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NBA 2K21: Next-Gen Gameplay + Developer Commentary

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ShadowGP said:
Is it only me that i see it?

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No, honestly the better and more realistic are the graphics the more these things stand out because the more they break the ilusion of realism. At least for me, and is not a dig to devs at all, is just a consequence of at some point it takes too much effort to perfectly replicate 'reality'.
 
AyaisMUsikWhore

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Patitoloco said:
This has exactly 0 to do with console power.
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Then what is the reason lol? This has been stuck in 2k since like 13....And I thought the move to current gun would of fixed that and it didn't lol

..so if its not the console power that limits them, what is? Is it their engine? Or maybe the way the game is designed?

Edit: Just for misunderstanding sake.... I am NOT saying lazy devs. I am architecturally asking why this is happening.
 
Patitoloco

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AyaisMUsikWhore said:
Then what is the reason lol? This has been stuck in 2k since like 13....And I thought the move to current gun would of fixed that and it didn't lol

..so if its not the console power that limits them, what is? Is it their engine? Or maybe the way the game is designed?
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It's just how the engine queues up animations, that's it. You can have a NASA ultra computer, it will do the same.

And it's hardly just NBA, this is something I've seen in an infinite number of videogames since I was 5. It can happen, where two characters end their routines and by random chance they start the same animation because maybe they have a pool of 30 to start from.
 
DoubleTake

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Looks nice visually but not that huge of a jump in terms of animations.

Also, why even have the tucking in jersey animation if you know your models don't support that? Lol
 
KingSnake

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It looks polished but there's like 0 defence in this video, which makes me think that it will be the same shitty defensive gameplay as in the current gen.
 
Klokwerk

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Looks great. Lighting is impressive. Already bought the Mamba current gen edition so I'm set for day 1.
 
JigglesBunny

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Still some of the most atrocious animations. All of the pre-game stuff animated terribly, there's like no blending going on at all.
 
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I've actually been playing All-Time team exhibitions semi-regularly since 2K20 was on PS+. Most 2K I've played since early/mid-360 generation. This is shaping up to be a launch purchase, for sure.
 
Net_Wrecker

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AyaisMUsikWhore said:
Then what is the reason lol? This has been stuck in 2k since like 13....And I thought the move to current gun would of fixed that and it didn't lol

..so if its not the console power that limits them, what is? Is it their engine? Or maybe the way the game is designed?

Edit: Just for misunderstanding sake.... I am NOT saying lazy devs. I am architecturally asking why this is happening.
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Until games get to the point where everything is dynamically driven by an infinitely fluid and complex procedural animation/rigging/physics/AI system, there will be hitching, there will be animation freak outs, there will be a limit to the amount of moves and loops, and there will be duplicate loops in the scene. On top of that these sports games are made on a super tight timetable, so janky stuff will slip through. Just compare the development cycles of the games in the top tier of animation to this one. Now look at how many individual models are on screen in 2K. It's an already impossible task made even more difficult by how good the modeling and lighting has gotten.
 
KingSnake

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The animations are what make or break NBA 2k gameplay and this doesn't look good from this point of view, it will probably have the same gameplay issues as current gen. Put at least it's shinny.
 
Mathieran

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If menus and load times are quick and slick I might get back into sports games this gen. The one time I played an nhl game it felt like getting into a game was too much damn work.
 
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AyaisMUsikWhore said:
Then what is the reason lol? This has been stuck in 2k since like 13....And I thought the move to current gun would of fixed that and it didn't lol

..so if its not the console power that limits them, what is? Is it their engine? Or maybe the way the game is designed?

Edit: Just for misunderstanding sake.... I am NOT saying lazy devs. I am architecturally asking why this is happening.
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They just haven't taken the time to fine-tune this detail, to make sure situations don't occur where multiple players are in the very same animation loop. As you know, these are leftover warts from several 2Ks ago.

2K Devs are spread thin between all the different modes though. I imagine most of the work goes into the multiplayer these days.
 
Patitoloco

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jett said:
What's with this awful variable framerate
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That has been in 2K and pretty much all sports games for a while now.

60fps during gameplay, 30fps during closeups or replays (+ menus in FIFA, god knows why the fuck).

I thought we would have gotten rid of it by now, but seems like not yet!
 
Smokey

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The crowd is still lifeless. This has been a problem with 2k for a while, but it sticks out that much more with the increase in fidelity in other areas. Also the 30fps during replays is jarring and terrible.
 
Filth_Flannigan

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KingSnake said:
It looks polished but there's like 0 defence in this video, which makes me think that it will be the same shitty defensive gameplay as in the current gen.
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Did you notice they were playing 2 player? They were obviously not playing defense so the other person could get up some shots. If they were playing the AI/Computer, then yes, I would be more concerned.
 
Messofanego

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PS5 footage. It shows off the loading times as they go into a game. It takes two seconds to load it.
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For a next gen game, this looks rough. Why are Allie's eyes doing that? So many dead eyes. The character models don't give any next gen push even if they might be pushing more on paper. The low framerate for close-ups are jarring. The animations, the robotic movement, glitches already pointed out in the comments like at 0:40 and 2:50 are immediately noticeable.
 
Jiraiya

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Messofanego said:
For a next gen game, this looks rough. Why are Allie's eyes doing that? So many dead eyes. The character models don't give any next gen push even if they might be pushing more on paper. The low framerate for close-ups are jarring. The animations, the robotic movement, glitches already pointed out in the comments like at 0:40 and 2:50 are immediately noticeable.
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This was a 1080p video with no hdr. And those animations are not even close to robotic.
 
KingSnake

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Filth_Flannigan said:
Did you notice they were playing 2 player? They were obviously not playing defense so the other person could get up some shots. If they were playing the AI/Computer, then yes, I would be more concerned.
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That was my point, this is not showing an usual game between two players that would play normally, like trying to defend each other's shots. It's a staged demonstration.

Making unchallenged shots looks good in current gen too, it's when the defence is involved that the gameplay gets really bad.
 
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Relaxed Muscle said:
No, honestly the better and more realistic are the graphics the more these things stand out because the more they break the ilusion of realism. At least for me, and is not a dig to devs at all, is just a consequence of at some point it takes too much effort to perfectly replicate 'reality'.
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Looks like a bug imo. every character, even those in the background are doing the same loop in unision. No way that's intentional.
 
Jiraiya

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Messofanego said:
Don't think HDR or resolution would really change the models or dead eyes and the animations don't look smooth, so this doesn't look very next gen to me.
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What's wrong with the models. Feel like people are being unrealistic in expecting next gen to not have regular ol video game problems.

I can't think of a single game that has to simulate interactivity between models on this level that doesn't have animation jank.
 
Messofanego

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Jiraiya said:
What's wrong with the models. Feel like people are being unrealistic in expecting next gen to not have regular ol video game problems.

I can't think of a single game that has to simulate interactivity between models on this level that doesn't have animation jank.
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Does the game look next gen to you? If so, good for you, let's just agree to disagree on expectations.
 
SDR-UK

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The snap-to animations and blends, or lack thereof, really do stick out in this iteration with the improvement to the models and general lighting.

Animation is something they're truly gonna have to be pushing and looking to improve throughout this generation.
 
StickeeFingaz

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Not really impressed. As soon as Ingram and Jrue were swaying in perfect unison and Zion was "tucking in his jersey" without tucking in his jersey, that's all I needed to know. Another pass on 2K for me, such a shame.
 
Friskykillface

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Thought it looked alright
Instant loading seems like a bait and switch with how they want to get ads into the game but then again the extra $10 might be their way of getting no forced ads

That being said, I'll most likely buy this pre owned since people won't like the shooting mechanics since it's really different than past years

if there's a demo day one then I encourage you to download it and or download the current gen demo now to try
 
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I think this looks great? LOL.

Animation blending can be better and eye anims as well, but I understand why they don't really prioritize the latter. I think a lot of the graphic prowess of these games is lost due to camera angles. The fidelity of those models is incredible.
 
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Messofanego said:
For a next gen game, this looks rough. Why are Allie's eyes doing that? So many dead eyes. The character models don't give any next gen push even if they might be pushing more on paper. The low framerate for close-ups are jarring. The animations, the robotic movement, glitches already pointed out in the comments like at 0:40 and 2:50 are immediately noticeable.
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Yeah, for real. It looks fine I guess...
 
Jiraiya

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ShutterMunster said:
I think this looks great? LOL.

Animation blending can be better and eye anims as well, but I understand why they don't really prioritize the latter. I think a lot of the graphic prowess of these games is lost due to camera angles. The fidelity of those models is incredible.
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I'm lost on that too. What are people playing to say this doesn't look good.
 
Zem

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You can do as much presentation stuff as you want (pre-game) but when the animation is as dodgy as it is here what's the point?
 
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