The game isn't out, Warner Bros haven't provided review copies and the rom just leaked so it's not exactly an outrageous suspicion
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Mortal Kombat 11 Switch, first 3rd party game using high GPU speed in handheld mode (See Staff Post)
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If OP actually has a photo of his/her copy I hope all of you catch a warning for attempting to derail thread for linking homebrewing to piracy YET AGAIN.
If not, well shit.
If not, well shit.
Not at all. PSP was similar; it's just to preserve battery (and probably not overheat) the handheld.
Why the fuck do you care about how OP got his game ? The thread is about this specific bit of info. Y'all are insufferable sometimes.
Very fair point. Instead of discussing some pretty cool information we are throwing more accusations around.
Because Nintendo only allows 1st games reach certain speed when in the PSP case, I believe Sony didn't have that prerrogative.
Sony actually locked clock speed until a firmware update:
https://www.shacknews.com/article/47564/sony-confirms-full-psp-cpu
3.50 came three years into the PSP life.
LOL no.
Any developer can choose their preferred performance mode.
Didn't any store break the street date? It happens in some countries.
I choose to give the benefit of the doubt, and the thread is not really about that.
On topic: is there a possibility that all developers can use the higher clock profile, but Nintendo requires a longer time to approve (make sure it's done properly, I don't know) and most developers just choose to optimize for the default profile?
I choose to give the benefit of the doubt, and the thread is not really about that.
On topic: is there a possibility that all developers can use the higher clock profile, but Nintendo requires a longer time to approve (make sure it's done properly, I don't know) and most developers just choose to optimize for the default profile?
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I don't own a copy of MK11, someone else tried it and check it was running at 460mhz
I own Breath of The Wild and checking freebird the GPU is set at 460mhz (handheld mode)
I own Breath of The Wild and checking freebird the GPU is set at 460mhz (handheld mode)
Didn't you say in a previous post that the source for the MK11 running at 460MHz is your homebrewed Switch displaying the current clock?
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It is, that's the only way to get freebird show current speeds for the CPU/GPU
Who knows if actual tech journalists have prepared pieces on this already with a lot more detailed info and now are being one upped by people not having to follow the same restrictions due to unlawfully playing the game.
Ignoring all the controversy, I'll agree with the people that feel the extreme lack of context for this makes it hard to form an opinion.
It's fine. Honestly, you should have linked to it directly in the OP. Never post anything like that without a link to the source.
More tests need to be done to confirm and verify it, not just a single post.
Staff Post: Piracy accusations will be treated as derailment.
Official Staff Communication
This thread is about information uncovered from the console modding and homebrew scene. As long as a hack can be used for legitimate homebrew and/or legal emulation, we will not be permitting derails about piracy. Further derailment will be actioned.
So this means Diablo 3 doesn't run full speed gpu?
I can see why developers would opt out of max speeds to prevent poor battery life. Diablo 3 sucks my switch's battery in under 2 hours (WiFi on, 70% brightness).
Strange thing is, Botw would last me longer... (Maybe my unit battery is already losing steam?.. it's only 4 months old).
I can see why developers would opt out of max speeds to prevent poor battery life. Diablo 3 sucks my switch's battery in under 2 hours (WiFi on, 70% brightness).
Strange thing is, Botw would last me longer... (Maybe my unit battery is already losing steam?.. it's only 4 months old).
For those curious, these are all the performance configs available to Switch devs (source: SwitchBrew.org)
The 460MHz max clock checks out.
Edit: Just read what the OPs source was, so deleted that part. Curious. I don't think Nintendo would restrict third parties from using the mode, I guess Shiver Entertainment is just the first studio that chose to use it, for whatever reason.
I'm more interested in the 1.8GHz CPU clock available in docked mode since 7.0, I had no idea about that. Limiting it to 1GHz in docked mode seemed to be coming from a desire to keep performance the same across both modes, with the intention for games to scale in resolution from handheld to docked. I'm curious if Nintendo has any games planned that scale in frame rate instead, going from 30fps in handheld to 60fps docked, that would use this extra CPU power in docked mode.
Not really. Travis Strikes Again is solid when it comes to handheld battery life.
Not nearly as bad as Yoshi.
This kind of stuff is fascinating to me. Given how different games chew through battery life at different rates, even when they're using the same GPU clock speed I wonder how other factors like network and motion controls affect battery life.
I'd love to see some kind of comprehensive analysis of various games and their clock speeds and power consumption.
I'd love to see some kind of comprehensive analysis of various games and their clock speeds and power consumption.
man Breath of the Wild is already using all the power on Switch :O
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From my experiments with speed setups there's no mayor difference in docked mode, meaning that even maxed out setups don't make significant performance bump, another story is in handheld mode where an increase in GPU speed (example dock speed) greatly benefit IQ in games like Hellblade, battery will be damned ;p
Just taking some time to say: Thank you.
The old place didn't have any moderation about the matter and I greatly appreciate the steps that ERA staffers took to better handle the issue.
Does anyone know right now if an official game can switch clock configuration between, say, levels or game modes?
huh thats interesting i thought the memory clock was supposed to be different in docked modeFor those curious, these are all the performance configs available to Switch devs (source: SwitchBrew.org)
The 460MHz max clock checks out.
Edit: Just read what the OPs source was, so deleted that part. Curious. I don't think Nintendo would restrict third parties from using the mode, I guess Shiver Entertainment is just the first studio that chose to use it, for whatever reason.
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No, the speeds are constant across the whole game, they are set once you start a specific title in a meta file.
Interesting enough it's possible exchange speeds in real time, in RetroArch for example you can set different speeds, and it's instantly, no app reset required.
Well, if a game runs 460MHZ but has a fixed resolution and has overhead most of the time, it might use less power than a game with a very flexible dynamic resolution that is maxing out GPU usage all the time.
Yeah I guess the clock speed listed would be the maximum for that game, not the speed it runs at the entire time.
Nah, is not
Even if is kinda outdated if you compare to nextgen consoles, Switch is much more modern and powerful when compared to a wii u, so expect to see a good improvement on the sequel
I'm pretty sure it always runs at the set speed, but CPU / GPU load varies. With a fully dynamic resolution, especially if it's always sub-native res, you're always using close to 100% of GPU resources (except for CPU bottlenecks, of course). BotW is native res most of the time, so there's probably some overhead and the GPU isn't always at 100% load.
Even at a fixed clock speed, a GPU (or CPU) can consume more or less power depending on the type and intensity of the workload. So in a CPU-limited scenario, or for a v-synced game, the GPU may end up idle for ~1ms or so at the start or end of every frame, and even though it's at the same clock speed it would use less power.
Interesting, I didn't realize that could be the case. Thanks for the correction!
I wonder, do they have to provide cause and analysis to Nintendo to be able to use these clock profiles, or can they just use them? Theres many games that run like dog in handheld mode and could benefit from anything higher.
YMMV, I guess? I have seen quicker drain with Snake Pass, both NBA Playgrounds, and Yoshi's Crafted World.
No, the clock speed is fixed, but the load isn't. In a menu, the GPU might be running at 460MHz, but if the framerate is locked and it's just displaying 2D elements, the GPU is mostly idling. Conversely, rendering a 3D scene at close to 100% load at 384MHz would make it draw a lot more power.
With fixed resolutions, most of the time the GPU finishes rendering each frame well before the 16.6ms or 33.3ms mark, most frames there is overhead, therefore it doesn't reach the maximum power consumption. With dynamic resolution, the resolution is constantly changing to maximize the resolution that can be achieved each frame, and so the GPU is generally more busy. As a result, dynamic resolution increases average power consumption.
I feel like Octopath Traveler was not that bad in terms of battery life though. I could be misremembering.
A Pro system could automatically run docked mode frequencies at all times. It could also simply translate the frequencies the games demand to different ones if they are not patched. The XBOX One X can run XBOX 360 games at 9 times the resolution, and force anisotropic filtering and V-sync. It can also run the games using all its CUs, and different frequencies.
All those are are calls to the API, given that it's based on Vulkan and there is a driver involved, it's definitely not a problem.
Even if it's possible. Nintendo will always give the choice to developers. Just like something so simple as video recording required updates for all software.