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Nancy Pelosi mocks AOC & left-wing opposition to Border funding bill: “They have their public whatever and their Twitter world”

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Vectorman

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Man we're so fucked in 2020. Dems can't figure the fuck out what they want to be and the Republicans are gathering their base yet again. Please will someone tell these people to get over themselves and their egos and get to figuring out how to beat the Orange one in 2020.
 

Dekim

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Pelosi is a career politician. You think she doesn't know how to couch her words in a way that doesn't blatantly throw shade at her left flank? And this is a frequent think with her, so this argument that Pelosi doesn't know what she's doing rings hollow to me. People can't be that naive.
 

jviggy43

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Honestly I'm glad this community is coming around on what a shitheel Pelosi is. She continues to enable the worst of the republican party while chastising those who are actually standing up for issues we voted them in for. Get her the fuck out of here.
 
Powdered Egg

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Tamanon said:
That's an idiotic thing to even say.
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The white old Dem power structure would rather not upset their wealthy donors. We even have some young new loud corny "centrist" politicians promising not to upset the status quo. Leftists and minorities are a bigger threat to their power than the "differences of opinion" across the aisle. Let's not fool ourselves Skip.
 

onadesertedisland

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Powdered Egg said:
The white old Dem power structure would rather not upset their wealthy donors. We even have some youbg new loud corny "centrist" politicians promising not to upset the status quo. Leftists and minorities are a bigger threat to their power than the "differences of opinion" across the aisle. Let's not fool ourselves Skip.
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We have a Democratic front runner promising them that nothing will change.
 
Tamanon

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Kusagari said:
So your argument is that Pelosi is too stupid to see how comments like this will be seen as her attacking them?

I mean, maybe you're right. She's reportedly flummoxed at why the media won't report on her bills doomed to not be brought up in the Senate instead of impeachment when the reason is obvious to anyone who knows how news media works.

If she is this clueless then she really does need to step down.
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Look at where the anger is directed.

A bipartisan bill passes the Senate. A much better bill passes the House but is killed on arrival by the Senate.

The only option is either A) No Bill, or B) The Senate bill.

So, the Senate bill passes because it does include some good things for helping with the current crisis.

Now, the anger is placed at the Speaker of the House because she had to take a shitty compromise. Not at the Senate that stuck her with a shitty position.

And the anger now is that she had an off-hand comment (that we don't even know what it was in response to) about the four who didn't vote for the bill. And we have this talk about how much they're the base of the party (which is hilarious considering they were < 2% of the caucus), and only talk about denying young voices in the party. And yet, we don't talk about the young voices that voted for the bill. Suddenly, Pelosi is a nasty racist who hates PoC. And she's the real enemy.

Now we have talk of wasting resources on primarying her, which is the biggest lol. Eyes off the ball.

Sure, she could've just not talked about the "Squad" at all, and given a "no comment" to whatever the question in the interview was. I think she was probably just too honest. Their influence is exaggerated right now. In the future, sure they'll likely have more, but now, they're not moving the needle much.
 
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CrunchyB

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onadesertedisland said:
It's funny to see the obvious need for unity, yet the leader of the Democrats consistently attack her own.
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It's the curse of leftists parties all around the world. They actually have ideals, so there will always be struggles about how to best pursue these goals. Some goals/people might be incompatible which each other and shake things up in a major way.

The right usually only cares about money, power and keeping the status quo. Everyone is on the same page so everyone falls in line. Much easier.
 

Vyrak

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Tamanon said:
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Look at where the anger is directed.

A bipartisan bill passes the Senate. A much better bill passes the House but is killed on arrival by the Senate.

The only option is either A) No Bill, or B) The Senate bill.

So, the Senate bill passes because it does include some good things for helping with the current crisis.

Now, the anger is placed at the Speaker of the House because she had to take a shitty compromise. Not at the Senate that stuck her with a shitty position.

And the anger now is that she had an off-hand comment (that we don't even know what it was in response to) about the four who didn't vote for the bill. And we have this talk about how much they're the base of the party (which is hilarious considering they were < 2% of the caucus), and only talk about denying young voices in the party. And yet, we don't talk about the young voices that voted for the bill. Suddenly, Pelosi is a nasty racist who hates PoC. And she's the real enemy.

Now we have talk of wasting resources on primarying her, which is the biggest lol. Eyes off the ball.

Sure, she could've just not talked about the "Squad" at all, and given a "no comment" to whatever the question in the interview was. I think she was probably just too honest. Their influence is exaggerated right now. In the future, sure they'll likely have more, but now, they're not moving the needle much.
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Or option C) Stop being a bunch of losers bending over for republicans.
 

jviggy43

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Tamanon said:
That's an idiotic thing to even say.
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Youre right. They would rather say they dont want Trump for 8 yesars or as well as having minorities and progressives in power in their party while doing everything in their power to enable Trump and throw those progressives under the bus whenever they speak up about it.
 
Kirblar

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The house bill could not pass. Pelosi did not have leverage to make that happen once the Senate bill went through 80-20 or w/e. The moderates in the house/senate just wanted the senate bill done. Which is the point she's making here- AOC is a loudspeaker and very good at messaging, but has very little power in the actual chamber because she is massively outnumbered.

All the whining about how she didnt fight for the house bill is whining about not enough cpr being done to save a bill that is long, long since the point of saving.
Vyrak said:
Or option C) Stop being a bunch of losers bending over for republicans.
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Power, how does it work?

The Dems do not control the Senate, but the moderate Ds in the Senate can blocm legislation w the fillibuster. This makes them the kings right now on the Dem side for what can and cannot get passed becausw they are the marginal votes.

This is blatantly obvious if you have even just a little understanding of how our legislative politics works but please, keep spreaking like a banal sports commentator whose only explanation for a loss is ever "they ddn't want it enough."
 
entremet

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I like AOC but she is massively overhyped. She's a freshmen rep in a branch that succeeds on building consensus.

I hate Nancy's decision on impeachment, but she is a way more capable politician than AOC. Not a knock on AOC but she's a freshman, she hasn't built a power base. Moreover, her politics aren't appealing to those outside of hyper liberal enclaves. The House is a federal body. Different strategy than local politics.
 

xnipx

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There needs to be a wealth limit on politicians. One of the main reasons AOC resonates more with young people is because she actually comes from the real world. Millionaire politicians pushing rich "liberal" ideals is ruining this country. At least the republicans are honest about their intentions. I'd love to see a true small government republican form a platform not based around tax cuts for the wealthy since they wouldn't run in millionaire circles heavily in their ear.
 
Lightning hand5

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At the end of the day someone like Nancy Pelosi has more in common with a guy like trump and many of these other lawmakers. They're from the same generation, theyve lived with wealth longer than they haven't, and they generally have a similar view on power and who should have it.

They see people like Donald Trump like mitch McConnell as a colleague that they can work with and they can understand. While a person who has lived approx a quarter of their lifespan is someone they have no energy for. It's the "I'm a grown up. Just listen to me and nevermind why" mentality.

The kind of economic and political system that people like cortez advocate for is the kind in which people like Pelosi and her ilk stand to risk the kind of lifestyle they've grown accustomed to. They're used to not having to interact with un moneyed constituents, or to interact with constituents in a highly regulated and controlled environment. They're used to not having to think about the cost of anything in their lives or any risks beyond political reputations which mean nothing at this point since they could retire in luxury. For folks like Pelosi, politics is an activity without life or death consequences for them or people who look like them. So naturally they have no reason to be invested in the welfare of others beyond not wanting to lose face.
 

jviggy43

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Kirblar said:
The house bill could not pass. Pelosi did not have leverage to make that happen once the Senate bill went through 80-20 or w/e. The moderates in the house/senate just wanted the senate bill done. Which is the point she's making here- AOC is a loudspeaker and very good at messaging, but has very little power in the actual chamber because she is massively outnumbered.

All the whining about how she didnt fight for the house bill is whining about not enough cpr being done to save a bill that is long, long since the point of saving.

Power, how does it work?

The Dems do not control the Senate, but the moderate Ds in the Senate can blocm legislation w the fillibuster. This makes them the kings right now on the Dem side for what can and cannot get passed becausw they are the marginal votes.

This is blatantly obvious if you have even just a little understanding of how our legislative politics works but please, keep spreaking like a banal sports commentator whose only explanation for a loss is ever "they ddn't want it enough."
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There is an active difference between doing everything in your power to resist the inevitable and actively helping the inevitable move along. People are not upset because the Dems had no power to stop this. People are upset that they actively helped move it along instead of doing everything in their power to delay/postpone it.

Saying people have little understanding is just a defense for your constant parade of posts that essentially boils down to "I dont care about non white lives around the world, fall in line".
 
M.Bluth

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I see we're getting the biweekly "dunk on the progressives for no good reason" shtick from Nancy again.
She's fucking useless. Her and all the dumb old fucks keeping their grip on the party is why Trump will win again and will die without ever answering to any of the awful garbage he has done.

yaaas queeen! <3
 
Kirblar

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Vyrak said:
Weird, I had no idea it was a Democrat bill that got through the senate and made it to the house.
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It was. It was a bipartisan bill negotiated in the Senate by both parties to get it past the 60 vote fillibuster in that chamber.

It just didn't go far enough for AOC and others in the house, but the Senate and House moderates weren't willing to have a fight over it once the Senate negotiations were finished.

The fundamental problem here isn't Pelosi, it's that the Senate is terrible and shouldn't exist.
jviggy43 said:
There is an active difference between doing everything in your power to resist the inevitable and actively helping the inevitable move along. People are not upset because the Dems had no power to stop this. People are upset that they actively helped move it along instead of doing everything in their power to delay/postpone it.

Saying people have little understanding is just a defense for your constant parade of posts that essentially boils down to "I dont care about non white lives around the world, fall in line".
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Schumer and the moderates in both chambers did not want to go to bat for the house bill and try and get more negotiations. Wasting your time pretending something that can't be passed is a waste of time and resources.

No, I say people have little understanding, because they idea of "IF YOU JUST TRY HARD ENOUGH IT CAN HAPPEN" is complete bullshit. The votes were never there to pass the house bill.
 
Tamanon

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jviggy43 said:
There is an active difference between doing everything in your power to resist the inevitable and actively helping the inevitable move along. People are not upset because the Dems had no power to stop this. People are upset that they actively helped move it along instead of doing everything in their power to delay/postpone it.

Saying people have little understanding is just a defense for your constant parade of posts that essentially boils down to "I dont care about non white lives around the world, fall in line".
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We're now just accusing folks of being racists here for no reason? Weird.
 

xnipx

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Plethora as in



When I talk about out of touch, I'm talking about the discourse on ERA of a "revolution" that is constantly coming of disgruntled super liberal voters that just never happens to ever materialized ever. The entire midterm and political theory was Sanders was going to awaken the left wing beast in America, and that in 2018 it would be a giant sweeping election that would fill the House with Sanders style members that would radically alter the direction of the Democratic party.

The big test for this theory was 2018, and it failed. That's why I currently refuse to listen and give the time of day to the same people who try to pass off similar political theories and have basically put all that failed ideology into AOC and Talib, two people who are in extremely safe blue districts that, in itself, contradict that political theory of every place in America where Democrats filed to win having an untapped potential of far left voters. The actual progressive and left wing candidates won in left wing districts, everywhere else had a massive swing due to the current political reshaping America where previously drawn districts are no longer producing the outcomes they were drawn to produce.

It's why the people in this thread and many threads in era who seemingly only started paying attention to politics in 2012 and keep shit posting "democrats are just Republicans" and "leftists" posters who go around saying that liberals love the alt right because of capitalism or some stupid shit.

These threads are filled to the brim with politically illiterate and out of touch folks, mainly driven by like the half dozen folks from the socialist era who are in an endless cycle of shitting out threads and driving the narrative in directions they see fit, and then getting angry when people come out from poli-era and start shitting on them for their obtuse hot takes.

It's why these threads are a shit show, because ERA is now at a point where it's a pissing match of "I'm more left wing than you". It's not even about actual policy, it's ideology and some inherent need to feel superior and have the hottest of hot takes.

Anyways, that's a long form post of saying the people driving a lot of these conversations are completely out of touch, some of them know it, some of them don't, and have basically poisoned political discourse due to being so out of touch and ridiculous with their endless shit tier hot takes.
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If given ample information and without bias. Do you think the majority of Americans would support progressive ie "socialist" legislation? If your answer is yes. Calling the far left wing of the party "out of touch" is disingenuous.
 
Jade1962

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Oh now I understand why Pelosi fans are so worried about Bernie's age. Look at what's happening to her.
 
Casa

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This whole "hands off" approach from Pelosi in regards to Trump is infuriating. He's done countless impeachable things and yet we refuse to do anything because she's deathly afraid it'll cost us 2020.

Well, what the fuck happens if she does nothing and we lose 2020 anyways? How the hell are we going to look then for being passive?
 
Dust

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Bill aside, old guard Liberals/Dems should be happy there is some popular young blood, while I sense a lot of bickering.
 
APOEERA

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At this point, there should be a recall vote for every single member of Congress who is not calling for or saying they would impeach Trump. They are failing their office if they don't. That includes Pelosi.
 
Protome

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Casa said:
This whole "hands off" approach from Pelosi in regards to Trump is infuriating. He's done countless impeachable things and yet we refuse to do anything because she's deathly afraid it'll cost us 2020.

Well, what the fuck happens if she does nothing and we lose 2020 anyways? How the hell are we going to look then for being passive?
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Her whole strategy of "Trump's bad but not bad enough that we should do something about it. Also fuck young voters" is definitely a brave one.
 

xnipx

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The game is rigged for the wealthy and the moderate dems are calling out the justice dems for exposing how broke our system is. Of course they have no interest in "playing politics the right way"
 
Tamanon

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Dust said:
Bill aside, old guard Liberals/Dems should be happy there is some popular young blood, while I sense a lot of bickering.
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Oh absolutely, everyone is happy there's new blood I think. They just need to do like the Tea Party did and win some elections past the first wave. That's how the "House Freedom Caucus" actually became an influencer.
 

jviggy43

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Tamanon said:
We're now just accusing folks of being racists here for no reason? Weird.
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Kirblars post history in politics for me has boiled down to

1. Arguing drone strikes killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people isnt a pressing issue we should be concerned about
2. posting an OT about a mother jones article attempting to put up a soft defense of people who voted for the 94 crime bill (the most harmful piece of legislation to black americans since slavery)
3. Arguing that not actively resisting giving funding to this bill which was directly contributing and abetting concentration camps with women and children was the lesser move and it was better to actively help this get passed despite it being used for the aforementioned humanitarian crisis.

And thats just off the top of my head. If were going to say somethings weird, its going to be his constant dismissal of these people's lives in order to defend the democratic party's constant hand in the destruction of minorities lives.
 
Tamanon

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jviggy43 said:
Kirblars post history in politics for me has boiled down to

1. Arguing drone strikes killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people isnt a pressing issue we should be concerned about
2. posting an OT about a mother jones article attempting to put up a soft defense of people who voted for the 94 crime bill (the most harmful piece of legislation to black americans since slavery)
3. Arguing that not actively resisting giving funding to this bill which was directly contributing and abetting concentration camps with women and children was the lesser move and it was better to actively help this get passed despite it being used for the aforementioned humanitarian crisis.

And thats just off the top of my head.
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On number 3. What is the alternative you would've had the House do? Not pass any bill?
 
mescalineeyes

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honestly, I think people's problem with Pelosi isn't that she isn't far enough to the left, fundamentally, sure, but like we know that's not really what matters right now. Personally I'm just disappointed in how badly she's managing standing up to Trump.
 

onadesertedisland

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Kirblar said:
The house bill could not pass. Pelosi did not have leverage to make that happen once the Senate bill went through 80-20 or w/e. The moderates in the house/senate just wanted the senate bill done. Which is the point she's making here- AOC is a loudspeaker and very good at messaging, but has very little power in the actual chamber because she is massively outnumbered.

All the whining about how she didnt fight for the house bill is whining about not enough cpr being done to save a bill that is long, long since the point of saving.

Power, how does it work?

The Dems do not control the Senate, but the moderate Ds in the Senate can blocm legislation w the fillibuster. This makes them the kings right now on the Dem side for what can and cannot get passed becausw they are the marginal votes.

This is blatantly obvious if you have even just a little understanding of how our legislative politics works but please, keep spreaking like a banal sports commentator whose only explanation for a loss is ever "they ddn't want it enough."
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No bill can pass the senate unless the turtle allows it. It's why Pelosi should use her power to return the favor.
 
M.Bluth

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Casa said:
This whole "hands off" approach from Pelosi in regards to Trump is infuriating. He's done countless impeachable things and yet we refuse to do anything because she's deathly afraid it'll cost us 2020.

Well, what the fuck happens if she does nothing and we lose 2020 anyways? How the hell are we going to look then for being passive?
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Same old shit. They'll stick around telling you how they can't do anything because they don't have any power, but do keep voting for them because they're the only electable Democrats, and the only ones capable of "getting things done" when they eventually win back Congress. But then they'll default to the current position of not doing anything or they risk the next election.
 
Suiko

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M.Bluth said:
Same old shit. They'll stick around telling you how they can't do anything because they don't have any power, but do keep voting for them because they're the only electable Democrats, and the only ones capable of "getting things done" when they eventually win back Congress. But then they'll default to the current position of not doing anything or they risk the next election.
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Doober

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PBalfredo said:
So what is Pelosi's current plan. Twiddle our thumbs until Nov 2020?
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Yep. It's the same strategy that blew up in "moderate" Republicans' faces.

"We need the house to stop Obama!"

"We only have the house, we need the Senate to stop Obama!"

"We gotta have all three guys!"

"Whoa, why's this Trump asshole winning our party's nomination?"
 
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