It wasn't "incredibly clear" otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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Nancy Pelosi May Issue A Forceful Statement Against Trump
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It wasn't "incredibly clear" otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation.
She was at a previously scheduled unrelated panel. She is speaking to the media at 5pm/2pm after meeting with the house.
But the GOP feeds off of Democrat/leftist infighting. We wouldn't be doing our jobs if we didn't take nibbles of our own every now and then.
Calling a vote that'll make headlines across the world only to see it fall flat because not enough reps support it would be a weapon-grade PR disaster for the dems that no sane party leader would risk. If Pelosi were to eventually call for an impeachment vote, it'd be almost certain she'd already have collected commitments from her caucus members ahead of time.
Well, except for that one time McCain torpedoed his ACA-repeal bill and the entire world started making Nelson Muntz noises at him. Pelosi will try to avoid that.
Also McConnell has like the easiest job in the world because Republicans have no positive agenda, so he's rarely ever had to actually whip to pass bills - ACA repeal going down in flames exemplifies that greatly.
He got Republicans to agree to cut taxes. Big whoop. And even that still had a ton of sturm und drang attached to it that a more competent leader could have avoided.
They can agree on cutting taxes and they can agree on appointing right-wing assholes to the judiciary, and that's it. That's McConnell's entire legislative agenda from top to bottom.
So then what the hell has the Judiciary Committee been doing, if not this? This is the problem with their messaging....on the face of it, I'm not even sure what this means.
I don't understand the "letting him get away with it" stuff. Is a prosecutor who doesn't bring a case because they don't think they can get a conviction "letting people get away with it?" Because that's the scenarios here. To make the risk of an impeachment vote worth it you need a political situation where instead of sending an impeachment vote up to the Senate that, instead of putting Senators like Manchin in a catch-22 where they either piss off their red districts or piss off the Dems, you instead have it put Senators like Collins in a Catch-22, where they either piss off the mainstream electorate or the GOP base.
It was not clear whether the latter would be the case at the end of this process prior to a few days ago.
There was contention over this both inside and outside the party - my position was previously that the actual vote wasn't worth anything, you wanted endless hearings to leverage it politically, with the actual vote being an afterthought and possibly something you didn't want to do because of the messaging on it during the election. The Ukraine Scandal completely altered the political calculus on this as it's got virtually all the qualities you need to sell this to the public and make the latter option above a real, tangible possibility. Thankfully, the majority of the caucus, even the ones most vulnerable if this were to go south politically, seem to agree with that.
It's likely that this will focus exclusively on the Ukraine situation instead of the stuff Judiciary's been working on and be a select committee (temporary mega committee.)
So if this is getting announced, why is this not major news all over?
LOL
Because all the major media outlets are complicit in bootlicking Trump
1. It kinda is
2. Other news sources will want to confirm before reporting it themselves (NYT just reported it as well, FYI)
3. It won't be formally announced for two more hours
It's already making news, it's just not headlining yet because it hasn't actually happened, we just have reports at this point
You can see all of the news outlets posting their version of the "expectation", even marketwatch posted one just now. Should be an interesting evening for sure.
Then maybe you can start by not starting off such an observation by passively aggressively telling people theyre stupid if you dont want the reactions youve gotten from everyone in here, which least of all should be expected from a moderator.
And the vilification for this woman is coming from her present actions, such as, oh idk, willingly funding concentration camps, throwing democratic freshmen under the bus for wanting the party to do more, refusing to actually do everything in her power to impede Trump. You dont get to tout what a great progressive youve been in the past when youre responsible for the aforementioned actions which trample on many of the causes she wants to champion when it suits her.
Pelosi is absolutely 100% an enemy. Shes a fake ally whose not only complicit in helping the Trump administration but an active agent in helping it succeed. Shes the fox Malcolm X told us about.
New thread for new news: https://www.resetera.com/threads/nb...announce-a-formal-impeachment-inquiry.142922/
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