Sony knows what they are doing also.
They all know what they are doing...
We believe in generations...
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Sony knows what they are doing also.
They all know what they are doing...
We believe in generations...
No corporation is immune to this marketing spiel.
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It's Something amazing to Behold isn't it?
Yeah but we will hear about it in december after the actual GPUs launch sadly.
If this ain't the truth. The tweets that point out how this has been known are so true. Even Cerny said in his presentation that they didn't use AMD had to offer and they came up with their own stuff.Wow at people being offended that MS is marketing their consoles.
It makes perfect sense for Msoft to develop with AMD so closely, with all their games coming to PC(hell they're working with Nvidia)
yes it would. you clearly missed the entire point / misunderstood.
no it's not, watch the Road to PS5 talk from Cerny where clearly lays it out. it's even been quoted multiple times in this thread.
It's speculation either way, and judging by their very unclear and non-specific messaging (as usual) it's obvious that it's not a significative advantage and the user of the word 'full' is purely a semantics
Based on the description, it sounds similar to what mesh shaders does so it's a mesh shader equivalent. No equivalent for VRS that I've seen.
VRS & Mesh shaders are not originally RDNA2 specific features, but Nvidia. MS uses these terms as they're linked to DirectX API. Sony has thus far only used AMD specific terms when talking RDNA2, eg Primitive Shaders.
yeah, lots of disappointment from naïve warriors looking for a gap that's not there
I mean... Is what they are claiming false? No? So even if what they are saying is true they can't say it because it feed fanboys?
No offense but what you just wrote perfectly exemplify the meme.
I think he means assuming that Sony has equivalent features for ever single RDNA2 feature. It pure speculation either way because Sony hasn't released any info yet.
As some of us have been hinting, it's in some of my posts. MS and AMD are gonna be doing this solution just to play catch up with sony or nvidia. All 4 have a vested interested in doing this tech right, whether or not it's together doesn't mean much to me only the competition and evolution.
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Wow, Microsoft is actually going for the semantics in order to fuel the console wars. Disgusting, both are takig advantage of RDNA2 features, one staying similar to PC GPU and the other with some customizations.
What the hell is going at Xbox management? The sexism in xbox Brazil, Aaron Greenberg and Phil Spencer fueling toxic fanboys, now this. Really disgusting
What the hell is going at Xbox management? The sexism in xbox Brazil, Aaron Greenberg and Phil Spencer fueling toxic fanboys, now this. Really disgusting
They are both marketing their machines as the better option, they always have and always will. Those who take excpetion when they do it are usually from those who are not interested in the product they are marketing and feel as though it is an "attack" and somehow link that into a personal jab. It's weird.
Of course they do. Even the BC program Microsoft did and mention not having to use boost mode set some people off.
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Anyone interested in some more info related to how these features might be used, here are some resources:
Variable Rate Shading Tech Focus and Introduction from Digital Foundry
Microsoft's DirectML presentation from GDC 2019
The mesh shaders (which we have signals Sony has a solution for) and sampler feedback functions in RDNA2 are also going to be an immediate benefit, where implemented, as described by AnandTech in their AMD/RDNA2 piece from today:
Variable Rate Shading Tech Focus and Introduction from Digital Foundry
Microsoft's DirectML presentation from GDC 2019
The mesh shaders (which we have signals Sony has a solution for) and sampler feedback functions in RDNA2 are also going to be an immediate benefit, where implemented, as described by AnandTech in their AMD/RDNA2 piece from today:
(This article has a whole bunch of details pulled out from the AMD presentation)
It is pretty evident that RDNA2 has some hooks to DX 12 features at a hardware level. If you watch videos on AMD's unveiling today, you will see that games using DXR is hardware level supported while thouse using Vulkan are not.
Thats all i read this tweet as. Of course, it is in MS's best interest to unify development across Xbox and PC by offering a common set of features (remember the handwringing about how the GDK made Xbox development difficult?)
And AMD benefits by leveraging technology from MS to compete with Nvidia
Thats all i read this tweet as. Of course, it is in MS's best interest to unify development across Xbox and PC by offering a common set of features (remember the handwringing about how the GDK made Xbox development difficult?)
And AMD benefits by leveraging technology from MS to compete with Nvidia
Really get out, Sony gets the heat also when they post fanboy fuel BS.
We don't know this. Both are based on RDNA2, but that's about it. Nobody ever official stated feature parity between these consoles.
Yep, interesting sentence.
Sony's RDNA2 does everything but some things are their own take and additions. It's pretty much meaningless to delineate and it feels like Microsoft are being quite petty. For all the things the PS5 isn't doing exactly like AMD, they have an equivalent or better for their silicon.
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So does anyone have the patents Sony registered that counter some of the features they might not have? Would love to see them.
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Because that would not create the console wars fuel intended by this approach.
Pretty excited to see those, vastly different approaches might mean some weird advantages/disadvantages
Two questions therefore follow:
1. Does Sony have a custom alternative to those missing features (e.g. VRS and Mesh shaders)?
2. If so, how performant is their alternative in comparison?
I think those are the major questions. MS seems to be touting them in the article as something more advanced than their competitors but we haven't really seen what PS is doing. It could be better, it could be worse, or it could be non existent. Who knows until tests start to really show the difference.
Interestingly, for this exact reason I see relative parity or even possibly a slight advantage with PS5 in 2020/2021 and then Xbox with a noticeable but not astronomical advantage 2022 onwards. I also think Id, Arkane, Coalition, Obsidian, Ninja Theory, BGS, InXile, etc. will do some really cool stuff with the tech, particularly in machine learning and AI. And of course Sucker Punch, Naughty Dog, Guerilla, etc. will raise the bar for PS5.
Considering Microsoft's overall strategy, it seems like the right move for them to stick as closely to the featureset in upcoming GPUs as possible, without going overboard with console-proprietary hardware features. Lowering the porting barrier between console and PC and such (however much it may actually be lowered, here).