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More drone footage shows Uighurs, sitting bound and blindfolded, loaded on train cars
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You know, Canada tries to speak out once or twice, and now they have their citizens held hostage for political exchange of prisoners and people in Canada have mixed feelings about stirring the hornet's nest some more. It's not a good situation for anyone to try to be a hero, especially with America being incredibly unreliable as an ally.
Trade wars and tariffs and other sanctions aren't easy, and doubtful they will hurt the right people before hurting the regular and more vulnerable citizenry first.
Likely just ones that isn't likely to get a ton of attention (Like the US taking action):
[AP] US rejects nearly all Chinese claims in South China Sea
US rejects China's 9 dash line claims in the South China Sea. Hoping to see more coordination between Indo-Pacific powers to blunt China in the region. Quad will continue to serve an important role in the future. https://apnews.com/07dc9cff9d42047cfcf28799112eb59d China's claims:
www.resetera.com
there are articles about forced population control, organ harvesting, etc
Yep thankfully stuff does get out. It's horrific some of the stuff you read.
I know people hate Trump and America, I certainly do, but Even a broken clock is right once a day. You don't have to give the administration props for doing things, But please stop saying 'No one is doing anything' There has been several meaningful steps by the United States against China for a whole host of things (Ugyhars, Hong Kong, South China Sea etc).
I also know the UK government is not being viewed favorably as well, But they have offered 3+ million Hong Kong residents a pathway to citizenship in the UK and have struck down the Huawei 5G cell tower deal.
What additional steps should the West and the United States take.
Do you want a military or containment solution? You have the start of that with the Quad.
I also know the UK government is not being viewed favorably as well, But they have offered 3+ million Hong Kong residents a pathway to citizenship in the UK and have struck down the Huawei 5G cell tower deal.
What additional steps should the West and the United States take.
Do you want a military or containment solution? You have the start of that with the Quad.
Yeah I know, it's just that with covid and now this not to mention I live in the Philippines where we have a sea dispute with them. Sometimes those side eyes gets to you. fuck the CCP.
What is the general public's feeling in the Phillippines about China/CCP if you don't mind me asking?
Couldn't governments start to do stuff like ban import of cotton from China.
I mean there is a laundry list of things they can do, Maybe the Sanctions on CCP members is the first step. I disagree with Trump on pretty much everything, and I am sure he is only doing this for his selfish reasons, But I'm glad that some in the west is trying to stand up against China.
Not all that long ago yes I would have expected the US and UK to deploy active military if needed to HK and Taiwan to ensure the CCP did not effectively annex them and force them under their administration. We've now seen with HK that isn't the case and Taiwan is a different story given its strategic importantance in the region but now I'm not so sure.
Deploying into HK obviously opens a big old can of worms and I'm unsure if such an offer was ever put forward and perhaps rejected by the HK admin as they seem to be fine with the CCP apparently.
Hard to say I guess.
Why would you have expected that? We have no bilaterial security agreement with Hong Kong. I don't believe we even officially recognize Taiwan
America was never going to go into a shooting war with China over Hong Kong. If Hong Kong was an American Colony, maybe things might have vbeen different, but I doubt it.
I mean I guess just decades of stated policy not allowing such territorial expansion/aggression.
I would not have expected a hot war, just presence. I guess yeah too much potential to turn hot so that's probably why it didn't happen with HK. But that goes both ways. Large coalition presence on HK border to prevent all of those CCP forces from going in may well have resulted in a better outcome for HK.
Up to CCP at that point to make it hot and I highly doubt they would have.
Tawian actually is a case of US naval presence deterring aggression by CCP navy and potential CCP forces landing and slowly building an annexation there as well. Sometimes it might make sense to deploy for similar reasons on a land border.
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I mean nothing is surprising at this point and it looks like this is footage is over a year old:
www.theguardian.com
... but it's still very effective in demonstrating the human face (even if it's blindfolded). I feel like people read about this, go tsk tsk and then move on with their day. It's all so enormously frustrating, the CCP is carrying out state-sponsored genocide in the most blatant way possible. How the fuck are there not mass sanctions from the entire first world?
China footage reveals hundreds of blindfolded and shackled prisoners
Video shows what appear to be Uighur or other minority prisoners led away by police
www.theguardian.com
... but it's still very effective in demonstrating the human face (even if it's blindfolded). I feel like people read about this, go tsk tsk and then move on with their day. It's all so enormously frustrating, the CCP is carrying out state-sponsored genocide in the most blatant way possible. How the fuck are there not mass sanctions from the entire first world?
Well, at some point war will break out is my prediction. A lot of people are going to die either way.
Well majority hates them especially since they have been taking our islands/reefs. Not just the CCP but Chinese people from China since they've been coming here and working and not paying taxes and causing controversy. One example is since there's a lot of them, they have established underground hospitals since covid started and that caters only to Chinese without any proper sanitation, we get reports in the news every other week that police has raided an underground hospital with syringe and other medical supplies just lying on the floor.
I just can't see a hot war breaking out between China and the US/West. A cold proxy war in Africa? More likely imo
I think it's likely going to be China vs a SEA country first just due to territory takeover. Maybe even Japan. Then the rest of the world will be dragged in. Those old grudges and tensions are going to boil over.
The U.S. sanctions were put in place right after details from Bolton's book came out:The US has condemned this at least, although with a broken foreign policy I don't expect that to mean much.
China says it will retaliate after Trump approves Uighur Muslims sanctions law
"China will resolutely take countermeasures, and all the consequences arising therefrom must be fully borne by the United States," a senior official said.www.nbcnews.com
It also seems like the CCP no longer cares about maintainin the charade of decency.
Treasury Sanctions Chinese Entity and Officials Pursuant to Global Magnitsky Human Rights Accountability Act
Washington – Today, the U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) sanctioned one Chinese government entity and four current or former government officials in connection with serious rights abuses against ethnic minorities in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region...home.treasury.gov
This from a June 2019 meeting between Trump and Xi.
Trump asked China's Xi to help him win reelection, according to Bolton book (WaPo)
Yeah, maybe. Are there any China proxies/allies in the region besides North Korea? Honest question, I'm not really up to speed in that region
Genocide pure and simple. Imagine if Nazi Germany had nukes and that's basically the situation we're in. Sickens me to my stomach.
Time to fully divest from China. We've let these things fly for too long and the abuses are getting far worse under Winnie the Pooh.
Time to fully divest from China. We've let these things fly for too long and the abuses are getting far worse under Winnie the Pooh.
China will never attack Japan, the cost wouldn't be worth the benefit. A country like Vietnam though? I could see it happening. China deploying troops to Vietnam would be a Germany invading Poland moment. The world would be irrevocably changed after it happens.
Disturbing video shows hundreds of blindfolded prisoners in Xinjiang - CNN
A drone video appearing to show hundreds of blindfolded men being led from a train in China has raised new concerns over the ongoing crackdown on Muslim Uyghurs in the far western region of Xinjiang.
The article cites an unnamed western intelligence official who believes it's authentic. Two Muslims who were detained in reeducation camp have also said the video matches their experiences. This can never be 100% verified because China is never going to straight up admit to what they are doing.
But honestly I'm not sure why it matters that much, it's not like this one video is the only proof we have of how China is treating the Uyghurs.
As always, the West(Americans especially) don't give a fuck about muslims. Either in China or with Israel genociding people. Democrats, Republicans, Trump, Hillary, Biden, it doesn't matter, they'll keep sucking the dicks of China and Israel until the end of time.
Absolutely horrifying. Even more depressing that on top of the majority of the western world being quiet about this, even some Islamic countries choose to side with China because the CCP is perceived as the lesser evil.
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im not equivocating or anything hereDisturbing video shows hundreds of blindfolded prisoners in Xinjiang - CNN
A drone video appearing to show hundreds of blindfolded men being led from a train in China has raised new concerns over the ongoing crackdown on Muslim Uyghurs in the far western region of Xinjiang.www.cnn.com
The article cites an unnamed western intelligence official who believes it's authentic. Two Muslims who were detained in reeducation camp have also said the video matches their experiences. This can never be 100% verified because China is never going to straight up admit to what they are doing.
But honestly I'm not sure why it matters that much, it's not like this one video is the only proof we have of how China is treating the Uyghurs.
but... are "unnamed western intelligence officials" reputable? historically, i'd say no.
still, there need to be answers for this because it looks, well, REALLY bad.
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'China Succeeding in Doing What Hitler Failed to Do With Jews': Historian Lifts Lid Off Atrocities Against Uighur Muslims
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‘China Succeeding in Doing What Hitler Failed to Do With Jews’: Historian Lifts Lid Off Atrocities Against Uighur Muslims - News18
Olsi Jazexhi said OIC countries were aware of China's actions but simply did not care as it supplies them with weapons, high tech and money.
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r/worldnews - Comment by u/HadHerses on ”‘China Succeeding in Doing What Hitler Failed to Do With Jews’: Historian Lifts Lid Off Atrocities Against Uighur Muslims”
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That's because the US would invade them on a dime whereas china commits atrocities back home their far less likely to directly interfere with their affairs. It's an awful situation.
This depressingly looks like the 2nd act of Schindler's List but with slightly more color.
While it seems they aren't going for mass extermination based on other reports they still, according to such reports, committing cultural genocide with a dash of half assed murdering.
While it seems they aren't going for mass extermination based on other reports they still, according to such reports, committing cultural genocide with a dash of half assed murdering.
Like I said, there is no way to 100% verify what's going on in this particular video. However, there is a lot of evidence of China's mistreatment of Uighurs so it sure feels suspect to see people acting like the video is the one thing that could prove or disprove the existence of reeduction camps.
We have:
A leaked database showing how China detains and monitors Uighurs :
China ‘war on terror’ uproots Uighur families, leaked data shows
Newly revealed database exposes methods the Chinese government employed to crack down on Muslim minorities in Xinjiang.
400 pages of leaked documents showing how China organizes their crackdowns:
‘Absolutely No Mercy’: Leaked Files Expose How China Organized Mass Detentions of Muslims (Published 2019)
More than 400 pages of internal Chinese documents provide an unprecedented inside look at the crackdown on ethnic minorities in the Xinjiang region.
Evidence that Uighurs are forced to work in labor camps:
Growing evidence Uighurs forced to work in China factories-report
Report finds Uighurs working in Chinese factories that are in the supply chains of 83 global brands.
Etc.
It's bizarre to me to go on twitter and see so many lefties (ostensibly the people who are supposed to care about human rights) take this weird, unjustified agnostic position.
Not to stray off topic but the footage shared by OP is nearly a year old. This isn't new.
I think it's important for folks to know that this has been going on for a long, long time.
I think it's important for folks to know that this has been going on for a long, long time.
People are blinded when it comes to international issues when they focus too much on domestic issues.Like I said, there is no way to 100% verify what's going on in this particular video. However, there is a lot of evidence of China's mistreatment of Uighurs so it sure feels suspect to see people acting like the video is the one thing that could prove or disprove the existence of reeduction camps.
We have:
A leaked database showing how China detains and monitors Uighurs :
China ‘war on terror’ uproots Uighur families, leaked data shows
Newly revealed database exposes methods the Chinese government employed to crack down on Muslim minorities in Xinjiang.www.aljazeera.com
400 pages of leaked documents showing how China organizes their crackdowns:
‘Absolutely No Mercy’: Leaked Files Expose How China Organized Mass Detentions of Muslims (Published 2019)
More than 400 pages of internal Chinese documents provide an unprecedented inside look at the crackdown on ethnic minorities in the Xinjiang region.www.nytimes.com
Evidence that Uighurs are forced to work in labor camps:
Growing evidence Uighurs forced to work in China factories-report
Report finds Uighurs working in Chinese factories that are in the supply chains of 83 global brands.
Etc.
It's bizarre to me to go on twitter and see so many lefties (ostensibly the people who are supposed to care about human rights) take this weird, unjustified agnostic position.
Trump is bad so Iran couldn't have mined those cargo ships.
Marco Rubio is bad so any anti-CCP stance by the US government is flawed and misguided.
It's absolutely fair to distrust the US and recognize that it's a shockingly flawed country at the best of times and a fairly awful one now, but people who cheer on the Iranian government, people who cheered on Hugo Chavez or the CCP simply because they are against the US are missing the plot a bit.
We have people on this website who give the CCP the benefit of the doubt on an awfully consistent basis.
They reject the US Navy's presence in the Pacific on the grounds that they want to avoid conflict with China at all costs, which is understandable enough, but then they also reject any and all economic punishment against China--at which point, it's hard to argue you're just not an apologist for a country perpetrating what is unambiguously a modern day Holocaust.
They reject the US Navy's presence in the Pacific on the grounds that they want to avoid conflict with China at all costs, which is understandable enough, but then they also reject any and all economic punishment against China--at which point, it's hard to argue you're just not an apologist for a country perpetrating what is unambiguously a modern day Holocaust.
China has that much political and economic influence in the world right now, that the only thing you'll get from the UN right know is a "we are deeply concerned" statement. Nobody will intervene unless China does something that directly affect another country, like starting a war, but even that has some fine print, like what happened with Crimea's annexation by Russia.
TL;DR: Country-led groups in general have no say in current global affairs, unless it's about economic cooperation. No country will stand up and do something unless it directly affects them, or have something to gain in exchange.
TL;DR: Country-led groups in general have no say in current global affairs, unless it's about economic cooperation. No country will stand up and do something unless it directly affects them, or have something to gain in exchange.
