughable to call them one of the favorites when Klay came back
Yeah although Poole and Wiggins showed promise during the season, they really stepped it up this playoff run. And Looney came up big time also. I doubt this happens without them.
Denver, Memphis, Dallas and Boston. Didn't sweep any of them and many thought each of these teams would beat the Dubs. I myself didn't see them getting past Memphis. Once that happened, I figured it would be a longshot beating Boston but still hoped they could. Still can't believe this actually happened lol.
PURE SATISFACTION. Man, what an amazing payoff. Watched the Warriors all season this year (even some awful games in february and march), and to see them with the trophy now is amazing. I swear they didn't look like a winning team for months, it was rough. They got their shit together just in time for the playoffs. As a Curry fan, I can rest easy now too. This was an incredible Finals performance. Anything else after this is just extra gravy.
The win tonight was great, with everyone except Klay playing their role to perfection. They really forged another great full team and bench this playoffs run man. They have a key 8 man rotation where you can trust every one of those guys with minutes.
As for Boston, I think they played their worst game. A lot of their bad tendencies really showed up tonight. The endless Tatum and Brown turnovers killed them once again. Warriors forced a few of those, but it was really rough. Draymond and Wiggins had their number, my goodness. GPII as well, being incredibly disruptive and playing huge minutes. They never figured it out on the offensive end. Went too hard on hunting Curry, which the Warriors constantly countered or Curry held up well. I think things could have been different if they attacked earlier, made extra passes and got guys like Grant Williams and White hitting open 3s. Their window is still very open though, they went through a gauntlet and played tough teams exclusively. Very curious to see what they do next year.
The win tonight was great, with everyone except Klay playing their role to perfection. They really forged another great full team and bench this playoffs run man. They have a key 8 man rotation where you can trust every one of those guys with minutes.
As for Boston, I think they played their worst game. A lot of their bad tendencies really showed up tonight. The endless Tatum and Brown turnovers killed them once again. Warriors forced a few of those, but it was really rough. Draymond and Wiggins had their number, my goodness. GPII as well, being incredibly disruptive and playing huge minutes. They never figured it out on the offensive end. Went too hard on hunting Curry, which the Warriors constantly countered or Curry held up well. I think things could have been different if they attacked earlier, made extra passes and got guys like Grant Williams and White hitting open 3s. Their window is still very open though, they went through a gauntlet and played tough teams exclusively. Very curious to see what they do next year.
If you're going to play off "they were a favorite" meaning they were one of the top 5-6 teams in the league...I guess, sure? FOH
Oh I'm fine. I called this the other day lol
The Suns were the big favorite but they relied way too much on CP3 who completely fell apart due to age.
The Suns had no other NBA players on the roster who could dribble and that ended up being the end.
The Bucks were 2nd most likely but they had two NBA caliber perimeter players (Jrue and Middleton) and one of those guys got injured.
In the end, both teams were ultra exposed to injury due to how old and how shallow they were.
The Warriors were also heavily exposed to injury due to the age of Curry and Green and the lack of options behind those guys, but Curry and Green managed to mostly not fall apart.
Eventually some team needs to win and one team is bound to actually stay healthy.
The Suns had no other NBA players on the roster who could dribble and that ended up being the end.
The Bucks were 2nd most likely but they had two NBA caliber perimeter players (Jrue and Middleton) and one of those guys got injured.
In the end, both teams were ultra exposed to injury due to how old and how shallow they were.
The Warriors were also heavily exposed to injury due to the age of Curry and Green and the lack of options behind those guys, but Curry and Green managed to mostly not fall apart.
Eventually some team needs to win and one team is bound to actually stay healthy.
I was just thinking about my top 10 Goat list. I now have Curry tied with Shaq at 8. Wilt is out and Bird has dropped a spot. I'm reconsidering Lebron's spot too. I ranked him at 7. But breaking Kareem's scoring record and the 2016 win now have to be held in really high regard.
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