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That's the thing though, most people don't want to live in the middle of nowhere. Though here in the Phoenix area, they're still building a lot of new houses, so it hasn't driven prices up that badly. I'll probably be looking to buy in a year or two, but I'll probably have to find somewhere on the outskirts to get the space I want.
I've seen plenty of "heads" downtown sadly lol don't know which.
I can barely afford to live here with my parents somewhat generous rent. Can't imagine what rent would be like anywhere in NYC
If you look at these numbers as a percentage of the city population, fewer people might be leaving NYC than any other city. Comparing absolute numbers seems silly when NYC has over 2x the population of the next biggest city (LA).
I love NYC and go once or twice a year but always blows my mind how most people can manage. if you have roots there or a good job or "gig" sure but i'll make small talk with waiters and baristas and such and they'll be like "yeah i visited here once and decided it's totally for me"... like, how. do you live in a 500 sq ft apartment with ten people or ...
It's kind of scary to think what will happen to all these sprawling sunbelt cities 50 years into the future. Climate change is only going to make them even more hotter.
The city should really do something about this housing situation. Too bad real estate is the biggest lobby in the city as far as local politics is concerned
This is not true. You can find one bedroom apartments from anywhere between $900-1100. $1500 is only if you want to be near the heart of downtown in the loop. Average is probably around $1200.
Moved to Tampa 4 years ago from up north (Midwest) and it's dope. Surprised by how many people from NY/Jersey live here. Traffic is getting worse every year with the huge increase of folks moving in, but more and more buildings are popping up every 6 months it seems like it.
Bigger cities will lose more people even if the percent leaving is the same and they tend to cost more due to the high demand for space that will naturally exist in them, which makes them less attractive options to move towards compared to other cities, so this isn't too shocking. I think it's telling that the 3 biggest losers are the 3 biggest cities in order of size
Not surprised based on cost of living and commute times. I'd love to live in NYC for like a year and then get out, but I think I'd rather go to someplace like Chicago far more. LA is a hellscape tho and I'm surprised my younger brother has survived as long as he has out there. I'd end up going on a rampage if I had to sit in traffic like that every single day.
Is there even any reason to go to Oklahoma?
Probably that they aren't major cities.
The gulf between Chicago metro population and Phoenix Metro is massive.
I would kill myself if I had to live in Arizona (sans Flagstaff). I can't deal with it not getting below 75 degrees at night.
There's only about a 2-3 month period where the temperature doesn't get below 75. Its not too bad.
I think I read an article that stated Florida has the 2nd fewest native population in the US. I was born in Florida, and felt it's been that way since the mid '80s.
People need to stop moving to Arizona. WE LITERALLY DONT HAVE THE WATER!
Ahhh.... there are many reasons to not like Phoenix but music venues are not them. We actually have a crap ton now (whether or not we have a good music scene is another question.). Plus Phoenix is actually pretty diverse.... in certain parts.
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Sounds about right. I'm hard pressed to find anyone who's originally from Tampa or the Bay Area in general. It's pretty hilarious how my two neighbors where I bought a house are from the exact state as me originally. They really have to figure out this traffic situation with all these new people moving in or we're fkd.
LOL the metro area...which reaches as far west as the Delaware River, as far south as Trenton, as far north as New Haven, and literally all of Long Island. While the population of NYC continues to grow.
So yes...if you live in the suburbs north of the Mason Dixon line, then you are dying to leave. Also lol at the person saying they moved to NJ from NYC...yes you are part of this statistic.
The blur between "actual city/urban areas" and the "metro area/CSA" in articles like this are so misleading. It's done to prop up cities in the West and Southwest that are 90% sprawl and 10% city. Most of the places listed here as a place people are moving to, the people aren't moving to "the city/the urban area", they are moving to the suburbs, which are in the metro area, or within the legal city limits.
So yes...if you live in the suburbs north of the Mason Dixon line, then you are dying to leave. Also lol at the person saying they moved to NJ from NYC...yes you are part of this statistic.
The blur between "actual city/urban areas" and the "metro area/CSA" in articles like this are so misleading. It's done to prop up cities in the West and Southwest that are 90% sprawl and 10% city. Most of the places listed here as a place people are moving to, the people aren't moving to "the city/the urban area", they are moving to the suburbs, which are in the metro area, or within the legal city limits.
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Cental Cities should not be depopulating while the surrounding metro area grows (all metro growth is in NJ, not NYS or CT.)
You move to Phoenix so your property will be worth millions when the edges of America get flooded in a few decades.
Move to houston and you can join fart club. Its a club I started with my friends and random people i tricked on craiglist. We meet only once a month and theres no dues which is good for anyone low on cash
I have family from NYC who now live in Central Florida. Folks from NY Metro are plentiful and can afford houses and land they could only dream of before.
As always, the story behind these things is more complicated than the hot takes suggest. A deeper dive into the info is needed.
NYC has been growing every year from 2010-2016, though the rate of that growth was declining. NYC has LONG had wildly expensive housing long before that, so sudden discovery that real estate is pricy probably isn't the cause of people moving out in 2017-2018.
a NYT article sheds some light on what happened here.
Traditionally more New Yorkers leave the city and move elsewhere in the country than do other Americans migrate to the city in GENERAL. This is particularly true as boomers begin retiring and looking to move to the south and west for milder climates. The entire northeast corridor has this issue- winter weather tends to drive out retirees. International Immigration is what usually offsets that loss, and contributes to the growth of NYC. So, what happened here that the loss appears to have accelerated?
Unlike the decentennial census, the yearly census results are done via something called the American Community Survey, which is done yearly and relies on an estimate. Changes to the methodology of that survey for the 2010-2017 period resulted in a revised estimate of international migration that was 31% lower than the method used by the previous survey.
Or in short, the census bureau changed the questions they used to estimate yearly population. Those changes caused the bureau to make the assumption that international migration going into NYC was a lot lower in 2010-2017 than it had been under the prior survey. As NYC's growth has historically been due to heavy international migration into the city as natives age out and move elsewhere, the revision showed a slow decline into a loss.
edit: that being said- the Trump Administration being EXTREMELY HOSTILE to foreign immigrants, implementing muslim bans, revoking visas, ramping up ICE raids and similar likely HAS caused international immigration to slow significantly in 2017/2018 compared to prior years on top of the changes to the survey.
NYC has been growing every year from 2010-2016, though the rate of that growth was declining. NYC has LONG had wildly expensive housing long before that, so sudden discovery that real estate is pricy probably isn't the cause of people moving out in 2017-2018.
a NYT article sheds some light on what happened here.
Traditionally more New Yorkers leave the city and move elsewhere in the country than do other Americans migrate to the city in GENERAL. This is particularly true as boomers begin retiring and looking to move to the south and west for milder climates. The entire northeast corridor has this issue- winter weather tends to drive out retirees. International Immigration is what usually offsets that loss, and contributes to the growth of NYC. So, what happened here that the loss appears to have accelerated?
Unlike the decentennial census, the yearly census results are done via something called the American Community Survey, which is done yearly and relies on an estimate. Changes to the methodology of that survey for the 2010-2017 period resulted in a revised estimate of international migration that was 31% lower than the method used by the previous survey.
Or in short, the census bureau changed the questions they used to estimate yearly population. Those changes caused the bureau to make the assumption that international migration going into NYC was a lot lower in 2010-2017 than it had been under the prior survey. As NYC's growth has historically been due to heavy international migration into the city as natives age out and move elsewhere, the revision showed a slow decline into a loss.
edit: that being said- the Trump Administration being EXTREMELY HOSTILE to foreign immigrants, implementing muslim bans, revoking visas, ramping up ICE raids and similar likely HAS caused international immigration to slow significantly in 2017/2018 compared to prior years on top of the changes to the survey.
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Moving from an expensive as hell metro area to the middle of damn nowhere that's only going to get more brutal with climate change doesn't seem like a great move to me.