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Muslim youtuber, Dina Tokio, reads 45 minute worth of vile comments after she announced that she would stop wearing the hijab!
- Thread starter Kain-Nosgoth
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I'm not sure what you believe or anything, but generally the idea is that we support Islam on the left in order to prevent innocent women like her from being attacked by non-Muslims, not to allow other Muslims to attack her.
Muslims that just wanna pray and live their lives we defend. Muslims that attack other Muslims for not being "Muslim enough" by their own perceived extremist standards we don't.
You are not the poster I was replying to. I am asking BowieZ.
Since you replied, do you not agree the woman should not receive death wishes, and as the victim in this case, she should receive sympathy?
A thread could certainly be created on the topic of whether Muslim people will be less safe sparked by this incident, if you believe that is worth discussing. It is sociopathic to put that theoretical concern first without expressing even a tiny bit of concern for the person whose family is being immediately threatened in this moment. If you and the other poster had began by saying yes, it's horrible this person is getting death wishes, and (for example) made another thread about the other topic, it would certainly be far better than immediately attempting to draw attention away from the victim OF THE HATE IN THIS VERY INSTANCE who is being threatened IN A CONCRETE MANNER AT THIS MOMENT.
I personally can think the hijab is an oppressive tradition and not want to see it banned or legislated from a government standpoint. Here in Québec the nationalists in charge are going to make it illegal for public sector empoyees to wear explicitly religious garb, because they are supposed to be "good and impartial role models" (what racist bulshit). It is clearly a law aimed at muslim women though, how many teachers or cops are fucking peices of shit, even if they don't wear their religion on their sleeves?
Anyways, this question is really complicated, but the people that WILL be making the most money off this video will be the far right corners of the Internet.
Glad for her though, people should be free to live their lives in any way they can find inner peace.
You can go onto YouTube right now and do a search for Hijab and you'll find hundreds of videos of women in hijab getting death wishes/threats.
Heck, I honestly doubt there's a hijabi woman in the entire United States who hasn't gotten at least that much in person (and only a few that have been spared physical attack from a non-Muslim for wearing hijab). It's an endemic problem.
E.g., 27% of hijabi women in NYC (as pluralistic as American gets) were physically assaulted for wearing headscarves in one year, just on subway platforms alone.
https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/06/19/us...vey-trnd/index.html?r=https://www.google.com/
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If that is an accurate representation of your understanding of a concept as complex and integral as religion, getting an imaginary friend would be a step up for you.
I agree with this sentiment. It's the foundation of a secular society.
It's a shame that extremists ruin religious practice for everyone, because a good portion (or even majority) of practitioners are moderates. All of my Muslim friends I know in real life would encourage her to practice the way she sees fit -- and that includes the hijab.
Umm, pardon?
It's sociopathic to not want other innocent Muslims to be unfairly maligned because of these handful of vitriolic reactions? You sure about that?
(Because I'm telling you, the far-right will use anything it can to paint Muslims as extremist and anti-democratic.)
If you think people simply getting away from religion is going to push them towards open-mindedness and embracing feminism, I have some dissapointing news about humans.
No, obviously it won't. But that isn't what I said, is it? I stated a fact, that all religion institution is oppressive, patriarchal and outright disgusting.
Not all the comments were from the men though, there were some females one saying the very same.
In the Qu'ran it says both men and women should dress modesty, however it doesn't state how to dress nor is Hijab is ever specifically mentioned in the book.
Wearing a Hijab is optional, my mother doesn't wear one, my grandmother doesn't wear one as do some of my family members. Heck I have a cousin who debated on taking her hijab off and her dad was like "sure, go for it if you want."
Those men in the comments are using it as a form of control as they believe that women should follows the rules laid out by men but have somehow intertwined with the religion.
Islam preaches heavily that the only one who can cast true judgement on who's a true Muslim or not is God himself and you're are not allowed to act on his behalf, which also ties into her supporting gay rights because again only god can judge them.
She's practically a better Muslim than the people in the comments who displayed their homophobia, racism, sexist, casting judgment on her and her husband belief, threatening to kill her in the name of god.
But at least the male commenters in most most countries (or in hers at least) are seeing women with their hair out all the time. Do they view every non-muslim woman as a slut or does the act of wearing and then not wearing a hijab somehow signify sluttiness?
Further more, even if she -did- become "promiscuous" so what? Women, men, non-binary, all have sexual agency and should not be shamed for enjoying sex.
Holy books are made by men for men. Those texts have perpetually reinforced gender and race inequality for far longer than any other institution in human history.
Any men that uses the hijab as a form to control women, are not true Muslim.
What you have to understand is that if you're a male Muslim, you have pretty much got it made as they are allowed to go out late as they want, marry non Muslims, though my badass aunt was like fuck this shit and married a non Muslim, and only men are allowed to take on 4 wives as for some weird sexist reason. So they're are raised in a toxic environment that gives them certain expectation when it comes to how a Muslim women behaves.
A lot of modest Muslim, which is what she is along with my family, realise that some of these rules are daft and have no place in today day and age.
Its only oppressive if god and all religions are definitely made up.
I mean, it's oppressive just by the simple fact that if you don't do something, you're damned. That is oppressive.
I'm anti-theist in the sense that I find religion to be dangerous and this world would be better without it, and it doesn't mean I would force anyone to drop their religion, it means we should fight to keep the state secular at all costs while everyone can have their personal faith, you can't even control the faith people have that just doesn't work and it would be beyond awful. No religion should get any kind of preference or prejudice.
So... it's oppressive.
Pretty silly thing to say, using this example to generalise everyone else. I mean, her taking it off, and being supported by her family counters your point right? This isn't any better then those shaming her.
You knowits commons to see Muslim families with hijab and non-human wearing females, doing what they want, and it not being as contentious as non-muslims want to make it. She's on the internet, she's going to be used by extremists, conservatives, and Islamaphobes (inc Russian backed accounts), using those responses to attack an entire population isn't helpful towards her (who wouldn't want it to be weaponised against innocent Muslims) and the issue itself.
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Man imagine the kind of mental gymnastics you have to go through to look at a pretty woman with her hair down and say "ugh, ugly slut"
This comment in particular, how can someone be this hateful and evil but because of religion still think they are the good person in the argument.
To religious people god is like a greater figure than a father. Many people obey their parents as well (out of gratefulness) without considering it opressive. Religious people are grateful towards god for all the good
Yikes, fuck those assholes. I can't take reading a quarter of those vile comments, let alone all the ones in the video and all the many more that didn't make the cut.
Oh yeah, that too. Racists harass them. Fundamentalist cunts make similar comments to the ones in the video because it's never good enough.
Oh look, it's you again.
You're explaining why people follow the oppressive thing, not explaining why it isn't oppressive. Being forced into something through fear of damnation, exclusion, losing something of value? That's oppressive, whether you have... justification or not.
Well that's like a good chunk of the Muslim world. It's interesting how Egypt for example (especially in the cities) had more women not wearing the hijab decades ago than now.
"LET HIM WEAR IT!"
The old dictators were absolute fuck heads, but what we have now in our home countries is magnitudes worse. Religious dictators don't just care what you do politically, they want to control what you do with your own person and in your home.
There can be a lot of fear involved I agree. I think it's not opressive for them because they do it out of love. People restrict themselves or follow a rule out of love quite often in everyday life. I mean its strange when its about something u consider non existant(god), but for them he definitely does exist.
Any higher power that's going to damn us to hell for something as trite as a headscarf ~or accepting Jesus/Allah/Yahway/etc our savior~ can fuck off.
Being a conscious, caring, compassionate human being should be enough.
If it's not, your deity is an asshole anyway.
If I didn't do something everyday because my partner forbade it, because he'd leave me, or not love me as much, it'd be just as oppressive. It doesn't require supernatural elements at all. By the way, I should probably note, I am religious.
This comment in particular, how can someone be this hateful and evil but because of religion still think they are the good person in the argument.
Because they're idiots that have been purposefully brought up in sheltered lifestyles and taught not to question the way of things, at a guess.
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Well she is contradicting some fundamental Islamic teachings. As far as that religion goes she is a murtad (apostate) who deserves death so I guess these replies are par for the course.
This womans liberating moment ruined by several assholes who think they can control a woman's decisions. they can fuck off
I respect that. I'm different if I have to be honest. I never wanted to upset my mum so I've obeyed the rules for as long as I lived with them. I think if my girlfriend/wife, which I know well at that point, asks me to behave around other or specific women(not being flirty) then I would respect that. On the flipside i'd appreciate it if I could express my sincere feelings about things as well. I am religious too so this is how I can relate with those who adopt a way of life for the sake of the god they love.
She was reading for 45 minutes. It's not several, this is obviously a very widespread attitude.
What? Not wearing the hijab does not make you an apostate? The fuck are you talking about? My mom and sisters don't wear hijabs.
The part where she says a muslim woman can marry a non-muslim.
If we're gonna use that logic of calling out people who contradict teachings, then apply it to everyone.
- What about Adam Saleh who talks shit about Dina Tokio being a hypocrite and that Muslims should follow ideals of the Qur'an, despite the fact that this fucking clown posted softcore porn videos of himself? No one mentions anything about that.
- What about the countless YT clowns who post videos or comments about follow ideals, despite the fact that the hadith specifically mentions to not be involved in other people's lives, and to not judge them as man and woman do not have the authority to judge anyone else.
What is especially bullshit is focusing only on Dina when everyone else has done something egregious at some point in their life.
Saying that still doesn't make her an apostate.
Not to mention that it is unislamic to declare a person a non muslim without clear cut evidence of disbelief in god.
