"I have a dream" - Martin Luther King and literally every Dreams playerDreams - haven't played it but I feel like it would be apolitical
I agree with this completely. Sitting and racking your brains to come up with a political interpretation for a game doesn't make it true.I guess what I'm trying to say is that often it's the people playing the games making political statements instead of the games themselves. It often says more about what kind of person they are than the game.
Another communist conforming game. You identify an individual's purpose based on the identity and location of others in your block or interrelated sectors.OK, I'll bite. Sudoku.
I have one angle, but it feels kinda weak.
It's possible that it's an issue not discussed where I live. Or just something that flew under my radar. However when I hear the word fat shaming, I don't associate it with a political issue and rather societal one. Obesity as a growing issue has had political discussion as has provide care to those with pre-existing conditions however any relation to fat shaming seems at least to me as superficial.Not sure if you're serious but there's some discussion going on about discrimination towards weight and implications it has on for example health care providance (pre-existing conditions), never mind the fact that it's situated in the growing issue of world obesity and how to tackle it.
shush we are being very clever and hilariousI feel like the "Keep politics out of my videogames" crowd has a totally different definition of what they mean by "politics" than people like OP, resulting in two camps just talking past each other
"I have a dream" - Martin Luther King and literally every Dreams player
The content made by users can be political.
The homeland must be protected from the grotesque invading alien horde at any cost! The hyperaggresive military complex must develop an advanced super weapon capable of liberating entire ecosystems...from living.
A game can be political by introducing two different views points related to a political topic and allowing players to draw there own conclusions. Dreams doesn't do this either, unless the premade stuff does this and I'm just unaware.Yes, but to be political a game has to represent one position over others. If it contains all positions it's apolitical.
I think that's one way to label a game "political". Personally I've always thought that most games with compelling story and lore have to have some form of politics in them to drive them. Deus Ex is very political with its themes but at the same time it represents a lot of sides in its worldYes, but to be political a game has to represent one position over others. If it contains all positions it's apolitical.
Dreams is straight up an attempt at giving the means of production (game development) to everyone, whether you are an elite (programmer etc) or layman (person who just enjoys games) This is political.A game can be political by introducing two different views points related to a political topic and allowing players to draw there own conclusions. Dreams doesn't do this either, unless the premade stuff does this and I'm just unaware.
Universe Sandbox: Because you can't politicize THE UNIVERSE (and I will be immediately proven wrong)
A person literally giving blood in a repetitive work, trying to beat the unbeatable.
Is this a worker on capitalism or just a game of super meat boy?
False because it's not free, and is platform limited where as development tools often aren't, also your implying that knowing anything is required to attempt developing a game and I'd disagree with this point. Several games have been made by individuals who don't know what they are doing. Also almost every game is can be considered a means of production due to the raise of streaming, let's plays, speedruning and etc. Games like Persona 5 preventing this is more of a political statement.Dreams is straight up an attempt at giving the means of production (game development) to everyone, whether you are an elite (programmer etc) or layman (person who just enjoys games) This is political.
It's possible that it's an issue not discussed where I live. Or just something that flew under my radar. However when I hear the word fat shaming, I don't associate it with a political issue and rather societal one. Obesity as a growing issue has had political discussion as has provide care to those with pre-existing conditions however any relation to fat shaming seems at least to me as superficial.
Its my understanding fat shaming has no impact obesity. While I don't think that it's right to deny people care dur to pre-existing, I don't think this practice is done as a means to fat shame, and feeling fat shamed as the result of it is due to individual perception.
My point wasn't that fat shaming isn't an issue, I think it is, and don't intend to contribute to the problem. My point is that it is a societal and individual issue, rather than on political one due to a lack of it being politicized. Change minds, not laws kind of issue, but if you disagree with this point it is in fact political.
Zany Golf
Bomb Jack
Snow Bros
The snail game built into the Sega Master System.
Mario games: No.
Ah, yes, you're right, it is a flawed interpretation of a political idea due to the realities of game development. Obviously also Disco Elysium isn't political either because ultimately it was made by people who receive capital for their goods and or services.False because it's not free, and is platform limited where as development tools often aren't, also your implying that knowing anything is required to attempt developing a game and I'd disagree with this point. Several games have been made by individuals who don't know what they are doing. Also almost every game is can be considered a means of production due to the raise of streaming, let's plays, speedruning and etc. Games like Persona 5 preventing this is more of a political statement.
Cmon, that one is literally a wargame
I'll take it! :DThe homeland must be protected from the grotesque invading alien horde at any cost! The hyperaggresive military complex must develop an advanced super weapon capable of liberating entire ecosystems...from living.
Oh no this new expansion to my 90's RPG has a trans character in it this is pandering and I'm being preached to about how trans people exist.Honestly any person who says they want no politics normally is saying they don't want pandering/self inserted/beating the audience over the head politics.
I'm also seeing a LOT of loose interpretations of what "politics" are here as well.
Plenty of gamers like politics in their games, things like Ivalice and Metal Gear Rising have plenty of them in caricatured ways. I think most people just don't enjoy being preached at/to.
Pretty much this. I also feel that many here only like seeing politics in a game if they see it as supporting their own viewpoints (or if they can at least twist it so, like the posts here supporting communism). For example, I can enjoy Minecraft pre-Microsoft, but if Notch had somehow inextricably embedded alt-right messaging in it, I would back away.Honestly any person who says they want no politics normally is saying they don't want pandering/self inserted/beating the audience over the head politics.
I'm also seeing a LOT of loose interpretations of what "politics" are here as well.
Plenty of gamers like politics in their games, things like Ivalice and Metal Gear Rising have plenty of them in caricatured ways. I think most people just don't enjoy being preached at/to.
It's not anti corporate. The Mishima Zaibatsu is evil (a private company that declares its independance, and war on the entire world is evil, from my point of view), someone needs to stand against them. And just because ONE family in the game's universe is fucked up doesn't mean Tekken's view on the concept of family is.All fighting games are a kind of Social Darwinism/Will to Power in action and often engage in racial and gender stereotyping.
Specific to Tekken is it's anti-corporate/anti-upper class slant, it's cynical view of family dynamics and power, and... well, much more.
A trans person shouldn't be seen as "politics." They're human beings. When someone tries to put them in the "politics" box, they're trying to change the narrative so that a trans person's humanity is debatable.Oh no this new expansion to my 90's RPG has a trans character in it this is pandering and I'm being preached to about how trans people exist.