Thief isn't an immersive sim tho, it's a stealth game.
I don't even think Thief was the first stealth game tbh
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Most Influential game of all time
- Thread starter Chrome Hyena
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I don't even think Thief was the first stealth game tbh
Man, people have a different definition of influential.
I think, impact and significance would be better words to describe some other choices here...
I think, impact and significance would be better words to describe some other choices here...
It was Thief that influenced the entire industry making stealth games. MGS was very simplistic, with pure line of sight viewed from above stealth. Every stealth game or game that uses stealth copied Thiefs mechanics.
MGS is well known and vastly more popular. But how many games play like MGS 1 does? Almost no game. Thief is everywhere
It wasnt the first. There are stealth games dating back to 1981 or 1980. But it was Thief that created all the modern mechanics games use to this day. its the first game where stealth really was fully formed, in all aspects. think about it like we do with fps games, there were games with first person perspective in the 70's. But only after Doom came out we had "a genre"
And 2D platformers using the template Super Mario Bros created is still happening almost 40 years later.
I dunno I say Mario Bros because it put the NES on the map but Doom I feel had so much controversy and birthed the FPS genre (to my knowledge) as we know it today so I can't really choose. I chose Mario Bros because it's the "oldest" influential game but I can't help but feel like politically and socially Doom had a greater effect when it came out.
I honestly think there's an argument to be made that Doom might never have been released if it weren't for Super Mario Bros basically saving the video game industry like it did.
DOOM:
- Popularized the FPS genre
- Created FPS multiplayer
- Made the IBM PC the main platform for computer games (the lack of DOOM ports for other computers like the Amiga pretty much killed them)
- Popularized MODS and embraced the community to the extend that are new map packs and mods being released till this day, more than 25 years later!
but from the options there, it's Super Mario Bros
Edit: Oh, ok, DOOM is there now
- Popularized the FPS genre
- Created FPS multiplayer
- Made the IBM PC the main platform for computer games (the lack of DOOM ports for other computers like the Amiga pretty much killed them)
- Popularized MODS and embraced the community to the extend that are new map packs and mods being released till this day, more than 25 years later!
but from the options there, it's Super Mario Bros
Edit: Oh, ok, DOOM is there now
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You realize, people are mostly responding based on the choices given in the OP.
Why are you acid refluxing the fuck out this conversation? Just drop your shitty opinion like everyone else and soldier on.
ffs the 90s DOS scene has like zero to do with Nintendo at all. Video games are not equal to Nintendo.
lol at the poll
Spacewar!, and it's not even close.
It basically invented what video games are to this day.
Simulationist. Combat as the central mechanic. Realistic graphics. Collaborative and iterative development. It's even a geek-friendly setting.
Edit: If we are to talk about "commercial" video games, then I dunno, I'd say it's a tie between Zelda and Doom. Zelda because big open-world, adventure game, complex mechanics, memorable music, etc. It's obvious many current video games draw from Zelda. And Doom because it's one giant stepping stone in 3D rendering history.
Edit 2: lol at Goldeneye and MGS.
Spacewar!, and it's not even close.
It basically invented what video games are to this day.
Simulationist. Combat as the central mechanic. Realistic graphics. Collaborative and iterative development. It's even a geek-friendly setting.
Edit: If we are to talk about "commercial" video games, then I dunno, I'd say it's a tie between Zelda and Doom. Zelda because big open-world, adventure game, complex mechanics, memorable music, etc. It's obvious many current video games draw from Zelda. And Doom because it's one giant stepping stone in 3D rendering history.
Edit 2: lol at Goldeneye and MGS.
is this about that videogame crash? That happened absolutely nowhere other than america and had no effect on nothing but consoles in america while computers flourished everywhere in the world? Cause nintendo didnt save anything at all and gaming was exploding everywhere. Doom is a computer game. That nintendo released a console had zero business with it
Ay, fair points.
I'd still vote Mario, though.
But is that reeeaally what we mean when discussing "influence".
It's more like, Mario Brothers had an impact such that the videogames industry was popularized again (—in the US, as Phantom and others have expressed). Its actual influence was seen in the game design of titles which followed after.
It is not about the first.
Street Fighter 1 had almost everything Street Fighter 2 has that was copied but they copied from Street Fighter 2, not 1.
Oh I know, I said that in a post way above. Basically any 2D platformer at this point (whether indie or big publisher/low budget) is still being influenced by Super Mario Bros in some way or another, it's impossible to deny that.
There's no denying the effect it's design had on future games, for sure. I agree. Most probably would.
that's certainly up for debate, Ghosts n Goblins came out the same week as Super Mario Bros. and many platformers play more like it than Mario.
You can't even jump on heads in Ghosts n Goblins. Or use warp pipes.
You're wrong.
It doesn't have to invent the genre.
A genre being inveted doesn't mean it's gonna be successful.
I was replying to a post that said Metal Gear invented the genre tho?
No?
I quoted your reply to platy.
Maybe you're referring to Lant_War?
Edit: It doesn't matter, if your intention is what you say, then ignore me. I jumped in only on that one point platy made.
Not sure how Goldeneye 007 is on the list but not Halo!
Is there a stealth game before the first Metal Gear(1987)?!
I'm lost now.
I was talking with somebody about how Metal Gear didn't invent the stealth genre, what's this about now?
Don't worry. I was talking about post 80. Like I said, whatever—I likely misunderstood your train of thought
Now that's a hot take if I ever saw one.
As for the OP, I cannot be sure about Super Mario Bros. I'm not sure of how much it changed things, was too young to judge or notice.
There's a decent argument for Castle Wolfenstein (1981), though its disguise-oriented stealth mechanics don't really resemble many later games besides Hitman.
SMB1 didn't invent the hop-and-bop platformer, it just created the template by which every one after was made, either by imitating it or trying to outdo it.
I don't see how anyone could pick any option on this list that isn't Super Mario Bros. I'd also take out Minecraft and Goldeneye and put in The Legend of Zelda and Pong or Tetris.
I think about this a lot. I think it's Tetris, Mario 1 or Doom, leaning Tetris. it's definitely not 007.