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Monster Hunter Rise demo impressions thread (update with new mission out now)
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There are three charged attacks the weapon has that can be used one after the other. The last one, the True charged slash is what you should be going for which requires timing and understanding of monster movements. Don't be afraid to sheath if you are out of position, movement is too slow to leave the weapon out. The shoulder tackle is probably the most important move in the kit. It gives you super armor and reduced damage, as well as stores your charging and let's you skip to the next charged attack. It's insanely valuable.
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Practice the triple poke combo (X/A) and weaving in sidesteps or backhops to keep the chain going endlessly. That'll be your bread and butter. Block or counter (ZR / ZR+A) if a monster is about to hit you. Nothing much more to it. Once you're comfortable with the constant DPS upkeep playstyle, the silkbind and other attacks will fall naturally into place.
Remember you can do a jumping attack while charging too, I often do that rather than just finish with a normal strike as it's clearer when to hit x
I'll toss in one more Rise-specific wrinkle to this. Like the others said, sheathing for movement and picking spots is important, so remember that you have access to the Power Sheathe silkbind attack (ZL+A while your weapon's out). It gives you a quick dash to cover some ground, auto-sheathes your GS, and gives you a temporary attack buff all in one quick motion. It only costs one wirebug so it's suuuper useful for getting in a hit and quickly getting back out.
Also tackle is love, tackle is life.
How the fuck does the "webbing" attack with Charge Blade work? I'm sitting down creating what looks like a net trap, but nothing happens when the monster charges at me.
That's...how it currently works though? It's apparently fairly easy to get the first mount on a monster, but nearly impossible to get the second. Unless you're talking about making this the case globally (as in, having it so that mounting any monster makes any subsequent mounts of any monster be harder)
I also think they probably tuned it so that it was easier to get mounts in the demo so that people could try out the system
You mean GU? Yeah, it does, but it's also a port of a 3DS game.
you mean Generations Ultimate I assume, and if I had to guess Rise is probably running at something like 900p while GenU was 1080p which would give GenU a cleaner look. Makes sense seeing as Rise has VASTLY improved models, textures, seamless world, ect. compared to GenU which was a 3DS port.
I divide it into two parts in my head, the basic melee work and closing the distance. The triple poke is your basic combo, but you can cancel out at the end by sidestepping or jumping back, allowing you to keep attacking. This is the standard lancer style, notching up damage and staying in close. The counter move is good if you're about to be attacked, but while you are in close, you also want to get your silkbite grapple in- ZL+X, costs two wirebug charges.
You know it's in effect because you can see the silk wire. This then means that once the monster moves away, ZL+B will launch you back at it, allowing you to get in a heavy strike and then settle into your melee routine. Your other options to close in if you haven't got that up:
A) your charge move (A+X while blocking), you can either attack with x as you reach the target or jump and attack with b then x (my preference).
B) from the palamute, practise dismounting forwards (b) into a Lance draw attack (x).
C) just run in and use an unsheathe attack.
Generally the silkbite launch is the quickest and strongest, then if that isn't an option use the charge, and use the palamute instead of the charge if you're a bit too far away to charge or need to dodge projectiles on the way in. You'll soon get used to which way to close in is most effective in the circumstances.
90% of the time as a lancer you'll be doing one of those two routines. There are other moves (the horizontal swipe, the silkbite counter that increases your attack strength as you are attacked), but I'd recommend sticking with practicing your close-range melee and closing-the distance until you're comfortable with those core elements.
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I'm really loving the Shrine Ruins map, the verticality and endemic life make it feel so much more engaging than any of World's. Plus having all the new movement options to get around is great.
Other thoughts, I guess: My World main, the Bow, feels like it got a bit of a downgrade for me. I know people hated the Arc Shot in World, but as a solo player I never had to deal with the problems so I miss it a lot. My other most used weapons, Charge Blade and Long Sword, feel about the same, though I didn't play Iceborne so the Iai stuff with Longsword is new to me. Probably going to try out more weapons using this demo, the Hunting Horn might be my new main from what I've played of it so far
Other thoughts, I guess: My World main, the Bow, feels like it got a bit of a downgrade for me. I know people hated the Arc Shot in World, but as a solo player I never had to deal with the problems so I miss it a lot. My other most used weapons, Charge Blade and Long Sword, feel about the same, though I didn't play Iceborne so the Iai stuff with Longsword is new to me. Probably going to try out more weapons using this demo, the Hunting Horn might be my new main from what I've played of it so far
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Yeah i meant Generations Ultimate. Okay I don't really keep up with monster hunter news haha. Makes sense, I hope I get used to it otherwise I will probably stick to portable play only.
Dual Blades lost the sidestep slash in demon mode from world. That's a shame since the infinite chain we could do with that made the weapon feel really fluid. Otherwise it's pretty much the same.
Not feeling the Hunting Horn honestly. The new attack animations are cool, but losing the Iceborne tools feels like a step back. Seems their goal was to make it easy to pick up so it wouldn't be the least popular weapon anymore, but it feels it lost some of what I liked about it. I need to see what happens with songs on different horns though.
This map feels so boring compared to World maps. Mizutsune would run to three different areas on the river and all felt like the same arena as the last. Hopefully there's multiple campsites in the full game so we can fast travel closer to monsters like in World too. Funny how the colors are less vibrant too despite them not going for the realistic look in Rise.
Wyvern riding is weird. I'm probablygoingto just throw the monster into the wall three times instead of trying to fight other monsters, it feels so clunky.
The wirebug is cool though, and it's fun to fight Mizutsune again.
Yes it can be done, but the timing is awkward. We have to wirebug, then unsheath into demon mode with ZR, then hit A before landing.
Not feeling the Hunting Horn honestly. The new attack animations are cool, but losing the Iceborne tools feels like a step back. Seems their goal was to make it easy to pick up so it wouldn't be the least popular weapon anymore, but it feels it lost some of what I liked about it. I need to see what happens with songs on different horns though.
This map feels so boring compared to World maps. Mizutsune would run to three different areas on the river and all felt like the same arena as the last. Hopefully there's multiple campsites in the full game so we can fast travel closer to monsters like in World too. Funny how the colors are less vibrant too despite them not going for the realistic look in Rise.
Wyvern riding is weird. I'm probablygoingto just throw the monster into the wall three times instead of trying to fight other monsters, it feels so clunky.
The wirebug is cool though, and it's fun to fight Mizutsune again.
Yes it can be done, but the timing is awkward. We have to wirebug, then unsheath into demon mode with ZR, then hit A before landing.
How do you feel about the the other silk move? The attack boost from this counter is so short, I dunno...
Doesn't seem worth it to me at the moment compared to saving the wirebug charges, considering how powerful the other silkbind launcher attacks are and how they get you back in close. Mobility is key for a lancer. That's why I always went aerial style in the last two games.
Hammer is amazing in Rise. I actually regret trying it out because now I don't want to play anything else.
Chaining level 3 yellow charge into the big bang combo finisher feels SO GOOD.
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Not sure how I feel about using R for running. Hope I can change it in the final game to L3. (Edit: pause, options, settings, controls, it can be changed).
Additionally, I hope they tweak locking on, because I can barely tell if I'm locked on to a monster, like the reticle is so hard to see.
I'm trying the basic controls mission now to see if I missed something, but so far the demo has been been really good. Very excited!
Additionally, I hope they tweak locking on, because I can barely tell if I'm locked on to a monster, like the reticle is so hard to see.
I'm trying the basic controls mission now to see if I missed something, but so far the demo has been been really good. Very excited!
Not sure if I fully understand your question. After lock on with click on the right stick, you can tab L to focus on the monster.
I have the very same feeling
Great so far but lock and run arent exactly perfect
Literally just now found you can change dash to L3 or L3/R in settings > controls when you pause and go to options.
Pretty much. Horn was in a pretty decent spot in World with having the needed notes visible and being able to "store" songs until you had the opportunity to play them. That fixed the annoying issue of stacking up all the notes in the correct order but then not having a chance to actually play the song, making you decide between playing another note, which makes you now unable to play the song, or just doing the recital on nothing and wasting your good damage and KO. The extra shockwaves given to recital animations made them really fun to land on monsters. The option to roll out of the recital before playing the song let you use them more aggressively, but the biggest damage and KO in the encore still required a very large commitment that was satisfying to find opportunities for. The only issue I really had with it was that the basic X and A moves were still quite unimpressive and didn't flow together very well in a satisfying way.
I'm going to be playing Rise horn a bit more to cement my opinion, and there might be a demo-specific lack of balance here, but I'm a little disappointed. It's so easy to get the double and triple notes you need that you almost might as well just have the buffs permanently from the beginning, and that invincibility on the self-improvement recital is so unnecessary. You can really just go unga bunga without thinking at all and the songs refresh themselves. The old horn really felt like a different weapon because it demanded you think about the songs you're playing, anticipate when they're going to expire, and start doing certain attacks to get certain notes ahead of time so you're ready to refresh the song. That sort of planning aspect feels pretty much gone.
I think part of the reason people respected and liked having horn mains around is because a lot of people did try out horn and realized how challenging it was to maintain buffs while staying on the monster and doing optimal damage. Should you abandon your song to do a twirl and do some good DPS? After the twirl, should you go for red notes to get Impact Echo Wave? Should you get just one or go for more for big triple IEW play? Or should you go back to lining up that song that's going to expire soon? In this game it feels a bit like you can just mash buttons and get everything.
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Oh it is, but the feeling of the great sword..it just FEELS right in my hands
Played the Mizu mission twice and I realized how reliant I was on Adept style in GU... So many times I timed B without consideration for the direction, just to get a hit straight onto my face lol. Btw what is the optimal combo for LS? The longest I could unleash is the silk trap (zl + a) then x then spirit slash x3.
Ah that's the answer, I knew there was a lock on after seeing the monster icons in the top right, I just didn't know how it worked. Thanks!
Happens for me in docked and handheld mode the stuttering feels the same, it even happens when I just play alone online too. Had a search on reddit and it seems others are having the same problem too even on ethernet. See a few people say that switching to a different user account fixes it but I don't have a family plan for the online so I can't try that. I made sure to mention the problem in the feedback survey.
Deleted the demo for now, if the rumoured second demo has the same problems then I'll be having second thoughts about my preorder.
EDIT: seen people suggesting it's a bug to do with the size of your friend list and deleting some helped fix it.
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How do you continue after the swings from lvl 3 charge to get this combo?
You just start tapping A, which would normally start the Big Bang combo. But after a level 3 yellow charge, tapping B skips to the 3rd and 4th hit of the combo before the finisher. If you spin 4 times before golf-swinging out of the level 3 yellow charge, your Big Bang combo will skip ahead to the 4th attack!
edit - I'm not sure, but it seems as if the level 3 yellow charge golfswing into Big Bang finisher might end up being the hammer's most powerful combo, especially if you hit the four spins beforehand.
I am loving this demo, the wire bug is such a great addition. Been trying out Hunting Horn, Gun Lance, Charge Blade, and Bow. And while they're different from my previous playstyles, I'm enjoying them.
Can't decide on Greatsword or Dual Blades as my main weapon when this launches. They're both so great. I'll probably just spend a lot of time with both of 'em.
Pretty amazing the 180 that happened for me with this game. I LOVE it now. I've murdered the Intermediate quest like eight times now.
Pretty amazing the 180 that happened for me with this game. I LOVE it now. I've murdered the Intermediate quest like eight times now.
Good to know. I must've just been screwing up the timing - will give it a go today, thanks!
Also figuring this out, I believe you're able to counter slap them the moment they walk in to the web-firewall but have not found the right button combo for it yet.