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Naughty Dog crunch culture examined
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Ok yeah I believe you, but what does that have to do with an article that's talking about devs being pressured and doing it unwillingly?
Great rebuttal. Thanks for not addressing anything I said and pretending this is behavior is ok.
But no insulting people works too.
Hell no. Better planning and scoping and stop promising things your team cannot deliver on time. That is what is needed.
You do realize that video game devs on average are paid less then any other software developer market? And work as many or more hours.
It's perfectly on topic. Other posters have not spoken on the things you mentioned specifically, but have commented on the topic of"crunch".
Why arent you saying this to these other posters?
How is the problem going to be solved though, if there are people willing to crunch?
How is the problem going to be solved if you keep making excuses and rationale for people and companies that do hardcore and longterm crunch?
It won't matter what I say, when companies can get cheaper workers.
Maybe the people not wanting to crunch prefer doing 40hrs a week for $40,000 a year? Maybe companies should do that.
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This is how most game studios are. Blizzard for example is a great name to have on your resume but the work life is atrocious, you're underpaid, overworked, and no one cares because they know you'll stay because Blizzard.
Can very much relate. At some point your concentration just dies. You forget things and listening to people becomes a struggle and you rather not be bothered. This already becomes the case with 50 hour work weeks because you literally have no free time left. So it becomes a tough choice between having no life or sleeping fewer hours. Now i'm imagining what these guys with 50> hours must be going through. Must be downright awful
I have a 50+ hour week every week, but it's because I have a 2+ hour commuter bus ride each way. It does give me time to play games on my Switch, read a book or anything else I can do comfortably on a bus, but I do feel like I have no life during the week. I get home around 7pm and need to be in bed by 9:30pm to be up at 5am.
I get paid well, but there are absolutely times I get really aggravated about it. I was spoiled having a 15 mile drive to work for many years.
Gonna buy it in the second hand games bin at my local store, sry for not expressing myself correctly, not my 1st language.
Will you be offline forever? If not, you'll show up as another +1 in their stats of satisfied players, thus sending the complete opposite message you want them to get. Since they won't know whether you bought new or used, all they'll know is you're playing it and liking it. The correct way to protest is to never ever play it.
I'd say not giving them my money, and giving it to a costumer and a local business instead of them and, btw, telling them and being vocal about it is a good enough protest. For me, at least, i dont pretend to push on others my choices.
I honestly think that he does, yes.
Not that that makes things any better.
I might have a warped sense of this, but making games is weird. It's like a time vaccuum. 8 hours seems like barely enough time to get started on your work day when it comes to gamedev. Making a game feels like more of a lifestyle choice than a dayjob. For me i don't think it'd be possible to do anything good without spending far more time than 8 hours a day. At least during the final months I think a lot of overtime seems kind of inevitable.
Managers that have so little care for their employees physical and mental wellbeing should be held personally criminally accountable imo. At the very least the company.
But yeah it's the US, what you gonna do. If they push through labor reforms they're going to lose a lot of jobs to actually civilized countries, so now both the workers and the game industry is fucked.
But yeah it's the US, what you gonna do. If they push through labor reforms they're going to lose a lot of jobs to actually civilized countries, so now both the workers and the game industry is fucked.
Laws and regulations that protect the well-being of workers. Not sure how it is in the US, but in Sweden we have a "work time law" that workers themselves also are bound by (although collective bargaining agreements can overrule it in certain instances) that for example requires:
- No more than 40 hours/week ordinary work time
- No more than 50 hours/month and 200 hours/year overtime
- At least 11 consecutive hours of rest per 24 hour period
- At least 36 consecutive hours of rest per week
Peer pressure is never that active IME. I've had conversations with people who openly told me they refuse to go home because 'otherwise they'd fall back because they're not as talented as the rest of the team' - these are self-inflicted behaviors for most part, but propagated by the environment.
Oh you sweet summer child...
It's not crunch, they're perfectionists, it's ingrained in their DNA, and it's part of the culture.
So their conract says in big fat bold letters "YOU WILL SUFFER"
"cool I work a ND and make forum posters happy!" *signs*
That "oh you can head home if you want, but I'm gonna stay because I'm really creative and passionate and wanna make sure this turns out really good" is the most toxic bullshit in the work place.