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Redcrayon

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I see 'taking back control' is going so well for small businesses that trade officials are now advising exporters to lay off their UK staff and 'control' themselves from Europe instead. Wonderful.

Exporters advised by Department for International Trade officials to form EU-based companies to circumvent border issues


British businesses that export to the continent are being encouraged by government trade advisers to set up separate companies inside the EU in order to get around extra charges, paperwork and taxes resulting from Brexit, the Observercan reveal.

In an extraordinary twist to the Brexit saga, UK small businesses are being told by advisers working for the Department for International Trade (DIT) that the best way to circumvent border issues and VAT problems that have been piling up since 1 January is to register new firms within the EU single market, from where they can distribute their goods far more freely.


The heads of two UK businesses that have been beset by Brexit-related problems have told the Observer that, following advice from experts at the Department for International Trade, they have already decided to register new companies in the EU in the next few weeks, and they knew of many others in similar positions. Other companies have also said they too were advised by government officials to register operations in the EU but had not yet made decisions.

Andrew Moss, who runs Horizon Retail Marketing Solutions, based in Ely, Cambridgeshire, which sells packaging and point-of-sale marketing displays in the UK and to EU customers, is registering a European company Horizon Europe in the Netherlands in the next few weeks, on the advice of a senior government adviser.

This will mean laying off a small number of staff here and taking on people in the Netherlands.

Referring to discussions with a senior DIT adviser on trade, Moss said: "This guy talked complete sense. What I said to him was, have I got another choice [other than to set up a company abroad]? He confirmed that he couldn't see another way. He told me that what I was thinking of doing was the right thing, that he could see no other option. He did not see this as a teething problem. He said he had to be careful what he said, but he was very clear."

Moss said it was now clear that Brexit was not about winning back control from the EU but investing in it to survive.
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Move to EU to avoid Brexit costs, firms told

Exporters advised by Department for International Trade officials to form EU-based companies to circumvent border issues
 
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Who could have possibly seen this coming.
It was completely impossible to foresee that turning our import/export/freedom of movement with Europe into a closed border with massive amounts of paperwork, while being an island linked by one bloody road, would turn out to be an omnishambles that would destroy small businesses rather than turn them into agile winners able to get the best of Johnny Foreigner on the open market. Completely impossible. If only millions of people had said 'this is a really shit idea'.
 
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Geeker

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It has now been 24 days and the gov has yet to come out with any changes or plans enabled by dat sovereignty

You would think Boris and the gang would have a bragging list ready of what they would now do to create the infamous sunlit uplands
 
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"But dad, what's that shadowy place over there?"
"That's the UK, Simba, you must never start a business there. Also it's run by hyenas."
 

Jimbobsmells

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It has now been 24 days and the gov has yet to come out with any changes or plans enabled by dat sovereignty

You would think Boris and the gang would have a bragging list ready of what they would now do to create the infamous sunlit uplands

Sunak has been given a task force to try and come up with suggestions, and Boris apparently asked for ideas on a call with heads of business groups.

They have no plan and no idea.
 
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It was completely impossible to foresee that turning our import/export/freedom of movement with Europe into a closed border with massive amounts of paperwork, while being an island linked by one bloody road, would turn out to be an omnishambles that would destroy small businesses rather than turn them into agile winners able to get the best of Johnny Foreigner on the open market. Completely impossible. If only millions of people had said 'this is a really shit idea'.

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Sunak has been given a task force to try and come up with suggestions, and Boris apparently asked for ideas on a call with heads of business groups.

They have no plan and no idea.
Yeah:
Mr Johnson asked business groups and top executives to come up with ideas about how to change regulations in the UK to support future economic growth, saying that he did not want his administration to be defined by Covid-19 and Brexit. The UK would need regulatory and legislative change, he said.
Basically 'help, give us some reasons we can sell as to why this was actually a good idea'. You'd think they would have had researched these five years ago rather than waiting until we left to go 'er, hi all, has anyone got an idea how we can polish this turd?'

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Sumio Mondo

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And to think this is happening in the middle of a pandemic that has already done massive damage to the economy on top of this. The government's response? More furlough (AKA bandaging a decapitation, as soon as that "band aid" is taken off, people will realise it's all dead). The unemployment levels are going to be catastrophic.
 

DarthMasta

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How does that work though? If you're making your cheese in the UK, you can't just open a business in France and move, can you? You still need the British cheese.

Or are the rules easier for B2B so some of these small businesses can move stuff between the UK and the EU easier if it's between "arms" of the same business?
 

Megabreath

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And to think this is happening in the middle of a pandemic that has already done massive damage to the economy on top of this. The government's response? More furlough (AKA bandaging a decapitation, as soon as that "band aid" is taken off, people will realise it's all dead). The unemployment levels are going to be catastrophic.

Yep, plus we have handicapped financial services, the countrys biggest source of income. Its a perfect storm.

I honestly think the Tories are going to get an arse kicking in 2024, if labour go all out in attacking the state of the economy, but then again they also own this "deal" so maybe not.
 

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Sadly I think the Right Wing vote is locked in to be the dominant force in the country for years to come, if the Tories face electoral consequences it'll be from some further Right-wing group that thinks "Brexit was done wrong, we'll do it right and close our borders...blah blah blah." The media will lap it up and nothing will change for the better.

The UK is in an era of hubris, where people long for the return of being the dominant force in the world but have failed to realise that we have been surpassed many times over by lots of other countries.
 

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Tangentially, it might be a bit confusing to call your company Horizon Europe, which is also the name of the EU's research funding program (was called Horizon 2020 before).
 
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How does that work though? If you're making your cheese in the UK, you can't just open a business in France and move, can you? You still need the British cheese.

Or are the rules easier for B2B so some of these small businesses can move stuff between the UK and the EU easier if it's between "arms" of the same business?
Presumably for the example in the story where it's generic packaging and point-of-sale marketing displays, yeah, the idea is they now have to create a new European distribution arm based somewhere in Europe to get around a ludicrous level of bureaucracy (which was part of the reason we were given for leaving), rather than manage it all from the UK (which, for a small business, is obviously way cheaper and more convenient). If they had to start up a new manufacturing arm on the continent because reasons too I suspect they would have raised that point and the loss of those jobs too rather than 'just' the few office redundancies. This is all just crazy. UK small businesses selling to Europe is the next step after selling locally, the border has now just made it prohibitively complex and expensive to get off the ground without just evading our new policies entirely. Makes me wonder how many U.K. businesses will now find their Europe offices being the defacto headquarters, with all the jobs and prestige that go with it, with the U.K. arm left as a satellite office because the paperwork is just a pain in the arse.
 
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The UK is in an era of hubris, where people long for the return of being the dominant force in the world but have failed to realise that we have been surpassed many times over by lots of other countries.
Yep. Also a failure to realise that being effectively on the controlling board of a huge trade organisation is way better than a) being a member but not on the board and b) being a small independent that only has one land border and it's with that bloody huge trade organisation.

Boris has got some cheek saying he doesn't want his leadership defined by this when he's been campaigning for it and making up shit about Europe for 20 years.
 

Firmus_Anguis

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Seems like 2021 is the "comeuppance year" for idiots.

I feel really bad for the initial 48 % that voted remain. Being sensible and still getting fucked by xhenophobic fucking idiots just plain sucks.
 

Jimbobsmells

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How does that work though? If you're making your cheese in the UK, you can't just open a business in France and move, can you? You still need the British cheese.

Or are the rules easier for B2B so some of these small businesses can move stuff between the UK and the EU easier if it's between "arms" of the same business?
Im no expert, but I believe having an EU entity will likely make it easier for companies to avoid certain tariffs, change your supply chain, operate bank accounts, and pay suppliers. Also a U.K. based company might be paying an importer / supplier who is bringing the goods into the market. That supplier might be more averse to taking on the risk & burden of customs paperwork now + they will share the financial risk if importing goes wrong.

Also I was wrong earlier about them having *no* idea what to do - forgot about allowing the use of bee killing pesticides on sugar beet and the review of workers rights which is being set up. You know, all the good stuff.
 

Puroresu_kid

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Nobody can tell me that remainers were trying to change the result. It was a moral duty to try and stop brexit!!
 
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Just you lot wait until the good times start rolling in.

You just wait.

Wait for it...

All the good times, you'll see.

Just you wait...

Bloody Remoaners!
 

Lowrys

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Tory party really is a death cult. Cut us off from the world, trash the economy and NHS and welfare, handle Covid as badly as possible, and watch as the Union disintegrates because NI, Wales and Scotland don't want to be part of the cult.
 

Xando

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It has now been 24 days and the gov has yet to come out with any changes or plans enabled by dat sovereignty

You would think Boris and the gang would have a bragging list ready of what they would now do to create the infamous sunlit uplands
Any changes would require them to go back to the EU and ask for a better deal. Can't see that happening
Yeah:

Basically 'help, give us some reasons we can sell as to why this was actually a good idea'. You'd think they would have had researched these five years ago rather than waiting until we left to go 'er, hi all, has anyone got an idea how we can polish this turd?'

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This is gonna end with the UK even more fucked because the EU will slap tariffs on them for breaking regulatory alignment
 
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Any changes would require them to go back to the EU and ask for a better deal. Can't see that happening
The EU would likely grant them a better deal... In exchange for binding agreements on multiple EU regulations (which would basically be like the UK was part of the EU, only this time with no say in the matter).
 

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Just keeps getting better and better....
 
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Tory party really is a death cult. Cut us off from the world, trash the economy and NHS and welfare, handle Covid as badly as possible, and watch as the Union disintegrates because NI, Wales and Scotland don't want to be part of the cult.

Don't forget destroying the BBC for not being enough of a Tory propaganda outlet (though they're really trying).
 

Spine Crawler

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It was completely impossible to foresee that turning our import/export/freedom of movement with Europe into a closed border with massive amounts of paperwork, while being an island linked by one bloody road, would turn out to be an omnishambles that would destroy small businesses rather than turn them into agile winners able to get the best of Johnny Foreigner on the open market. Completely impossible. If only millions of people had said 'this is a really shit idea'.
to be honest Im amazed that there was no food shortage etc.
 

Xavien

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Don't forget destroying the BBC for not being enough of a Tory propaganda outlet (though they're really trying).

Yeah, over the course of the past 10 years i've gone from stanning BBC as a great neutral organisation to cancelling my TV license (Streaming Services Only excl iPlayer) because they dont deserve my money because of all this "both sides" pandering bullshit and providing platforms to more and more extreme right wing organisations. All of that can be laid at the Tories feet.