Reminds me the way the political discourse is happening here in Brazil at this very moment, the same crazyness fueled by lies and bigotry.
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Naughty Dog artist responds to accusation that they were forced to watch violent material to simulate the violent gameplay in TLOU 2
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Reminds me the way the political discourse is happening here in Brazil at this very moment, the same crazyness fueled by lies and bigotry.
Druckmann is way too defensive over a lot of this and needs to step back. By replying to all the shit he's signal boosting it, which makes more people comment on it, which he lashes out about. Unsure if they will address the deadnaming anytime soon with the same defensiveness, perhaps has an awareness there that some things should (have been) left in the ideas bin (along with tweets).
Can we please just ignore these people? Judging by the phenomenal sales of this game, they clearly do not fucking matter in any way and are just an annoying tiny minority. Christ..
Also Neil needs to just ignore them. It's the best way to drive them even more mad knowing they truly don't matter
Also Neil needs to just ignore them. It's the best way to drive them even more mad knowing they truly don't matter
Yeah i realize that now, edited already
Dr. Uckmann is not fooling around! who will be the next, Evan Wells? hmmmm
The only thing Jim is concerned about is maintaining that patreon revenue by manipulating gamer outrage. Not "that gamer outrage" but the one where gamers think it's ok to harass developers because they don't think something is worth the asking price... but they want it though.
Its well well beyond that I seen pretty much every single gross thing said to the dev, voice actors and others
It's pretty much everyone on the internet really. The nature of the internet especially nowadays makes it so you have to fact check everything you read. I've had to warn friends and family numerous times when they retweet or repost falsehoods, people just haven't wrapped their head around it all yet. You are right people are quicker and more eager to push things that fit whatever their agenda is, even if said thing is total BS.
yep. it boogles my mind ppl still put him on a pedestal. he's outrage YT lite.
I'm truly disappointed in Jim and how he refuses to call out the bigots and misinformation regarding ND and the leaks about TLoU2. Because if he did care, he'd equally denounce the death threats and review bombing
The hate for this game will make me to buy a second copy just to look at it when I am enjoying the first one.
I think it would. Both got a huge amount of online vitriol and death threats. It's not about "Bbut he liiied! Druckmann didn't! It's totally different!". It's about online rage culture and how both of them are victims of it.
I just don't get it. It's a game... Yes it's violent, it's heavy, it's tough to stomach and it deals with stuff that games often don't touch... but at the end of the day it's media. Engage with it or don't, enjoy it or don't. Criticise it, praise it, do alllll the things that are done every day with any other piece of media. There's no reason why it needed to blow up into all this bullshit.
From an anecdotal perspective. I know multiple makeup artists who for some reason or another, are completely unfazed by the reference they look at while doing some damn convincing work. I, as an artist, do not engage with that sort of thing. Because I am squeamish. Not everyone approaches art the same way. And no one goes into a project like the last of us as some naive newbie completely unaware of what they'd be engaging with.
"Watch the reference, or else"
Seeing some of your posts in threads about the game it seems you have a bone to pick with it and want to protray it as negative as possible for no reason.
There was an interview with Druckmann where he said this:
Some people took that as the team being forced to binge LiveLeak videos.
Some people took that as the team being forced to binge LiveLeak videos.
This is the kind of shit that makes these discussions exhausting.
Even when actual developers tell you otherwise, you discredit them. It seems like you don't actually care or value the developers or what they have to say unless it suits your favoured agenda, instead you are quick to call Alexandria a liar, and only appear to care about what she or others have to say when it's in the service of shitting on ND, something you've been doing tirelessly of late.
There has been a turn of opinion on Murray due in part to NMS becoming a better game and the fact Internet Historian did a video encompassing the pre-release to the now of NMS and Murray's history.
Probably imposing the experience of some devs on MK.
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I was going to look for this article, one dev talked about how he saw so much horrific imagery that he began to hallucinate and see a pile of gore where his dog would be. That stuck with me for a while.
Thank you. I honestly can't stand it and while some of the subjects he touches on are worth discussing, he doesn't set them up to be discussed in a meaningful and constructive way, nor is he doing it because he cares about the people working on those games. His whole 'thing' is to fuel gamer outrage for the clicks by constantly setting up the games industry as some big bad enemy that gamers need to rise up against. It's toxic as fuck.
I'm not sure if you actually read my posts if you think I have zero reason for being critical of the game or Naughty Dog.
I'm not calling Alexandria a liar, I can believe that she didn't have a problem with this stuff. But I am also not going to take the experience of one employee who is able to speak up about their positive experience at the company as an indication of the experience of everyone who works there. Especially when the employees who have a negative experience there can't speak up without putting their job on the line.
Good timing, considering so many people try to derail TLOU2 topics with accusations based on that. (as with so many other things)
Neil retweet is also great.
Neil retweet is also great.
I think your only potraying the critical and not anything else like your going out of your way to shit on naughty dog, the game and anyone that likes it. That's how it feels like going back reading your posts in every last of us thread.
There were people on this very forum who were repeating these accaccusations. There were threads about many of the "controversies" that Neil addresses in his tweet. The misinformation isn't being perpetuated by alt right trolls alone.
Without spoiling anything whats this thing about Neil being in this game? He talks about it in that tweet and I saw Laura Bailey reference it. I've tried to stay away from anything about this game until I've finished it.
You'll never know how other people at different departments are treated and how much their bosses imply.
Sure, you don't have to watch or do this and this, but it would be a real shame if you would hinder other peoples workflow
or don't match the deadlines like everyone else.
Heck, even the Rockstar Story was so damn different, depending on who you ask and where they worked.
Sure, you don't have to watch or do this and this, but it would be a real shame if you would hinder other peoples workflow
or don't match the deadlines like everyone else.
Heck, even the Rockstar Story was so damn different, depending on who you ask and where they worked.
What Alexandria has said only corroborates what Neil himself has said in a past interview, that they ensure only the people who want to work on this stuff are the ones who are working on it.
And yes, you are inadvertently calling both Alexandria and Neil liars, in other words pushing this notion (without any evidence I should add) that this example is a unique one, and that you're confident others will not have had this same treatment or experience, based on nothing but your own negative confirmation bias.
Sorry for not being positive on the game or a studio with notorious labor issues? Where do you get that i'm going out of my way to shit on anyone who likes it also?
I mentioned this in another thread, people complaining about the game being too violent and depressing. How is that any different than say a slasher film? Why aren't other horror films or games ever held to this ridiculously high standard? Why is this game being violent any worse than the hundreds of other violent games?
It feels like this game is being specifically targeted and its a bit silly
I need to seriously consider disconecting completely from the gaming community.
It's a straight up embarrassment for humanity.
It's a straight up embarrassment for humanity.
It's not based on nothing, VFX artists getting traumatized from having to look at reference material absolutely happens.
People are making this assumption based on the fact that it happened at Netherrealm, and since this game is also violent and gory it must have happened here too. This is dumb, because it ends up muddying the waters if employees DO come forward later saying that they were forced to watch reference material and developed PTSD from it. It's also possible that Naughty Dog has a good system in place for managing the fallout of creating a work like this, unlike Netherrealm.
There's a character in the game, played by another actor obviously, that has a man bun and sorta kinda looks like Neil, so naturally Neil, being the Harvey Weinstein of gaming, forced Laura Bailey to have sex with him in a mocap suit. I wish I was joking but that is just one of the many conspiracies surrounding this game.
This isn't about whether you like the game or not. It's you deciding that you're going to ignore what people who've literally worked on the game are telling you because it doesn't fit the narrative that you've decided to create.
Your posts and looking back at your history in TLOU threads. that is pretty telling. I don't give a shit if you don't like hte game or ND but clogging up threads with baseless bs is pretty bad.
Hopefully ND makes a game about this so gamers can understand.
I'm not ignoring the positive, I'm also just not ignoring what the industry is like lol.
I'm done, pretty clear y'all aren't going to listen regardless.