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Mordhau looked for (free) translators for Korean, Chinese before launch
- Thread starter Jintor
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The devs could have just said or did nothing and eventually somebody would've translated the game for them.
Instead they decided to show their asses.
Instead they decided to show their asses.
Having worked in localization myself, and knowing the amount of work that goes into it, this is pretty damn insulting.
It's stuff like this that motivated us to pay our localizers high rates across all of our games, and credit them in-game every time.
It's stuff like this that motivated us to pay our localizers high rates across all of our games, and credit them in-game every time.
Oh ma gawd, finally I could put my bilingualism for exposure bucks! In celebration, I'm going to pay for my expensive steak dinners by telling them I'll upload a photo of their steaks on my IG with ... 3 followers.
... Wait, how do I pay for food with exposure bucks...
... Wait, how do I pay for food with exposure bucks...
Where do I apply? I don't know either language but I know Google Translate. I'll do it for the exposure!
Mordhau 개발자는 멍청이이며 당신은 그들의 게임을 구매해서는 안됩니다.
Boom, that's free. Put that on the Steam page.
Mordhau 개발자는 멍청이이며 당신은 그들의 게임을 구매해서는 안됩니다.
Boom, that's free. Put that on the Steam page.
For better or for worse, freelance/indie artists, designers, and programmers in the industry who are looking for entry level work take no-pay deals all the time. The industry is difficult to break into, and you need experience. I've done my fair share of free labor for indie projects, some out of love for the projects vision and some because I wanted to include the experience on my resume. While it is unfortunate, this is common in indie development and just kind of a facet of the entry level game industry. Now im speaking as a designer / 3d artist, translators are fairly different roles, but to the developers its a similar process.
For better or for worse? I'm pretty sure we can all agree it's just one of those-- and probably not the one you're thinking based on the content of your post.
To be fair, before it was released there was absolutely no guarantee it would have sold even a fraction of the amount it has now. Not saying that to justify them not offering paid localization work, but during development it was pretty much just a bunch of Chivalry fans loosely forming a ragtag online studio (which I guess still holds true).
Hey, do you think small guy Valve could pay professional translator? Gabe only has a pair of billions in the bank
It has already been made clear that the request for free localizers has been made prior to the release and success of the game. All post after this fact attacking Mordhau devs are purely malicious and intentionally disruptive. Your Two Minutes of Hate has run out.
This is was posted prior to the release date and no one expected the success, also the game has simplified chinese subs.
I really do think that Valve should do the translations of Steam and their own games themselves. The STS would've been great if more indie games signed up for it, but as of right now, there are only 4 indie games that supports translations through STS. The other problem is Store pages which is awesome if they all could be translated (most larger companies already got translations of their games storepage in most languages), but "volunteers" should regularly be rewarded to do that dirty work, even if only with Steam money. I was once a volunteer at STS and there were really cool rewards during the launch of Dota 2 but I haven't really bothered since cuz I ain't no tool.
Damn, we need more people like you xD When we are working with agencies, we never get mentioned in the credits, because we are the freelancers behind their company. I kinda understand that you don't want to mention a potential competitor in the field, but we are so small, it would definitely not hurt anyone.
You do realise that how wealthy you are has abso-fucking-lutely no bearing on whether or not you should pay the people working for you, right?
You aren't entitled to free labour just because you're poor. I would have thought that would be common sense, but there's a fair few posts that seem to think otherwise.
Yep... Presenting the old info to manufacture a controversy ;(
Don't try to profit off free labor, it's disgusting, no matter how rich or poor you might be.
Relevant twitter profile: https://twitter.com/forexposure_txt
Relevant twitter profile: https://twitter.com/forexposure_txt
Eh... Real life doesn't work like that. I just tried buying a house with my exposure bucks, but they just kicked me out. I thought it was just fancy restaurants that don't take exposure bucks, turn out quite a few places don't. I don't know why they think exposure bucks isn't good enough for their work when it's good enough for mine!
Please show a list of merchants that take exposure bucks if you're going to make a claim like that. We don't want any aspiring freelancers getting the wrong idea.
I'm trying to figure out if "Two Minutes of Hate" is comparing criticism of unpaid labour to novel about totalitarianism.
Because on the one hand, I get a small studio trying to get as much as they can out of on goodwill because they don't have the resources to do everything they want to do, on the other hand, come on man.
On the upside(?), this is probably not as bad as the fanbase full of Nazis thing.
Even if the game bombed, how can you expect people to do work for you for free -- knowing their work will help you sell the game in the future -- and then profit off it?
I will, but first I must know if those freelancers are actually exposed enough.
So any aspiring web designer reading this, just help me design this website I have in mind (I'll tell people you made it, of course) , and I'll get you that list right away. Eventually.
Because they might be fans who already kickstart/support the game?
Have you not read any of the forums, like this one, where the players will consistently give feedback, suggestions and bug reports free of charge?
The roles fans/Kickstarters play are different from the roles of people who are effectively contracted to do work for Triternion.
Giving bug reports to a developer is no different than a customer reporting a problem with their product. I'm not entitled to get paid wages for finding these bugs, because my role is different from that of a QA tester, who *should* be paid if they're working in an official capacity for Triternion.
Besides, how fucked up would it be for *me* to back the game with my money, and in exchange Triternion makes me do their work for them?!
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Yep, exactly. With that in mind, that mean they don't even respect their own game. But I think they don't really know this word, so...
A name in the credits, huh? That's really something. People deserve to be paid and paid well for skilled work - I'll never not be infuriated by this kind of thing.
Reading through this twitter account is depressing and makes me irrationally angry.
Ahhh yes, "more companies do this fucked up thing so it's ok", a classic
Lol.
Kinda reminds me of this story from last month.
The best bit is they will offer a discount on your product. Not, oh they'll get you sales at full price. No, they'll offer discounts for something they don't own.
I see it happen all the time in non-commercial software, mods, open source projects, etc.
Not with a paid game.
Not with a paid game.
This is wrong.
And... am I seeing PIRATE in that list of languages?
I can't imagine the quality you get out of free work.
Nothing irrational about it. Fuck anyone and everyone who has the attitude that this type of service should be given to them. No one should work for free.
Nothing irrational about it. Fuck anyone and everyone who has the attitude that this type of service should be given to them. No one should work for free.
Same, I couldn't stop scrolling. The number of people flipping their lid at $20 rate is mind blowing. My wife is a professional artist and if they saw her commission rates (not that she opens commissions very often) they'd faint.
Lol! I wonder what that looks like.
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So it is scummy to ask for volunteers because... They need to do it + They are willing to pay someone to do it
But what if they only want to do it and they are not willing to spend time and resources on hiring a localization team? Considering game dev frequently has situations where devs don't have the time and/or resources to doing everything they want and have to make concessions, perhaps in this case they put hiring a localization team low enough on the priority list to warrant asking their fans to volunteer their help. It also seems very likely they decided to go this route before their success. Though, even beyond their initial successes, the fate of their studio still relies on them being efficient game developers. They may have some money to throw around, but we don't know their financial situation or their full post-release plan and it is entirely possible they consider hiring a localization team to be low priority, possibly to due to a combination of willing volunteers and believing most of their potential audience are English speakers (i.e. a localization team may not be a good investment).
I agree, sadly that's essentially what musicians do when they release albums nowadays though.
