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Frankish

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Oct 25, 2017
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OK, so your position is that he equated Bernie's victory to a Nazi victory and thinks Bernie might order him killed, but he's not saying he's any kind of fascist or anything?

I do not think he equated Bernie winning to a Nazi victory. That is a disingenuous conclusion from the clip in OP imo.

In the other clip he said he's afraid Bernie is similar to communist leaders who killed people. A ridiculous and unsupported opinion. But he did not call Sanders a Nazi.

This is a thread about Matthews calling Sanders a Nazi, but that never happened.
 

Grenchel

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Oct 27, 2017
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As an outsider, it's insane seeing the reaction to Bernie by the mainstream media. My dad gets his American news from CNN and was shocked when I told him that Bernie was looking really good so far.. lol. It's absolute madness, how they are acting. .
 

Rebel1

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Oct 25, 2017
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faceless

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Oct 25, 2017
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this kind of comparison can't be just thrown out willy nilly in a vacuum or a void.

historical context matters.

anyone that does so should not be immune to criticism or people pointing it out.
 
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I do not think he equated Bernie winning to a Nazi victory. That is a disingenuous conclusion from the clip in OP imo.

In the other clip he said he's afraid Bernie is similar to communist leaders who killed people. A ridiculous and unsupported opinion. But he did not call Sanders a Nazi.

This is a thread about Matthews calling Sanders a Nazi, but that never happened.
He went straight from talking about a Bernie victory to talking about how the generals in France caved in when faced with a Nazi defeat. You're being disingenuous by claiming that the point about the Nazi invasion wasn't related to the Bernie victory. He didn't just decide to talk about WW2 history for no reason.

If he cared at all about Sanders Jewish heritage, he wouldn't be making those kinds of allusions at all.
 

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I do not think he equated Bernie winning to a Nazi victory. That is a disingenuous conclusion from the clip in OP imo.

In the other clip he said he's afraid Bernie is similar to communist leaders who killed people. A ridiculous and unsupported opinion. But he did not call Sanders a Nazi.

This is a thread about Matthews calling Sanders a Nazi, but that never happened.
The thread title says Matthew's compared Bernie to the Nazis, not that he called him one directly. That's accurate. I don't get what you're arguing.
 

Aaronrules380

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Oct 25, 2017
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Seems pretty odd to make a Nazi comparison with Sanders when the opponent he'd be facing if he wins the primary is much more well suited to such comparisons in pretty much every way imaginable
 

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He wasn't referencing nazi Germany. He was referencing the overconfidence of Charles de Gaulle and Winston Churchill prior to the fall of France.
And yet in that comparison the winners are the Nazis, probably should have used literally any other example in the world of hubris, huh?
 

Frankish

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He went straight from talking about a Bernie victory to talking about how the generals in France caved in when faced with a Nazi defeat. You're being disingenuous by claiming that the point about the Nazi invasion wasn't related to the Bernie victory. He didn't just decide to talk about WW2 history for no reason.

If he cared at all about Sanders Jewish heritage, he wouldn't be making those kinds of allusions at all.
The thread title says Matthew's compared Bernie to the Nazis, not that he called him one directly. That's accurate. I don't get what you're arguing.

I reeeaaally don't see how he compared Bernie to a Nazi. I think he was trying to sound smart by using an historical example of "knowing when it's over.". I cannot understand how that is comparing Bernie to a Nazi. I agree it's moronic and in poor taste to even bring up anything about WW2 when talking about a Jewish guy. But I really don't think he called him a Nazi or compared him to a Nazi in that clip.

I think I've said enough, it's clear people are seeing what they want to see.
 

Genryu

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Oct 25, 2017
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Damn, first Chuck Todd calls Bernie supporters "Brownshirts" and now Matthews is comparing his win to the Nazi invasion of France.

Who on MSNBC is going to be next to compare Bernie to the nazis? Can we get a trifecta?
 

SolidSnakex

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Oct 25, 2017
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Damn, first Chuck Todd calls Bernie supporters "Brownshirts" and now Matthews is comparing his win to the Nazi invasion of France.

Who on MSNBC is going to be next to compare Bernie to the nazis? Can we get a trifecta?

Wallace, Scarborough or Reid would be the most likely candidates. Reid literally had a conspiracy theorist masquerading as a body language expert on to disparage Sanders at one point.
 

Deleted member 5359

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I dunno. I think he just wanted a phrase that was a historical reference and made a bad choice. It's getting blown out of proportion. He's just not very bright.

Give me a fucking break. He made a very tiny-brain analogy that could have been illustrated with a million different political, historical, or pop cultural references. He went directly to the one that casts Sanders as a murderous totalitarian and he did it only weeks after his rambling screed about being executed in Central Park.
 

Baji Boxer

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Oct 27, 2017
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He wasn't referencing nazi Germany. He was referencing the overconfidence of Charles de Gaulle and Winston Churchill prior to the fall of France.
That's referencing a Nazi invasion. It's also the same guy that references public executions when talking about Sanders. Dispite his rants, he's not stupid. He knows history and has been doing his job for a very long time. I don't see why he should get the benefit of the doubt, especially when it's become a pattern of his to reference violent murderous regimes and personal cruelty when discussing Bernie.
 

Watchtower

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Oct 27, 2017
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Damn, first Chuck Todd calls Bernie supporters "Brownshirts" and now Matthews is comparing his win to the Nazi invasion of France.

Who on MSNBC is going to be next to compare Bernie to the nazis? Can we get a trifecta?

Literally my first thought.

Can someone at MSNBC please let the talking heads know that using Nazi allusions for the Jewish candidate is at best really fucking tasteless? I shouldn't have to say that out loud but these days you just can't be sure of that shit anymore.
 

Jon Carter

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Oct 27, 2017
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I love defending people from being taken out of context by ResetEra, but his analogy is so incredibly bad that even if it wasn't intentional, it merits an on-air apology. This is Fox News-quality stuff.
 

Baji Boxer

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They need to fire this guy already.

Matthews has guest hosted Limbaugh's white nationalist radio show before.

Just want to comment on one inaccuracy in the Tweet. Bernie does not come from a family of Holocaust survivors. They didn't survive the Holocaust. His dad came to the U.S. as a teen in 1921, and the rest of the family back in Poland was killed in the concentration camps :-(
 

Doc Holliday

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Oct 27, 2017
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I was watching some of the coverage and Mathews whole thing today was generally positive towards Bernie and basically that the establishment has been caught with pants down. Weird analogy but I wouldnt read too much into it.

remember this guy was one Hillary's biggest detractors during 2016.
 

Dalek

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Oct 25, 2017
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What's the matter, asshole? Worried that you might have to finally pay your fair share?
 

Stinkles

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Oct 25, 2017
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What's the matter, asshole? Worried that you might have to finally pay your fair share?


Matthews wants a Biden or a Hillary but he doesn't hate Bernie. He'll vote Bernie if Bernie's on the ballot but he's far from impartial. He's going to keep boosting moderates nonstop till the nomination is done.

He's a cranky old school kennedy Democrat and he hates Trump passionately. But he's going to keep doing this kind of stuff and old people watch him.


He's also a slow burn constant gaffe machine at a rate roughly equivalent to his demographic.
 

Pandaman

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Oct 26, 2017
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Matthews wants a Biden or a Hillary but he doesn't hate Bernie. He'll vote Bernie if Bernie's on the ballot but he's far from impartial. He's going to keep boosting moderates nonstop till the nomination is done.

He's a cranky old school kennedy Democrat and he hates Trump passionately. But he's going to keep doing this kind of stuff and old people watch him.


He's also a slow burn constant gaffe machine at a rate roughly equivalent to his demographic.
Earlier today he was talking about how maybe 4 more years of Trump isn't so bad compared to Bernie heading the Dems. But go on.
 

Stinkles

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Oct 25, 2017
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Earlier today he was talking about how maybe 4 more years of Trump isn't so bad compared to Bernie heading the Dems. But go on.



I can't argue with that. I'm mostly going on what I hear before I can switch the channel. But he's not literally saying "four more years of trump isn't so bad."What he's saying is dumb enough without reframing it from rhetorical to suggestion.
 

Jom

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Oct 25, 2017
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I can't argue with that. I'm mostly going on what I hear before I can switch the channel. But he's not literally saying "four more years of trump isn't so bad."What he's saying is dumb enough without reframing it from rhetorical to suggestion.
CNN and MSNBC never "literally" say anything. They pay guests to say things, they present thing as hypotheticals, they quote random right wing people, they purposely misrepresent things subtlely with their graphics to get their point across. You don't really think a corporate media company making hundreds of millions of dollars a year would be that daft do you?
 

TaleSpun

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Oct 25, 2017
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I dunno. I think he just wanted a phrase that was a historical reference and made a bad choice. It's getting blown out of proportion. He's just not very bright.

Only weeks ago he compared Bernie's campaign momentum to Fidel Castro and earlier today said the Dems might do better to just wait out a second Trump term than to let Sanders "take over the Democratic Party in pepertuity."

So no, it is not being blown out of proportion. Matthews is melting down on live television and he's not even the only one. Chuck Todd just called Sanders supporters "the brown shirt brigade", Joy Reid and Nicolle Wallace are calling them an "angry minority" as though people are being forced to vote for a candidate or something. The network is very much having A Moment right now, as most establishment media liberals and centrists are.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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So no, it is not being blown out of proportion. Matthews is melting down on live television

See, I agree with your second point but not the first. This is classic weird Matthews. He's like the Denis Miller of political/historical non-sequiturs. These kinds of dorks have never mentally left their sophomore year of ivy league college, and are still trying to impress their professors with some historic quote or reference. Well, he has absolutely ZERO convenient references for a democratic socialist winning the Democratic nomination because that's not the system he's been kissing up to his whole life. So his already forced smart-boy talking points make even less fucking sense than usual.

He's not some sort of secret evil guy. He's just a dork who says stupid shit to give off the vibe that he's knowledgeable. But the topic and attitudes have changed and his usual act is just making people madder and madder. He has no idea how he got there or why it's not working anymore.