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Nancy Pelosi won’t send the articles of impeachment to the Senate until she feels they’ll get a fair hearing.
- Thread starter Exellus
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I think he's suggesting that the GOP now with nothing to lose will dump Trump and make Pence president for the last two months. I can't see it happening but let's see how the election goes and how good/bad it is for the GOP as that could change things.
yeah they are playing dirty bc the other side is clearly just voting for the party.
I'm not sure they want the impeachment to hang with no response so maybe it pressures them to agree to some of the democrats terms idk
I'm pretty sure the new congress takes their seats earlier in January, like the first week.
You know Trump expected this to go to the senate a quick brutal death, not allowing that will drive him nuts.
So wait, if say, Trump gets re-elected, but the senate goes democratic on the next election, could he then be removed almost immediately on his second term?
Need 66 votes in the Senate. Beyond that Rs losing Senate and winning the Presidency is HIGHLY (Less than Trump's chances of winning in 2016) unlikely. Rs retaining senate and Ds winning presidency is more likely to occur.
No you need a 2/3 majority to remove not just 51 dems
They'll never have that many seats or convince that many republicans to convict
Yeah, because pushing it through to the sham senate is going to make them suddenly care about doing anything besides shoving a bunch of unqualified judges through during the lame duck session. No wonder republicans get away with so much, dems can't even wipe their asses without someone worried about how it'll benefit the other party.
Maybe the GOP should just cooperate and let witnesses testify? Why should we have a trial where witnesses aren't allowed to appear?
Nine pages later and I still don't think this matters. Republicans will win the info war. They always do (and already have on impeachment, considering flailing support).
And to the person who compared this to Garland, um, no? Dems won't get anything for this. Repubs got a lifetime justice.
And to the person who compared this to Garland, um, no? Dems won't get anything for this. Repubs got a lifetime justice.
To be fair he does know what he is talking about, he is Master of that fuckery along with Turtle.
I don't like the precedent this sets. What's to stop a Republican-controlled House from sending articles over after they've impeached a Democratic President until they have a more favorable position in a Senate Trial?
Republican stonewalling and shitposting has become the new status quo. Democrats asking people to follow the rules is the new bipartisan. Graham and McConnell held press conferences this morning complaining that it was unconstitutional bullshit that they aren't allowed to do whatever they want.
We're past the point where Republicans threatening to act in bad faith has any meaning. The entire impeachment process has been them acting in bad faith. The entire Russia investigation when they controlled both houses of Congress was conducted in bad faith. The Benghazi and email investigations opened over and over and over again were in bad faith. The calls to impeach Hillary on day 1 and to contest the election results were in bad faith. Withholding a Supreme Court seat for half a year was in bad faith. Rubber stamping unqualified people to be judges just because of right wing loyalty pledges is bad faith. Confirming the likes of Sessions, Barr, Devos, and Pruitt was bad faith.
The party as it currently exists is fundamentally broken and built to exploit power structures by design. Between the Voting Rights Act and the current impeachment trial, 1 Republican congressman voted against the party. Following norms when they've abandoned all pretexts of trying to govern will just get you a boot in the face. Or as its so often put, Lucy pulling the football away. Again.
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Doesn't stuff have to be sent and voted on in the same term or else is expires?
Won't happen, too many seats are required, however with a simple majority, Trump would never be able to say he was acquitted.
They are trying to override congress powers of impeachment which is constitutional and the vote has already happened. Anything they try will be challenged and will only delay the senate trial even more. The SCOTUS is cornered too because they aren't going to move quick as they are already dragging out other cases and moving this up will show the federalists right wingers true colors like they did in Gore v Bush. Please proceed
Republicans already set the precedent by all the stonewalling they did in Obama's last year. This is a case of Pelosi giving them a taste of their own medicine more than anything. It shows the Democrats are finally starting to play by the Republicans' rules, and it's long overdue.
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Am I crazy to be pretty sure the response to this by the public will be, "Well, does he deserve to be impeached or not? You spent 3 months arguing yes and now you refuse to do it?"
I've learned since 2016 that about 2/3rds of Americans don't understand nuance and logic and rules.
If Mitch was thinking logically, he would realize that the rulings for tax subpoenas will come from the Supreme Court in June right before an election. He has to realize it will be bad for Trump in there. Now he can pretend to fight against witnesses for the Senate trial for the benefit of his base. If he then let's witnesses testify how we all think they will and confirm the abuse of power, Trump can be removed and Pence or someone else get's some time to be a candidate with a slight chance of winning in November without a more damaged Trump pulling down the numbers.
At least I tell myself this to feel better about how craven the Republican's have become.
lol, This is absurd concern trolling imo.
Have you missed Republicans demolishing norms left and right over the last couple decades, especially in the last five or so?
Just as much a problem as the House passing bills and the Senate not voting on them.....
That's a big win. There's honestly not much to be done regarding the Senate votes. This is a good move. IDK why you don't get that.
according to ERA she's a progressive. Real champion of the people.
He not only looks less defiant he also looks like he's aging faster that that guy at the end of Last Crusade.
She certainly isn't left wing compared to some of the newer members of the party, so re-framing is necessary. Obama and Hillary are centrists compared to the likes of Warren or Sanders, for example.
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Because it's one headline away from being framed as "Dems refuse to advance because he's innocent and they know it and it's all a sham." Anything that easily defused isn't brilliant.
This is a next-level circle-jerk, even for Era. And it's not even a Marvel thread.
ERA isn't a single entity and people need to stop being dumb and treating it as such.
You don't understand that they were going to use some bullshit, antagonistic headline anyway??
Go back and look at some of the threads where she wasn't in favor of impeachment and tell me what "ERA" thinks.
