I thought I was the only one seeing it as convoluted.
It's like making Spiderman a mutant. You already have a reason for him to have powers why throw in mutation as well?
So you can have a cool after the credits scene I guess.
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Ms. Marvel Drops Major MCU Reveal in Finale Episode (Spoilers)(MAJOR Spoilers)
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It's like making Spiderman a mutant. You already have a reason for him to have powers why throw in mutation as well?
So you can have a cool after the credits scene I guess.
Really big mistake to try and introduce this retroactively after 6 episodes about a completely different origin but I guess it gets this show in the headlines.
Carol considers Mystique to be her "Green Goblin" so I guess I always equated that to meaning her main arch-enemy. At least she does when her & Peter go to dinner & he asks who her Norman Osborn is.
Kamran didn't have those powers naturally. Najma basically forcefully unlocked them, the same way Kamala's X-gene unlocked them for her.
My thinking is the bangle was just a red herring or the radiation just activated the gene.
Her connection to noor and all that just comes from the fact she's a quarter or whatever clandestine and her mutation would likely include that aspect of her genetic makeup.
If what people are saying is right thwn the bangles nega bands or whatever were a gate to the negaverse or whatever and the clandestine knew that and that's why they wanted it. But thats all they were.
When that musical bit hit I got shivers. I grew up an X-Men kid thanks to the animated series and seeing that they are finally coming to the MCU is just beyond exciting.
You're overcomplicating things to make it look messier than it is.
Aisha an interdimensional alien had a family and could access the powers via bangle because she was full alien, none of her family could unlock the power because they were half humans or more.
Kamala's X-gene allowed the bangle to unlock her power as if she was fully interdimensional.
That's all there is to it
Aisha an interdimensional alien had a family and could access the powers via bangle because she was full alien, none of her family could unlock the power because they were half humans or more.
Kamala's X-gene allowed the bangle to unlock her power as if she was fully interdimensional.
That's all there is to it
this really is karma for marvel comics trying to replace mutants with the inhumans lol
Hope she survives the experience.
Yeah good valid criticism.
I'm going to be over here with the hyped people. Hope someone comes and sits by you all so you're not lonely.
Yeah good valid criticism.
I'm going to be over here with the hyped people. Hope someone comes and sits by you all so you're not lonely.
I'm hoping Storm makes a surprise appearance in Wakanda Forever.
Meanwhile
"Marvel doesn't have any iconic or memorable themes except maybe the Avengers theme"
Marvel: *Does the thing FOX refused to do which is recognizing the immense popularity of the 90's theme and exploit it*
"No, not like that"
"Marvel doesn't have any iconic or memorable themes except maybe the Avengers theme"
Marvel: *Does the thing FOX refused to do which is recognizing the immense popularity of the 90's theme and exploit it*
"No, not like that"
I feel like there's literally zero point in tethering Storm to Wakanda when T'Challa is dead and gone. That story arc wasn't exactly hugely popular either, so calling back to it would be kind of weird especially without T'Challa around.
I'm like 1 and 1/2 episodes in and was enjoying it but I might take a lil break here on this show after reading this LoL
No issues with them changing her to a mutant tho - still wish she was stretchy powers but if the above is any indication there now exists a whole host of explanations for why it's hard lighty energy
Yeah people are complaining about the dumbest shit, Marvel Studios are screwed no matter what they do because there's always a bunch of "fans" that will literally look for anything to get mad about. If it's not right wing chads getting mad about Muslim Women it's dorks getting mad about musical cues and differences to the comics, as if the films somehow erase the authenticity of the comics they own somehow.
but jinn are not this way.
Just because the show thinks jinn are this way doesn't mean it is that way in real life. Jinn are described as so monstrous they are actually hidden so people wouldn't be afraid. People wouldn't just call anything jinn.
At the very least people working on this haven't done their homework.
I'm one of the 6 people who actually likes the inhumans (The Characters, not the terrible show)
I understand why it was changed but after MoM, I was hoping for a revisit to the concept of inhumans... Doesn't look like it's happening anytime soon.
Anyway, I can see here that most of you all are happy with the change so I can't be upset, I'm in the minority here.
I understand why it was changed but after MoM, I was hoping for a revisit to the concept of inhumans... Doesn't look like it's happening anytime soon.
Anyway, I can see here that most of you all are happy with the change so I can't be upset, I'm in the minority here.
extremely insane that people don't like that their bringing back the iconic theme song in the MCU
I expect a thread in the coming weeks titled "Anyone tired of the X-Men theme song?"
Yeah, the 90s theme being brought up is dope. I remember years ago someone made a Marvel Studios intro with an orchestral version, which I thought would be brilliant, but never thought they'd actually do it - particularly outside of the very obviously 90s X-Men inspired Professor X cameo.
View: https://youtu.be/5IaGh6g7Keo
View: https://youtu.be/5IaGh6g7Keo
Totally fine with changing her to a mutant, the whole mutant/inhuman thing always seemed really dumb to me anyway.
But it does make some of the choices this show made totally baffling. Sooo much of the Clandestine/Noor/Djinn stuff clearly seemed to fit into the Inhumans mythos and was building that way, so I was pretty shocked to hear her called a mutant, lol. Good change, but she's got a real weird, convoluted backstory now that seems to have very little to do with where her powers actually come from.
But it does make some of the choices this show made totally baffling. Sooo much of the Clandestine/Noor/Djinn stuff clearly seemed to fit into the Inhumans mythos and was building that way, so I was pretty shocked to hear her called a mutant, lol. Good change, but she's got a real weird, convoluted backstory now that seems to have very little to do with where her powers actually come from.
Rushed through the episode so I could participate in this thread.
Pretty disappointed, I was hopeful Squirrel Girl was showing up.
Pretty disappointed, I was hopeful Squirrel Girl was showing up.
Snooze, indeed. Doesn't seem like you enjoy fun very much.
I actually own the trade where Rogue and at the time Ms. Marvel teamed up against a alternate version of Carol named "Warbird" (which she did use in the comics, and was always stupid) was traveling from alternate reality to alternate reality killing Rogues.
And then killing Carols as well since in nearly every reality Carol Danvers does actually forgive her. For a long time she still hates her, but she forgives her. It's a good story actually. Brian Reed did a good job with it.
Fair. I actually forgot about that. But I'd still consider Minevera or Moonstone more her actual archenemy based on what they have done.
It is a bit hokey (In the BEST way), but I especially appreciate it's use here because it leaves absolutely no room for doubt about what they mean by "mutation"
You just know if it wasn't for that, there'd be people going "Just because she has a mutation doesn't make her a mutant!"
My guess:
Mutants have always existed, but activating the x-gene took some outside action.
Now, let's say outside action could be damn near anything, so long as it's tangently related to their power set, or something specifically designed to activate powers in some braid spectrum way. 'Inhumans' in the MCU we're just mutants who's genes were activated by the krees experiments and the mists.
But not every empowered was a mutant, some got their abilities in other ways. After all we have aliens, science accidents, exposure to magic, technology, and even supernatural now all existing in the MCU.
So how do we get mass mutation? Easy: the snap. When banner snapped, he triggered the start of x-gene activation in thousands of people. Over the course of phase 4's remaining films and shows we'll start to show those threads, as well as the inevitable conflict with the public and DofDmg, leading to a registration act and calls for a more robust counter enhanced/empowered force.
That gives us sentinels and so on.
The downside is that potentially makes a justification to make huge numbers of marvel hero's 'mutants' as a retcon, which would cheapen the mutant identity.
Cant wait to see how they handle this.
Mutants have always existed, but activating the x-gene took some outside action.
Now, let's say outside action could be damn near anything, so long as it's tangently related to their power set, or something specifically designed to activate powers in some braid spectrum way. 'Inhumans' in the MCU we're just mutants who's genes were activated by the krees experiments and the mists.
But not every empowered was a mutant, some got their abilities in other ways. After all we have aliens, science accidents, exposure to magic, technology, and even supernatural now all existing in the MCU.
So how do we get mass mutation? Easy: the snap. When banner snapped, he triggered the start of x-gene activation in thousands of people. Over the course of phase 4's remaining films and shows we'll start to show those threads, as well as the inevitable conflict with the public and DofDmg, leading to a registration act and calls for a more robust counter enhanced/empowered force.
That gives us sentinels and so on.
The downside is that potentially makes a justification to make huge numbers of marvel hero's 'mutants' as a retcon, which would cheapen the mutant identity.
Cant wait to see how they handle this.
We still had someone call it a red herring even with the theme music lol
This is a cool idea because it satisfies that need for connective tissue, but I feel like that just pens them in creatively. Unnecessarily.
'Mutants have always existed' works perfectly fine. Not the first time Marvel has revealed huge parts of their universe casually.
So instead of being stretchy and an inhuman, she has light powers through the bangle and a mutant. At first I didn't like they were changing her, but after watching the show, I think it all works fine. It's just weird that they decided to change her out of every single hero in the MCU, but its a good change.
Lockjaw is totally gonna be an alien dog Kamala meets in the Marvels.
That's hilarious given how they tried to replace mutants with the inhumans in the comics. God damn did the mutants have the laugh.
Cyclops was right.
Cyclops was right.
I haven't watched the episode yet but had this spoiled to high hell because the internet can't give people a second to watch it
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But anyway...
As someone who wants the mutants and xmen to be part of the MCU very, very badly, I can't wait to get more of this. It's very fitting that Ms marvel is the reveal, as the inhumans were always terrible imo and she should've been a mutant to begin with. Fuck the gas.
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But anyway...
As someone who wants the mutants and xmen to be part of the MCU very, very badly, I can't wait to get more of this. It's very fitting that Ms marvel is the reveal, as the inhumans were always terrible imo and she should've been a mutant to begin with. Fuck the gas.
If she is not a jinn then the whole Aisha story, flashbacks, noor dimension is...sort of irrelevant? I dunno I think they botched the show. I like that she's potentially part of X-Men crew but the whole Jinn angle was garbage and offensive as is.
It's okay, I don't need to join the circle of hype praising Kevin Feige over a (unnecessary) mutant tease with a silly little 90's music zinger that was already done in Dr. Strange and getting upset when someone doesn't like same thing I do. I'm quite fine over here by myself.
I just don't think we need these little teases for the X-Men or mutants; they're so well known you don't need to introduce them so slowly and with little zingers at the end of a Disney+ show. I'm good with Kamala being a mutant; it makes sense and better than being an Inhuman or trying to squeeze them in also, but doing it this way is just lazy and unnecessary.
I'm sure it's been posted but I can't believe this might actually happen
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If we do get her as the sort of new X-men member, I still hope they have Shadowcat and Jubilee.
I'm already thinking that's what they're doing and hinted at it in Wandavision. They took the time to say that Wanda's hex was giving off residual cosmic energy that has existed since the big bang. And Monica went into and out of the Hex a total of 3 times. Just like how there were 3 snaps on Earth. I'm thinking that those who survived all 3 snaps might have the potential to unlock powers if they have an X gene.
No shot they're going to de-power Cap Marvel in only her second film (I don't count Endgame since she was effectively a cameo with like 4-5 minutes screen time).
Yeah I think it's something like this but certain people like Prof X and Magneto have been finding the ones with the active gene and training them
And it really undercuts both Kamala's (and most mutant's) experience in the comics when she becomes Inhuman. Suddenly she has these weird polymorph powers. She doesn't know what they are, or how to control them, and is scared. In the show she gets pretty glow powers from her Grandma's bangle. She knows where they power came from, she can kinda control it, and she thinks they're cool. This was a poor and needlessly confusing way to introduce how mutants get their powers in the MCU, and how scary an experience that can be.
True. She is a jinn anyways from the sounds of it. Apparently everyone that has power is believed to be jinn by people according to the show.
They just can't write some super hero that happen to be muslim like everyone else. She just have to be different. Sigh.
I have been out of the main books for a few years now and missed that but I kind of wouldn't mind reading it despite the idea of an entire series about how Carol hates rogue so much that she's obsessively hunting her seems a bit against my thoughts on the matter. Could be fun.