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A little story to uplift this board, my dad is a 70 year old retired Vietnam veteran. He really is a self-made man, grew up in abject poverty, the oldest of 11 children, pulled from middle school to go work to support the family, grew up in segregated America, joined the military when he turned 18 to get his GED, put himself through night school after getting out of the service by working manual labor, eventually became an architect with his own firm. Like, honestly, an inspiration to me. His upbringing made him pretty firmly in the republican group during the 90's and early 2000s.

Well, since retiring, and since I've gone on obamacare for the last several years, his mindset has begun to change. He's come around more to social programs, telling me how much he appreciates that Obamacare allows me to have health insurance.

This whole pandemic has basically blown the doors off of his ideology. Every time I talk to him now, it's a different issue he brings up with who needs funding, how terrible the system is, etc. I suspect he's been stewing on these feelings for a while, but the pandemic gives him freedom to voice it loudly without fear of group think.

Today, he dropped the bomb on me: he told me he wished Bernie Sanders would win the election because "we need social programs, and we need to eliminate the debt of the common man." Growing up with my dad, I can't say enough how shocking it was to hear him say that. I, in a teasing tone, accused him of sounding awfully "socialist" in that moment, and he said "so be it."

My dad votes in every election. We live in Texas, so perhaps moot, but for example, he abstained from voting the last presidential election. Not the best decision, of course, but he said he fully intends to vote this time, and for "anybody but trump."
 

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I have some hope that this current pandemic has opened some formerly conservative people's eyes to how woefully inadequate our current systems are, but I'm not holdin' my breath too hard I guess.
 
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Something i hope most sensible americans can take a step back and see, especially now that we're in this time of need.


I pray it's not just the flawed system they see but the disturbing propaganda machine that also feeds it.
 
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Something i hope most sensible americans can take a step back and see, especially now that we're in this time of need.

He said "anybody but trump," and he also says "voting 3rd party is throwing your vote away" so I assume whoever the democratic candidate would be, unless some sort of miracle happens and Trump isn't in the election for whatever reason. But even then, it doesn't sound like any other republican would do what he's asking for.
 

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Good. These times need real systemic change. Having the actual president of the united states behind us would be massive for growing that movement and pushing us towards the votes necessary to do what needs to be done through normal political channels.

We're out of time to keep fucking around with only the most minor, incremental change. Obama's idea of moving things "a few degrees at a time" is no longer relevant. This pandemic put us in a situation where we're about to have millions of people who need help paying rent tomorrow.
 

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Happy for you OP. I wish I could say the same for my family though. My grandma thinks Trump is a god damn disgrace, but the rest of my relatives think he is the best thing happen to the US since god knows when.


Just a few weeks ago my uncle was spouting nonsense about how the Virus was actually a dastardly plot to destabilize the world by China and that Trump was the only one fighting the good fight against them.
 

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Good to hear. Your description describes a lot of my father. He hasn't gotten there yet, though.
 

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It's a shame something like this made him publicly change his mind. Imagine how better his world/health would have been if he had this realisation decades ago.

I don't mean to rain on your parade...

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He said "anybody but trump," and he also says "voting 3rd party is throwing your vote away" so I assume whoever the democratic candidate would be, unless some sort of miracle happens and Trump isn't in the election for whatever reason. But even then, it doesn't sound like any other republican would do what he's asking for.

Edited my post i saw you mentioned that at the end of the OP

That's commendable. I really hope there are plenty of others out there like him opening their eyes to the nonsense.
 
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I'm happy to hear that. Sounds like your Dad is a good person.

I've always felt him reasonable and willing to listen. In truth, what I think has opened his eyes to things is a combination of actually getting to experience the system first hand (my mom had cancer last year, and they got to see how shitty the insurance industry is), and that, in the past, he used to watch fox news. Since cutting the cable about 3 years ago, he no longer watches news, and actually now reads reddit and other forums for his news. Which sounds dangerous, but he finds the dark side of reddit to be "insane" so it actually worked out.
 
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It's a shame something like this made him publicly change his mind. Imagine how better his world/health would have been if he had this realisation decades ago.

I don't mean to rain on your parade...

ps3ud0 8)

we ebb and flow our whole lives, past experiences affect our mindsets. From my dad's background, I could always at least see why he thought the way he did. He abhores taxes, even today, because he said he had to claw for the meger amount of money he has (he's NOT rich, mind you). But he said he also sees the necessity of taxes these days, he says his main issue is that tax money is being used to bail out private industry these days instead of paying for things he uses every single day. Like paying money expecting roads to be fixed, only to see it go to prop up companies that then build toll roads. He said he feels double taxed with the current system.
 
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Look, I mean no disrespect to you or your father, but this is really something that makes absolute no sense for me:

A little story to uplift this board, my dad is a 70 year old retired Vietnam veteran. He really is a self-made man, grew up in abject poverty, the oldest of 11 children, pulled from middle school to go work to support the family, grew up in segregated America, joined the military when he turned 18 to get his GED, put himself through night school after getting out of the service by working manual labor, eventually became an architect with his own firm. Like, honestly, an inspiration to me. His upbringing made him pretty firmly in the republican group during the 90's and early 2000s.

Why would he be firmly republican? Why on hell did he support the people mostly responsible for all hardships in his life/his family?
And I suppose, since he is black, by the "grew up in segregated America" line, even the usual 'racism' reason can't be used.
 

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Reminds me of my father completely turning against the Republican Party after W. He (Like a lot of latino catholics) fell for the whole "compassionate conservative" idea and then realized that was bullshit after the Iraq War started and immigration started tightening down. He went from supporting Bush against Gore to supporting Kerry against Bush.
 

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Publicize the costs and privatize the profits has been the motto of republicans and corporate America for a while, its nice he has the presence of mind to see this instead of burying his head in the sand like other older conservatives.
 
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One thing I should clarify is that my parents have been through a lot of shit lately and it was really the kindness and openness of strangers that helped them get through. They lost everything in hurricane harvey, and when people from other states showed up and helped rebuild their home, like people actually got in their trucks and drove from virginia to texas to put hammers on nails, he said he'd never ever forget it. Said that people helping each other was the way things should be done. He bitches about how we treated Puerto Rico still.
 

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Two conservative friends actually agreed with me when I said Trump can't have his cake and eat it too. We need to pay peoples bills and send them home. Bail out essential businesses like hospitals and wait it out...

My Hospital system, that employs over 30k people, had a 25% furlough of the workforce. That should NEVER happen in a time like this.

They actually agreed. I'll keep pushing to see how far I can go with them haha.
 
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Why would he be firmly republican? Why on hell did he support the people mostly responsible for all hardships in his life/his family?
And I suppose, since he is black, by the "grew up in segregated America" line, even the usual 'racism' reason can't be used.

He's not black, he's very dark skinned hispanic. But one thing to keep in mind: when he was little, he grew up around Dixie Democrats. Something that might be lost is that in the south, the parties largely flipped during his formative years. Democrats in Texas were different when he was younger.

Not to mention his military background. My dad wasn't the only military person in my family, my grandpa fought in the korean war, and my grand-uncle fought in World War II. 3 of my uncles are also military veterans, there is a lot of vets in my family.
 
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He's not black, he's very dark skinned hispanic. But one thing to keep in mind: when he was little, he grew up around Dixie Democrats. Something that might be lost is that in the south, the parties largely flipped during his formative years. Democrats in Texas were different when he was younger.

Not to mention his military background. My dad wasn't the only military person in my family, my grandpa fought in the korean war, and my grand-uncle fought in World War II. 3 of my uncles are also military veterans, there is a lot of vets in my family.
Thanks for the response.
I'm not American, so many details of USA politics are not obvious. For example, never heard of Dixie Democrats, but the confederate flag on a quick google search explains a lot.
And for the 'dark skinned hispanic', I'll guess that in the end is just another "non-white" for racist America, so that's why I made the remarlk
 
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Thanks for the response.
I'm not American, so many details of USA politics are not obvious. For example, never heard of Dixie Democrats, but the confederate flag on a quick google search explains a lot.
And for the 'dark skinned hispanic', I'll guess that in the end is just another "non-white" for racist America, so that's why I made the remarlk

My mom was light skinned hispanic, her mother was light skinned but her father was dark. She could pass as a white person, except she grew up speaking only spanish. She tells me stories of her and her sister going to the laundry mat and her not understanding what the "Whites only" signs meant. Her sister would tell her not to say a word, that so long as they were silent and didn't speak spanish, nobody would throw them out. She thought "whites only" meant white-clothes only and was worried they'd get in trouble for washing colored clothes.

The reason she learned english is because she went to elementary school. She said the first day of kindergarten, the teacher went around asking people their name. My grandma realized the day she was sending my mom to school that she needed to learn english ASAP, so the only english she taught my mom was "my name is [mom]". So the teacher went up, asked her name, and my mom told her that phrase. So she was allowed to stay. Everyone else who didn't speak spanish was expelled, they couldn't go to school and were sent home. My mom said she sat in the class a while until the teacher asked her another question, and she said "my name is [mom]." Then another question, "my name is [mom]." My mom said the teacher paddled her and threw her out of the class, and my grand mother came back to the school and threatened to beat the shit out of the teacher if she ever touched her daughter again.

The experience scarred my mother, she said she had to learn english in a heartbeat or be risked being left behind.

Segregated America was some cruel shit.

To sum up the dixie democrats for you, they are basically the roots of the modern Donald Trump voting base. They were the racist members of the democratic party in the south who splintered off from the main democratic party in the 60's once desegregation became a major issue. Today, they'd be called DINOs essentially.
 

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Sadly my uncle has pretty much been the opposite. He's just doubled down on how great Trump has been doing during this whole ordeal. :/

He's a political black sheep in the family though. We're pretty Anti-Trump otherwise.
 

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More people need to feel the bern, especially considering the polices being promoted would make a tangible difference to confronting the current prediciment.
 

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It's kind of sad that shit had to hit the fan to lead to this realisation :/
Wishing you and your family the best, Krejlooc

It seems so late for this cycle to get a Bern in Pennsylvania Avenue, hopefully the damage can start to be mended and next go the US can begin its transformation into a country worth the devotion of its citizens.
 

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Publicize the costs and privatize the profits.

Oh, I didn't know that one, that's good. Explains so much. Like how some people in the past (talking like 2 years ago) on this forum complained about how much they had to pay in taxes, but when pressed to tell us how much money they made, went totally silent.
 

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my dad's not outstandingly "conservative" but i don't think i could veer him towards team bern (much less any dem) even if trump live broadcasted himself in lingerie guzzling goat's blood
 

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What is it about Regan and Trump that make them so worshipped? I don't recall the Bushes being like that, though W had some share of the popularity
 

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What is it about Regan and Trump that make them so worshipped? I don't recall the Bushes being like that, though W had some share of the popularity

This was not just a trend in USA but whole world. You had the leader type of Conservative or socialist politician. Thatcher, Kohl, Mitterand etc who had won multiple election terms and had huge supporter rallies. It is after they withdrew from politics that things began to change.
 
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To continue this, my parents have morphed into vocal anti-trumpers recently. They were usually ones to hold their political beliefs close to their heart (you don't discuss politics or religion was a mantra of theirs). But lately, when I talk to them on the phone, they are just brimming with things to say about trump. My mom calls him "President Dumbass" and says that the daily white house press conferences are "the funniest thing on television, because all I can do to keep from crying is laugh." Talked to her today, and she was full of jokes about trump injecting fake tan as a cure.

It kind of fucking rules. Anecdotal, sure, but it feels like Trump's press conferences are being noticed.

My dad, however, said he still thinks Trump will win the election. He thinks too many people have drank the koolaid, he said if they can swallow "there are things more important than life" then there is nothing that can persuade them.
 

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This is sort of an aside, but both of my parents were dyed-in-the wool Repulicans. (although neither voted in 2016 because they disliked both Trump and Hilary). They've both moved to more of a centrist Democrat position (they liked Buttigieg and Klobuchar in the primary, but now plan to vote for Biden in the general). I'm much further left than they are, but it's shocking to hear them talking positively about Democratic candidates for the first time that I can recall. I wonder how many other republicans have been turned off by Trump's shenanigans in a similar way.
 

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Unfortunately my (64 year old) dad is neck deep in the Fox News propaganda cesspool. I'm glad you have such a cool dad.