Yup...very well said, still go in blind, don't let anyone color your perception.
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Naughty Dog addresses TLOU Part 2 leaks
- Thread starter Proven
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Wait, I'm confused, the company abusing working laws and contracts or the people who like other consoles?
People are now going out of their way to spoil people. Just ugly shit from trolls.
Basically some major things are being spread around that are not true due to what we have seen from the actual leaks.
Well then maybe they shouldn't have broken the law and leaked sensitive information about a multi-million dollar AAA product lmfao. Jesus.
Well for one thing I'm not a huge fan of the series so I'm more or less indifferent to the leaks personally.
Also what "dramatics"? I'm sharing my opinion. That's kind of what you do on a forum last time I checked.
Agree to disagree then.
You're not really confused though, you're just acting dumb.
I've been fortunate to avoid any leaks so far, but then I'm not very active on social media anyway. That's very much worked in my favour.
I hope they catch the prick responsible for leaking all the footage. At the very least name and shame them so that they never get to work in the industry again.
I hope they catch the prick responsible for leaking all the footage. At the very least name and shame them so that they never get to work in the industry again.
Sorry, but if you don't pay your employees and work them to the point of exhaustion with awful crunch periods, I don't really have empathy for the corporation. Yeah, it sucks work got leaked unofficially if you had no hand in that, but if the system is oppressing the people who work for you to the point of withholding due wages and affecting people's mental health, then I can't exactly blame someone for hitting the company back in the biggest way they could. The work of individual employees is still there and can be experienced by people not so plugged into internet culture anyway, so the rights of workers should absolute come first.
Dramatics as in acting like this is going to create a nosedive in sales. It's clearly not, you don't have to be a sales analyst to say that.
ego. I remember a guy literally fucked his company over by leaving a delete command that perm deleted all their programs on their manufacturing line. Then on top of that he destroyed the backups as well. Just because of their ego.
This person will be going straight to jail once caught.
I feel terrible for the team at ND that worked so hard for so many years on this game. And i also feel terrible for all the people ND has tried to silence with NDAs and the reported awful working conditions.
Last time something got spoiled for me out of spite was a random Facebook comment about The Force Awakens. The person was obviously just commenting on everything they could with the biggest spoiler in the movie hoping they would have the top comment that shows in the feed. I was pissed. It's such a worse feeling than genuinely stumbling upon something by accident.
For gaming I really only browse this site and it's not hard to avoid spoilers here so I'm hoping I'm safe.
Extremely this. These threads always expose the people who live on internet forums rather than having real life experience.
And you don't know that it won't. But as it's been pointed out already there isn't really any way to know one way or another. I just think it will and you think it won't. And that's fine. Everyone has opinions. No need to be so combative over it.
I don't think many are advocating for empathy towards Sony, the corporate entity, but more the people that have been working on the game for four years.
The assumption made by many in this thread, that this is a disgruntled employee that has been crunched to death, has not been proven. Until it has, I'm loathe to make conclusions even though I agree with you about workers' rights 100%. Even if we accept this assumption, I'm not sure how this brings to light workers' rights as there is absolutely nothing about that subject at all related to the leak.
Am I the only person who thinks this is a good thing? Drown out the real stuff
All of you looking forward to TLOU II need to get off Twitter, Facebook, Discord, Reddit and YouTube right now until this game releases.
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We need to have the name,so that everyone knows what piece of [...] s/he is. Didn't like the crunch, ehh? I hope you enjoy being unemployed for quite some time. Unless you want to work in McD instead of gamedev
Hey, what happens, happens, I'm talking about actively wishing these terrible things to happen to him. Hence the word bloodlust. You can hide behind the legality of what he did all you want, actively hoping harm on someone for video games isn't something I think isn't right even with it being a 'AAA product.'
None of you quoting me seem to want to address that part of what I'm saying. But yes. Jesus.
Not really considering the amount of damage that could possibly cause. Fake spoilers could drive away players that might not have been driven away by the real ones.
You should be okay fot ERA but I recommend avoiding all TLOU threads in case a troll slips up.
Thats more a middle finger to the workers, who worked their asses off than the company.
I'm sure the people actually impacted by the leak know who the leaker was. Anything beyond that only opens them (and their loved ones) up for abuse, harassment, and death threats by unhinged fans. That is definitely not the way to go.
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The Michael Scott path, i.e. making as much noise as possible that people drown in it instead of realizing what's what.
Agreed doxxing the person is not the way to go. Not only is it similar to the thing that got some people angry, but it frankly isn't deserved.
It's not bloodlust... it's literally the law, lmao.
This guy just leaked years and years of work from thousands of people from a multimilion dollar franchise from the biggest sequel to ever release on a Sony console. The biggest home console manufacturer in the market.
A project that has people overworked, tired and right when it's about to be complete... it's leaked.
He did so knowing what he was doing as well.
This IS a crime. Getting sued is hardly the worst thing that could happen here. And jail time is expected for sure.
But it does raise other questions. What drove this person to do something like this? He/she was probably mentally desperate/tired/worn out to reach this point.
Naughty Dog needs to change and this is a wake up call for them.
But expecting this person to get a warning or something is just not realistic.
if this really did come from a pissed off employee, I hope this leads to ND and the game industry as a whole taking working conditions seriously. some devs are bound to be disappointed by the situation, but maybe it can lead to something positive in the long-run
There is a thing called résumé that people who hire look at. This move could end his/her career regardless of industry.
Most of them are just fanboys who are cheering now. But they are hiding their true sentiments behind the Naughty Dog crunch story. All this just because Naughty Dog is one of the best development studios in the world.
The problem is that there is real major leaks mixed in there. It's hard to explain so I'm just going to warn that you don't want to see any of these leaks true or not.
So history repeats itself...lol
Do you remember when many posting TLOU1 spoilers (mostly fake infos) two weeks before its release day?
Do you remember when many posting TLOU1 spoilers (mostly fake infos) two weeks before its release day?
Seriously. This thread makes me feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
They seem to be forgetting that Naughty Dog is made up of actual human beings that are going to be emotionally and mentally effected by this leak.
Someone above who's friends with someone at Naughty Dog mentioned their friend crying and breaking down. Yet idiots are still arguing.
I feel bad for all inevitable incoming hate that's going to come towards them on Twitter. Their community manager's replies are already filled with vitriol over the spoilers.
Fuck every person in this thread that defends this. Absolute scum.
I just think it's dumb people are acting like the leak invalidates all the work individual employees have put in. The game will still come out in 2 months and all their work will be on full display, just because it didn't get a corporate unveiling on time and people very plugged in decided to spoil themselves on it (and a few got caught in the crossfire) does not invalidate everything they've done. It will still be there in all of its original intention and will likely find some fans for years to come as new people will still experience the true intention of that work. Yeah, it can suck to hear spoilers about something, but I do think on average the impact that has is greatly overstated anyway to begin with.
And, correct, I don't know every detail on this situation, but if a corporation can't pay it's worker, I see it as plenty valid to hit back that corporation. Legally speaking, you're probably not going to get much done and will face ages in court as your best case scenario and corporations very rarely suffer any consequence for disgusting behavior such as crunch and not paying employees. If the system can't help you resolve a conflict, hitting back is sometimes what workers have to do. And again, maybe some of this is incorrect info on the employee and I'll amend statements to reflect that later on, but right now it looks real bad for Sony and their corporation.
Same man. Been feeling weird the whole afternoon because of this shit. I didn't know about any leaks and just checked Wario's twitter post about the release date earlier and got massively spoiled within seconds, really out of nowhere because I didn't know about any leaks. Such a massive bummer. I know it's just a piece of entertainment, but I've been looking forward to playing this game ever since I finished the first one. Of course the game will still be spectacular and I can't wait to also enjoy the gameplay-parts, but first and foremost I was looking forward to discovering all the story beats by the masterfully crafted cutscenes and dialogues. I will still enjoy the game, but part of the "discovering the story beats" has been taken from me.
I will also say this: Fuck not only the one who leaked it in the first place, but also the people spreading story leaks about the game all over the internet. Fuck you. Even if I use some spoiler protection browser add-ons, there are still people going as far as leaking stuff through private messages on reddit, PSN and over here. Why are some people so fucking awful.
Yeah let's get some of the historically, well adjusted gaming fans to harass them.
That will go fine and is completely justified.
Why shit on people that work at McDonalds?
I disagree when it comes to protesting because frankly, the times in the world where things actually change require a breaking of the law. Look at any point in history and you'll see that. However, I really don't like this in reference to this leak because we have no idea what the point of the leak is. People are just upset because of the bad crunch that ND has illustrated and decided that this is a way to call attention to that. I fail to see how.
You should go work at a video game company to see how this stuff plays out in real life. Because I have. Only people that suffered were the developers, shit still sold like hot cakes.
Sure, apologies.
Has any leak ever had such a material impact on the actual products success? It just seems like an incredibly far-fetched prediction.
