I'm over 30 and American, not a clue who this chick is. WHOOPS
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Mo'nique - Netflix Lowballed My Negotiations 'Cause I'm a Black Woman
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I'm over 30 and American, not a clue who this chick is. WHOOPS
Mo'Nique was never popular and "peaked" with The Parkers and Soul Plane 15 years ago. Additionally, the few that recognize her ever would for her stand-up.
Instead, give $100K to 5 unknown female black stand-ups. Then jack their pay after a few hit it big and give them more specials, shows, movies - etc.
Instead, give $100K to 5 unknown female black stand-ups. Then jack their pay after a few hit it big and give them more specials, shows, movies - etc.
She didn't want 14 or even 20m. She wanted more than 500k though but they wouldn't evebn renegotiate.
Again
Black Women are treated differently than black men
That is not the reason she was offered $500k
FYI guys. Shes been blacklisted in hollywood for some time now. Ever since that oscars speech fiasco. While i applaud her for shouting out indifference it was the wrong time. "The white man" runs the industry she got her paycheck from.
Its no surprise that netflix would follow suit. They are using production companies who are still attached to hollywood. People in that industry dont forget.
Its no surprise that netflix would follow suit. They are using production companies who are still attached to hollywood. People in that industry dont forget.
I find Mo'nique to be pretty funny as a stand-up but I hate this line of thinking. Netflix takes very calculated risks based on complicated metrics. It just makes a person, man or woman, look like a business adolescent when they tantrum like this.
According to who? By her own account, she rejected the offer and started this ridiculous line of questioning with Netflix that compared herself to Amy Schumer and Chris Rock. That isn't a negotiation.
You're talking 2 million gross, over what, 6 months? How much comes out of that as venue costs, staff costs, travel costs, etc.?
Half million net, for a single show is a much better return.
It isn't really the "same work" if she's not pulling the same numbers as they are. Writers, by way of example, get paid vastly different amounts of money. You're basically arguing that everyone should get Stephen King levels of pay, just because they're putting words to paper like he is.
So much this. When you refuse to support the campaign for your own Oscar, that's a pretty big way of saying "I don't care."
It depends on if her demands were reasonable. If you take the agent quoted in the Vulture article at face value, Netflix's initial offer was already double what she could expect to get on the open market.
Negotiating means having the data to back up your demands. It's not just "I deserve this because I say so." If Netflix came in with an already high offer, and she countered with "double it" or "I want Schumer/Rock money," it's easy to see why Netflix would conclude that it wasn't worth pursuing because they weren't even in the same ballpark as far as worth.
Post people in America would know her for starring in one sitcom, and then snubbing the Oscar campaign for Precious.
She tried that with her 2016 special. It doesn't exactly look like it tore up the rental or sales charts on Amazon. She doesn't even have it available to buy anymore.
Not having done anything in a long time is going to hurt an entertainer's value. Doing something recently and having it be received poorly is also going to hurt an entertainer's value.
Netflix has crazy amounts of user data. They can tell you, down to the minute, who watched what, where, and when. Netflix knows if people watch a whole show or if the drop off partway thru.
Except she didn't do that for Precious. She refused to campaign for her Oscar. She had public demands like she wouldn't fly out unless her whole entourage was also paid for on first class flights. She has champagne taste on a beer budget.
And that isn't just limited to Mo'Nique. Katherine Heigl is an example given in this thread. She tanked her own career because she thought she was hot shit coming off Grey's Anatomy and the diva attitude burned bridged left and right because she couldn't pull in the $$$ to justify her demands.
Even Robert Downey Jr. was in a similar situation when he filmed the first Iron Man. He was an award winning actor, who had burned a shitload of bridges in Hollywood. He got paid $500,000 for Iron Man. Obviously later films netted him a lot more, but that was because he put in the work for Iron Man and increased his value.
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She openly discusses doing exactly what I described in both the TMZ interview and the Sway interview in that she had her husband engage in an absurd line of questioning with the higher-ups of Netflix about why her offer is so low relative to some of the biggest names in the industry. Her side of the story, which in most conflicts is almost assuredly a personally favorable recollection of what transpired, is reason enough to not continue the discussion because one party simply isn't occupying the same reality as you. If Netflix thinks you're worth 500K and you think you're worth 15 million, there's nothing to be gained from continuing the discussion.
Whoever she was 10-15 years ago is irrelevant to her market value today. Ask Carlos Mencia if you don't believe me.
Plus she stunk up the air of those negotiations by threatening to go public about some perceived bigotry. Like, who does that during negotiations and thinks they'll come out ahead?
I guess she's blacklisted in Hollywood for a reason.
Lady is just crazy.
If Sarah Silverman were being lowballed, the thread would be filled with people saying "quit being stingy Netflix and pay up". That's because Silverman has a presence, a following, and respect.
I didn't even know who Mon'ique was before clicking on this thread and doing a wiki search, and clearly i'm not the only one. The fact that there could even be two sides on this is mind boggling.
I didn't even know who Mon'ique was before clicking on this thread and doing a wiki search, and clearly i'm not the only one. The fact that there could even be two sides on this is mind boggling.
In fairness, the thread about Amy Schumer was filled with people saying that she didn't deserve as much as Chappelle or Chris Rock. I think she is, in fact, terrible, but probably the same would happened to Sarah Silverman. I bet we'd see a lot of "we'll she's not as good as them, so she doesn't deserve as much".
Please tell me there is a scene where that is run through a machine and it gets rejected.
Rock and Chappelle are black so it's not a race thing and Schumer is a woman so it's not a gender thing. Out of all the comedians with specials on Netflix, it's odd she picked those ones to try and prove her point.
Regardless, Mo'nique has been out of the spotlight for a while, so $500,000 seems like a very fair price (and I bet it's more than many other comedians have gotten for their Netflix specials). It's crazy that she's trying to make a thing out of this.
Regardless, Mo'nique has been out of the spotlight for a while, so $500,000 seems like a very fair price (and I bet it's more than many other comedians have gotten for their Netflix specials). It's crazy that she's trying to make a thing out of this.
Black women are treated differently then Black men. It's been said multiple times already. Using Rock/Chappelle's race to counter the point doesn't work.
Chris Rock and Chappelle both have strong cross over appeal. Mo'Nique's comedy has typically been seen as "black stand up", she was on a UPN show and BET show.
It can be a race thing without them not negotiating with black talent.
Take a minute and think about what the consequences of special are for a comedians set of routines.
I wonder if anybody else would even offer her a 1 hour special. That's not to shit on her talent. I think she's an amazing actress and a good comedienne. But she's barely worked the last seven years due to the Precious situation. Netflix is uniquely positioned to offer this sort of stuff.
I'll admit, this is an interesting point that I didn't consider.
I still would be very curious to see what other comedians make for their Netflix specials for some frame of reference, but with us only ever knowing what they pay the mega-stars, everything will all just be speculation.
Why did you ask if you were just going to dismiss what went against your statement?
Imagine the shitstorm if someone said this about #MeToo.
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Yeah I didn't mean to knock you, but I think there's an interesting dynamic here.
I watched the Kat Williams netflix special which was very much "black humor" vs cross over. I'd be interested in what they offered him.
500k seems to me low for an academy award winning actress but without comparison it seems hard to judge.
All Tiffany Haddish would have to do is point to how much HBO paid her for her comedy special. LOL
It's almost like context is a thing, lol. Completely different situations that can in no way be compared.
User was banned for 1 week: downplaying sexual harassment after previous bans/warnings for the same behavior
Yeah, being chronically underpaid your entire career is way worse than seeing Louis C.K.'s prick
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Maybe if she was asking for 15 or 20 mil. If it was a figure based in reality they'd be no qualms