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Nakkiel (DBFZ player) accused of sexual assault (& Sonicfox defending him)
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This is just one of several instances that SonicFox has been defending these shitty people. The first time is innocent, the 2nd time is a pattern. It's not a good look.
Your ex stopped. But in this case, she was yelled at, threatened, etc. It even came to the point where she'd give it to avoid the abuse, pretend to sleep (and still be assaulted).
Not many people have suddenly have had several of their friends outed as sex pests, pedophiles, and abusers within the span of a week while dealing with their own constant harassment campaigns and people literally cheering for them to be outed a sex pest themselves so they can get "cancelled". Seriously, cut SonicFox a break.
DId you read Nakkiel's response? Obviously it's another question if you choose to believe it but I would recommend reading it if you haven't. I do believe both perspectives because it reads very much like the relationship I'm talking about.
Often how someone talks especially when there is already history can be misconstrued. I don't know if you've had communication issues in the past with anyone, but if you have consider situations where you or they misunderstood the other person's words or tone.
EDIT: To add rereading this I can see how it could read as condescending, this is not my intention.
Also to add further context to my point about how tone or words can be misunderstood, in these instances when I asked my ex to stop I would be met with angry responses regarding whether or not I loved her or found her attractive, I've reached a point where I understand where her anger came from. I find it incredibly likely, that Nakkiel's ex has not gotten to that point yet, it's equally likely that he truly was that aggressive, but nobody but them knows which is the case.
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While SonicFox's response is bad, it makes perfect sense why they would want to immediately defend their friends after how many ties they've had to break this week. I didn't even know any of these people directly, and just finding about how some people I've pooled with are sexual abusers has had me shaken. I can't even imagine what SonicFox is going through.
They're nowhere near the same caliber as the actual sexual assault victims, but make no mistake - they're a victim right now too.
Edit: Sorry, pronouns! I apologize - that's my bad.
They're nowhere near the same caliber as the actual sexual assault victims, but make no mistake - they're a victim right now too.
Edit: Sorry, pronouns! I apologize - that's my bad.
The weird thing here is....no one tagged SonicFox into this conversation? They kind of just superhero landed into this with a judgment of "It sounds like they're both wrong but why didn't she communicate????" for no apparent reason.
It's one thing to have to explain your friends' behavior, it's another to come bursting into a room to do it.
It's one thing to have to explain your friends' behavior, it's another to come bursting into a room to do it.
This.
I'm at the point of just saying let the chips fall where they may.
Signal-boosting, because some people in the thread haven't grasped this yet.
You can be empathetic to the harassment SonicFox deals with simultaneously acknowledging that some of their responses to the issues in the FGC that have been blown wide open aren't great.
Apologies if the timing of my post came across as dogpiling on your post btw, was doing a general quote-post off the back of posts I'd seen on page one and hadn't got as far as this page yet.
It's worth bringing up so people can better get used to it when they likely aren't in a position where it's something they are more conscious of, myself included.
Oh absolutely - that was what I was trying to do.
I was just wanting to note that I wasn't trying to lambaste Theswweet specifically when my post happened to come directly after another person calling them out on the pronouns.
Again - the original post was my bad. No excuses and I'm not gonna blame anyone for calling me on it. It wasn't done out of malice, but that doesn't excuse things. Even if I was being dogpiled - good. It's better to drive the point home.
I feel like a lot of this topic is circling around Sonicfox and not the original allegation and response. It makes sense. Sonicfox has transcended beyond traditional fighting game circles.
For sure.
Didn't know this. Having a bunch of friends turn out to be shit would absolutely suck.
I'm sympathetic to seeing your friends drop like flies around you due to being exposed as predatory creeps, and grasping for whatever nuance to atleast try and have a conversation with your roommate (apparently?). But one doesn't need to jump onto Twitter immediately when an allegation is made not even about you. Sonicfox could have just... like... read the room and not rushed out a bad tweet like this.
It's not difficult to have empathy and understand that SonicFox is having a rough time here. They've already cut ties with several people this week, this week has shattered a lot of people in the community they take part in and even some of the events they were going to take part in, they're already constantly the target of harassment campaigns for being a furry/being a liberal/being NB/being anti-Republican/being anti-fascist/being anti-White Supremacist, and generally if you have a pretty close friend who you live with get accused - someone you're super biased towards - your first instinct will probably be to defend them.
This is the whole gist of my post: having strong feelings and biases for people you like can (and often will) temporarily override common sense.
Should SonicFox have not said anything and should they have just listened and waited for more details? Yeah, sure. Same for basically everyone else in all of these cases.
Does that mean they deserve for people to go "oh my god what happened to SonicFox? :(" as if they were perfect or have changed? (or worse, misgender them a bunch) No.
People are people and make mistakes and will lose sight of common sense or fuck up.
Man, I'm not saying they have to be perfect. I'm not perfect. As I said, I empathize with the abuse and vitriol they have to deal with, I wouldn't want to be in that position. But both sidings serious allegations like this is 1) incredibly stupid and 2) SonicFox didn't need to say anything or at the least they could have read the room and waited before immediately jumping up for defense. If it doesn't involve them directly, all the more reason to take proper time to wait. It's not hard to just not insert yourself into things.
As for misgendering that is a shame and it was an honest mistake on my part that I fixed ASAP, and I believe on the parts of most people who have in this thread have edited their posts as well, as it clearly wasn't done to be malicious.
Also anyone else find it strange how Nakkiel had the twitlonger ready to go? It was posted 5 minutes after the allegations. I'm guessing he already heard they were coming from someone maybe.
He said he was linked it before it was posted, by a mutual friend.
If only they had Era so that they knew the correct response to have.
Short story:
I had a close friend, who I hung out with multiple days out of almost every week, get accused of sexual assault by his nephew. My brother came over one day and said he'd been arrested.
The shit is hard to deal with mentally at first. I know the guy, we've done so much together, rapping, talking to women, joyriding, fighting, making music in the studio, clubbing every weekend. Slept in the same room. Heavy drug and alcohol use.
How do you process that they were a lie? A monster? The story was the kid was lying because he was mad he disciplined him. I wanted to latch onto that, because this is my friend.
The thing is, you have to accept it, believe the victim, regardless of what they say.
But damn if it doesn't take at least a minute. But after a couple weeks the numbness wore off and I was like FUCK, why would this little child make up such a disgusting thing? He's telling the truth and this guy is now dead to me. I never communicated with him after I heard the news. Never will, on purpose. I hope we never accidentally run into each other, man I hope.
This ex-friend took a plea deal and received a 10 year sentence.
So I get what SonicFox has to process. You can't put it on a person to immediately flip a switch on a friend. That isn't fair. We aren't robots.
What you DON'T do is share your internal conflict with the world, especially by "both siding" the victim.
But hey, we didn't have Twitter back then either.
I had a close friend, who I hung out with multiple days out of almost every week, get accused of sexual assault by his nephew. My brother came over one day and said he'd been arrested.
The shit is hard to deal with mentally at first. I know the guy, we've done so much together, rapping, talking to women, joyriding, fighting, making music in the studio, clubbing every weekend. Slept in the same room. Heavy drug and alcohol use.
How do you process that they were a lie? A monster? The story was the kid was lying because he was mad he disciplined him. I wanted to latch onto that, because this is my friend.
The thing is, you have to accept it, believe the victim, regardless of what they say.
But damn if it doesn't take at least a minute. But after a couple weeks the numbness wore off and I was like FUCK, why would this little child make up such a disgusting thing? He's telling the truth and this guy is now dead to me. I never communicated with him after I heard the news. Never will, on purpose. I hope we never accidentally run into each other, man I hope.
This ex-friend took a plea deal and received a 10 year sentence.
So I get what SonicFox has to process. You can't put it on a person to immediately flip a switch on a friend. That isn't fair. We aren't robots.
What you DON'T do is share your internal conflict with the world, especially by "both siding" the victim.
But hey, we didn't have Twitter back then either.
Some of the responses on here are definitely weird.
If a poster said what Fox did on here that person would likely get banned.
I get that it's really rough for them but that doesn't excuse saying stupid shit.
But people in here are definitely handwaving some shit just because they like Fox.
If a poster said what Fox did on here that person would likely get banned.
I get that it's really rough for them but that doesn't excuse saying stupid shit.
But people in here are definitely handwaving some shit just because they like Fox.
The leniency for SonicFox's tweet is crazy. This isn't some random, trivial tweet with no importance and no impact.
In fact, that tweet has so much visibility that everyone in this thread is talking about it instead focusing on the actual allegations and actual victim.
SonicFox honestly needs to shut up when it comes to all these recent stories.
In fact, that tweet has so much visibility that everyone in this thread is talking about it instead focusing on the actual allegations and actual victim.
SonicFox honestly needs to shut up when it comes to all these recent stories.
My genuine feelings on SonicFox right now:
I understand these are their friends, but... fuck. I really hope they come around. :(
I understand these are their friends, but... fuck. I really hope they come around. :(
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Yep, I get that vibe a little too. People that aren't liked would get raked over the coals for something like this. People have gotten banned on here for less of a 'both sides' reply than the one Fox gave.
If they've had other friends recently that they've had to cut off due to allegations like this, it makes their sudden rush to defend this particular friend so publicly a bit more baffling for me. Wouldn't they be a bit gunshy after what's already happened and refrain from commenting rather than going all in to handwave these allegations? I get that maybe people are targeting them because of the association, maybe even trying to get a gotcha moment out of it or stirring some shit to discredit them, but that's even more reason to be more considered in your approach, imo.
Yeah a bunch of people seem like they're putting on kid gloves for them. Like if it was someone you didn't like y'all would be going all in lol
My genuine feelings on SonicFox right now:
I understand these are his friends, but... fuck. I really hope he comes around. :(
Sonicfox uses they/them pronouns.
The response they gave is awful too and I like Fox, just because a couple shares a house and a bed doesn't mean one side of the relationship can do whatever they want sexually. I get they are going through a lot with the FGC basically collapsing around them but a 'wait and See' approach is always a safe bet.
It's not even that one post either.
They are literally debating with some other person now that Nakkiel assaulting his ex-gf in her sleep is some sort of lack of communication.
Yo correct gender labels are important but it feels like everyone is rushing to bring it up regarding SonicFox as though people miss labeling them (probably by accident) somehow negates the fact that SF's stance here is shitty.
Again, not to disregard how important it is that pronouns be respected.
Again, not to disregard how important it is that pronouns be respected.
I get these people are their friends, but what Sonic is saying here is straight up shitty and honestly bad. Sonic could have handled this is various other ways. Stayed quiet, talked to Nakk about it. Not jump to handwaving
I understand the idea of being shell-shocked by all these people they knew turning out to be predators but this goes beyond knee-jerk reaction. They're actively trying to shape the conversation about it and making it out to be murkier than it is. They've shut up for now and I hope they stay that way until they're ready to retract some of those awful tweets. Or just go down as being associated with this dude.
Be better, SF.
Be better, SF.
That's what I mean. We're all biased and hypocritical but I wish some of y'all wouldn't be so transparent about it. Either keep that same energy for every person or don't criticize others when they handwave whatever shitty thing their favorite people said
That's a pretty upsetting story in the op and he's a creep for treating her that way. I'm really glad he was called out.
I said it in the last thread, but part of what may be affecting SonicFox's judgment (and what people seem to be skipping) is that Nakkiel's ex gf personally doesn't want to label him as a rapist.
As in, she explicitly says this in her messages.
As in, she explicitly says this in her messages.