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Mr X has ruined Resi 2 Remake for me.
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Play on hardcore and tell me there is no risk of been killed.
He's ruined it for me a little bit. Mostly because I wasn't expecting him.
Like I loved Alien Isolation but I went into that KNOWING I'd be stalked by an alien the whole game.
If I had known about Mr. X I probably wouldn't have bothered with RE2. Stalker mechanics generally suck.
Like I loved Alien Isolation but I went into that KNOWING I'd be stalked by an alien the whole game.
If I had known about Mr. X I probably wouldn't have bothered with RE2. Stalker mechanics generally suck.
I found him fine. I loved the strategy of ducking him and having football routes through the police station.
Mr X was a great addition. Once you know how the game works, Mr X isn't really an issue and can be avoided but even then, he can sometimes show up unexpectedly and that always adds some tension, especially when you lose him and haven't seen him for a while lol
That mod is bullshit. U shoot to is thong and it stays there. Where is the tyrant junk.
...Sorry, but how is that "masterfully designed?" That's exactly what the problem is. I figured out how easily you can control him in the very first encounter at the helicopter after running outside and looping around him, and he was never really a threat after that. A stalker that doesn't directly threaten you and that constantly appears just ends up being a nuisance.
The only real argument I've seen people make in terms of him being a threat is that he can chase you into hallways filled with enemies, but this only happened once in the 3 playthroughs I've done. I usually keep a certain path through the RPD clear and stick to it without much trouble, even when Mr. X is around.
The original Mr. X wasn't much of a threat either, but he at least gave you a reason to fight him with ammo drops and he appeared infrequently enough that it was an actual surprise to see him. The remade version has the element of surprise removed since he appears so much and his footsteps give him away, and your options are also stripped away since fighting him is useless. He could have been a pretty great enemy with a few tweaks, like item drops to make it worthwhile to face him or better AI so he's not so pathetically easy to maneuver around.
He's not really stressful to deal with in my opinion. It just amounts to seeing him, groaning, and then running down a hall a little ways or dodging a punch, then going back to business. I don't think he's hard to deal with at all, it's more like someone is pestering you by poking you over and over while you play.
he was the lamest part of the game..if you ask me..tota.ly unnecessary..so after i beat leons campaign, i used a trainer and peace out douchebag x
The cool thing is that this wasn't unfair. First, by that point he should have known the corridors had Lickers in it and should be hearing Mr. X's footsteps. It was a calculated risk, but he was bad at math.
Even with all that, if he had a hand granade he could toss it and get out basically jail free.
Wouldn't people complain even more if he was harder? I don't get it.
He's clearly not meant to be super difficult once you know how to deal with him, but he can definitely be problematic if you don't clear our certain areas right.
This game is very playstyle friendly. If you wanna try and be quick and skip enemies and conserve ammo, you run the risk of running into them later in the game.
I think it's very well balanced.
He's clearly not meant to be super difficult once you know how to deal with him, but he can definitely be problematic if you don't clear our certain areas right.
This game is very playstyle friendly. If you wanna try and be quick and skip enemies and conserve ammo, you run the risk of running into them later in the game.
I think it's very well balanced.
I didn't mind it once i figured out what triggered him. Admittedly I reloaded saves once I figured it out, but it meant I had minimal Mr X time.
In general, i hate the gameplay mechanic. Hated the Baker family. Avoided Alien Isolation. And may not go near RE3make assuming Nemesis plays a prominent part.
In general, i hate the gameplay mechanic. Hated the Baker family. Avoided Alien Isolation. And may not go near RE3make assuming Nemesis plays a prominent part.
Like a lot mentioned, it's not about Mr.X on his own, it's when he's in the same room as other enemies, especially lickers, since you can't outspeed him by walking. Best hope you have flash grenades on you.
It won't be RE3 if he doesn't play a big role.
It won't be RE3 if he doesn't play a big role.
I guarantee you Mr. X is just a taste of what is to come for re3. Nemesis is mr. X on steroids.
Didn't really bother me until I learned he could teleport, now that's just bs. Thankfully he's just in a short part of the game.
It might even win GOTY if the competition isn't strong (or DMCV), doesn't mean I have think it's good.
Being a big fan of slasher movies, I absolutely loved Mr. X. He's a great representation of Michael Myers or the fisherman from I Know What You Did Last Summer. The way he just stares at you as you climb a ladder creeps me out. He walks because he knows he'll corner you eventually. And somehow it's even scarier when you lose him, because you're not sure where he will cut you off.
After 10+ playthroughs, I still get excited (and scared) for his appearances.
After 10+ playthroughs, I still get excited (and scared) for his appearances.
He's one of if not the most important thing in the remake! Just a prelude of what Nemesis will be in the RE3 Remake.
Even though Mr. X is slow, he stills cause a lot of terror depending of what area he'll encounter you... It's just awesome to hear his steps while you wander around in the police station.
Even though Mr. X is slow, he stills cause a lot of terror depending of what area he'll encounter you... It's just awesome to hear his steps while you wander around in the police station.
The game has an adaptive difficulty, so it may vary a lot between players. On my first Leon run, he was following me without any real break once he appeared. Other people say he didn't appear very often.
Interesting reading the replies to him and I'm even more secure in my decision to go hardcore right off the bat. I might've seen X as annoying if it was just an element that halted progress in between auto-saves because the only segments where I felt similarly are a particular few bosses that took me many tries to beat and were purposefully planted near save rooms. On hardcore the entirety of my progress is my own precious burden and anyone threatening it gets a visceral reaction out of me. I love it so much.
"X gon' give it to ya!"
I got tired of the game of cat and mouse in the RPD, but I stuck it out and enjoyed the game overall. I thought I had heard/seen that Mr. X was a scenario B thing (in the original), so that'd explain why I had never encountered him before the remake.
I got tired of the game of cat and mouse in the RPD, but I stuck it out and enjoyed the game overall. I thought I had heard/seen that Mr. X was a scenario B thing (in the original), so that'd explain why I had never encountered him before the remake.
So if you are playing good they make him more aggressive and frequent or whatever?
I'll play crap on purpose then haha.
He only teleports for the wall smash, which happens once per playthrough (if at all, it can easily be missed).
The adaptive difficulty effects things like ammo counts and damage numbers. Mr. X patrols around the station in real time, he doesn't become more aggressive if you're doing well.
Once i played through the game a few times i realized that he has very specific trigger points and you can avoid it until absolutely ready. More so on the second playthrough "B". Also he becomes quite the joke once you learn his patterns of never entering save rooms, the chiefs office area, and when you first loop him around a table in the middle of a room.
Dont get me wrong though, he's stressful on your first playthrough for the first hour or so. But thats about it.
Or a flash grenade would have saved him too, of which you should have a few of during this part of the game.
True, although flash granades make character attack wildly. So I'm not sure if Leon would be able to get between two crazy Lickers and Mr. X punching the air without being hit.
The original Mr. X made RE2 actively worse, because optional bosses (especially ones that inexplicably drop ammo as a reward) don't mesh well with the kind of game the classic REs tried to be. Original Mr. X and Nemesis are at their core nothing more than optional boss fights. They're easy to flee from and they dispense rewards if killed. The problem is that the game has to assume you'll fight them and give out correspondingly large amounts of resources, which you can then just pocket by running by the bosses. Not coincidentally, RE2 and RE3 are generally seen as the easiest entries in the classic series (any difficulty in RE3 comes from being designed around that awkward dodge mechanic).
The remake Mr. X works far better because the game doesn't have to dump boatloads of ammo on you all the time in anticipation of a boss fight you can just ignore. He punishes you for getting lost, not knowing the map, not knowing which areas you cleared zombies from, which actually plays to the best part of classic Resident Evil (maze navigation) instead of the worst (combat).
Incidentally, this is one of the reasons I'm not too excited by a RE3 remake - it was kind of a mediocre, clunky shootbanger in the first place and the presence of Nemesis (who presumably will function more like his original version than Remake Mr. X for obvious, sprinting-and-rocket-launcher related reasons) virtually guarantees that it'll be too action packed. I'd prefer Capcom remake Code Veronica, which was not only an extremely flawed game that could very much benefit from a remake, but also reigned in the shooter gameplay and so is much more fertile ground for a survival horror remake. Or just make originals that focus on the high points of the police station and Baker house.
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My favorite is when he slowly ducks under a door. Just really menacing and further highlights how huge he is.
Came in thinking OP is struggling, instead to find the issue is there being no struggle.
TBF, Mr. X can easily ruin a speedrun/S+ run on Hardcore, especially on 2nd Run. There's times where I just couldn't get breathing room to finish a puzzle between him and the Z's in a room. Plus the changed Licker placement is worse, where walking is an issue between him and zombies.
Taking your time or on standard he's a chump. Those who are worried shouldn't, as he's hardly present and as stated in the OP is easy to bait and avoid.
TBF, Mr. X can easily ruin a speedrun/S+ run on Hardcore, especially on 2nd Run. There's times where I just couldn't get breathing room to finish a puzzle between him and the Z's in a room. Plus the changed Licker placement is worse, where walking is an issue between him and zombies.
Taking your time or on standard he's a chump. Those who are worried shouldn't, as he's hardly present and as stated in the OP is easy to bait and avoid.
Nemesis and Mr. X are very different both when it comes to fighting them and running away from them. Nemesis is much harder to avoid and infinitely harder to take down. Also, I think your logic that you have more ammo because of him is flawed. Yes, you could argue the game has to assume you are going to fight Nemesis and give you more ammo, but that's true even without him. In all classic Resident Evil (and RE2make) you have way more ammo they you need, maybe not to kill every enemy, but certainly to take more than enough to breeze through. Ammo management in RE doesn't come from having little of it, or at least that's just part of the equation, the other part if not knowing if you have enough ammo or not. And in that context an enemy like Nemesis who takes huge amount of bullets to take down will always keep you on your toe. That's why RE games get so much easier (and faster) to beat in subsequent playthroughts, that element is gone. That's also why when we analyze this subjects we have to think of first time players, and not veterans of the game who know all their mechanics, ammo location, etc...
I'd also like to add that even if we assume combat is a weak part of the Resident Evil, which I think is not that true in RE3, ammo isn't the only resource that is important to it. You're missing the health aspect of it. Nemesis can deliver extreme damage to the player and is very hard to take down. He is not that hard to ignore, that's true, but only when you're confident where you're going. Which first timers won't be. And RE3 doesn't give you considerably more health itens just because Nemesis is out there. To finish, I'm not sure if people will say RE3 is among the easy RE games.
I strongly disagree withy your assessment of RE3, but I can see where it's coming from. Its balance is indeed more focused on action, on killing key enemies rather than avoiding them (which is one of the reasons why it can give yo more ammo and still make you tense), on combat rather than strategy. But in the end, it still is very much a survivor horror. I do think R3make will be more action oriented than RE2, mirroring the originals in a sense, but that doesn't make it worse.
I think he adds lot of tension to the game because you have to run and have to navigate quickly through rooms you have not proper cleared of zombies. Yeah, you can outrun him but you still have to run. There were so many moments at my first play through were I literally said out loud fuuuuuuck when that beast came at me and I was running away.
There's actually a few other triggers as well. For example [icking up the grenade in the records room as Claire will teleport him to just outside and he will walk in to get you.
Mr X will take a swing at zombies. Saw someone play where he gave marvin a good smack across the head.
edit: Found it
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/369526940
02:41:00 into the vod.
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I find him to be pretty goddamn annoying. Being able to take him down and have him out for some time would have been good but he gets up after a minute or so.
At a point its just not fun anymore because you can't relax and play at your own pace.
At a point its just not fun anymore because you can't relax and play at your own pace.
Stalker enemies will never make everyone happy.
If they're not too powerful or aggressive, then they'll be accused of not meeting their potential.
But if they're too powerful and aggressive, certain players will become frustrated with that as well.
If they're not in the game, then you hear the typical criticisms against backtracking. Eschewing backtracking would lead to criticisms of linearity. Etc.
Mr. X is a special case and in my opinion the best of the genre, alongside Jack Baker. Mr. X is ultimately in the game to mess with one's familiarity with the RPD (either on the second time after visiting the basement or in the 2nd Run). He won't kill you if you're good, but you need to be tactical and have a good sense of direction and layout to avoid wasting healing items and time dealing with him.
If they're not too powerful or aggressive, then they'll be accused of not meeting their potential.
But if they're too powerful and aggressive, certain players will become frustrated with that as well.
If they're not in the game, then you hear the typical criticisms against backtracking. Eschewing backtracking would lead to criticisms of linearity. Etc.
Mr. X is a special case and in my opinion the best of the genre, alongside Jack Baker. Mr. X is ultimately in the game to mess with one's familiarity with the RPD (either on the second time after visiting the basement or in the 2nd Run). He won't kill you if you're good, but you need to be tactical and have a good sense of direction and layout to avoid wasting healing items and time dealing with him.
If he were any harder, I would have let this game fuck right off and not bought it. I finished my Claire A playthrough literally minutes ago and, while Mr. X never gave me too much trouble, he's still an imposing and challenging force that consistently put me on edge. Getting caught in a room with X and a Licker is a death sentence, and his presence makes it tougher to clear rooms and prevent those scenarios. I'm actually very wary to continue on to Leon B because it seems like he is far more prevalent in Leon's story and I just can't.