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Minneapolis protests over murder of George Floyd. Police response more severe than when white supremacists stormed capitol. (See Threadmarks to help)
- Thread starter DrForester
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Al Qaeda is bad but that don't mean you kill a whole restaurant with a missile strike (which happened way too often). Besides, area bombing in WWII was inaccurate and imprecise. You would be lucky if you bombed the right city district.
Surprised they are even sending fire fighters in there, police usually has to secure the scene before they do. Honestly they should just pull them back
Unfortunately nothing is ever going to change until there's a pressing reason to change things. People can post on facebook or whatever or wish thoughts and prayers but we all need to be in this together and that means nobody is exempt except victims of systemic police violence and murder.
you literally criticized the poster for hoping that something is done if the fires get out of control, implying that he didn't care about lives. You don't see how out of control fires can kill innocent people?
I personally hope it's not true.
If the people of Minneapolis don't want their shit to burn down, they can agitate for a better policing system.
Or they can do nothing and risk the suppressed anger of people who live in a police state erupting after yet another murder against them is perpetrated.
Or they can do nothing and risk the suppressed anger of people who live in a police state erupting after yet another murder against them is perpetrated.
That guy's sole contribution in this thread and the Amy thread are concern posting about cops and dogs and property. Lol.
I see what yall be doing to black people there I aint going minneapolis
User banned (1 week): hostility, inflammatory accusation against other members
You are classless. If any deaths come from this Im sure you'll support that too.
True but I think this is a result of many different things. It was just the tipping point.
James Eli Shiffer on Twitter
“The mayor of Minneapolis has asked Gov. Tim Walz to bring in the National Guard to Minneapolis https://t.co/8iYDH778jS”twitter.com
Here we go. Hopefully this doesn't turn into more of a shitshow then it already is.
Death came from this already. A fucking black man was choked to death. Are you stupid or dumb?
If this is what it takes for America to value black lives I am all for it.
"My city" lmfao. It was George Floyd's city too.
Black people getting shot for walking down the street.
Black people getting shot for protecting a patient who was mentally disabled.
Black people getting shot for protesting peacefully.
Black people getting shot in their own apartments because the police had the wrong address.
Black people getting killed for simply fucking existing.
Yet people wonder why everyone is acting out, yeah no fuck off with the whinging about Stores.
Black people getting shot for protecting a patient who was mentally disabled.
Black people getting shot for protesting peacefully.
Black people getting shot in their own apartments because the police had the wrong address.
Black people getting killed for simply fucking existing.
Yet people wonder why everyone is acting out, yeah no fuck off with the whinging about Stores.
This has to be the response every time a black life is taken. You care about your business? Tell the cops to stop killing black people.
You sure are quick to trust a random poster posting about something they heard that their sister heard in order to prove that the protestors are raving murderous lunatics who don't care at all who dies.
It's pretty unlikely the protestors are that careless to burn down occupied buildings.
It will, sadly. Hopefully the people responsible for George's death face justice, and if this leads to more death of those protesting, that those responsible also face justice.
I would post more, but there's not much more to say that's not just rage. This shit, these cops running rampant, this has to stop.
deaths started this man.
I am not advocating burning buildings with people inside obviously but this is civil unrest, some of these people see no other way out. What do you want them to do? Stand and sing then go home tomorrow? In a week another teenager will be shot for jogging while black.
they are DONE with this.
Yeah you got it all figured out buddy.
There was already a fucking death you dink, that's what started this. Maybe you forgot about it when you lecturing us about protests and targets getting looted.
If the city wants to prevent spillover violence and destruction then it should stop cops from killing unarmed black people
Staff Post
Official Staff Communication
This thread is about the protests following the murder of a black man by the Minneapolis police, that same police force's crackdown on said protesters, and the systemic oppression of black people by the police as a whole. It's not about how concerned you are about "riots" or property damage. Anyone trying to derail or concern troll about property damage will be actioned accordingly.
FYI
Ted Haller on Twitter
“Dire situation at 2801 E Lake—first responders on scanner describing it as “emergency” with people fleeing building fire to roof.”
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You are literally cheering for people to lose their lives here. I don't think I'm the one that needs to readjust priorities.
An apartment building is on fire.
People are trapped. Firefighters are getting attacked.
And you're calling me racist for wanting the firefighters to be left alone so they can do their job and save lives.
How about you miss me with that?
Justice for George Floyd is about holding his murderers to account. It is about holding the police to account. It is about fixing the rot in the system.
Justice is NOT trying to prevent firefighters from saving lives.
No one is rooting for it.
It just is what it is. You can't murder people for no reason and not expect a response at some point.
America is lucky that black Americans have been so patient with it over the last four hundred years. The oppressors in this thread who are whining about the oppressed being sick to the point of violence and destruction of living under a police state that kills them for fun can fuck right off. They ain't shit.
I just don't get the whole "these rioters are evil" angle. Rioting is bad, it's understood that it's negative. But what are any of us suppose to do about it now that it's happening in full effect? It is what it is. People are frustrated and angry and they simply don't give a fuck. There are a few people who are more extreme in their "burn it all" perspective (which I disagree with) but as a whole we all understand it is not good. I think what we don't want is to lose perspective. This is a failing of the institution. That has to be the target of your anger. Pointing it at some dude who wants to get a TV is pointless. The conditions that even enable this shit should never exist. When was the last big riot in the US? What caused it? Hmmm.
FYI
Ted Haller on Twitter
“Dire situation at 2801 E Lake—first responders on scanner describing it as “emergency” with people fleeing building fire to roof.”
Oh god no. That's fucking bad.
User Banned (3 Months): Concern trolling, inflammatory accusations, and abuse of the reporting system; prior bans for similar behavior
I am editing this post after the fact because I want to set the record straight.
Let's start off with a couple things.
I think accusing me of concern trolling here is absurd. Anyone who has basic reading comprehension and can take the few minutes required to look at my post in full context will see that. Lucky for you though I will provide all the context here, and the beautiful thing is you can easily check it out for yourself if you don't believe me.
This all started when I first entered the thread. I entered the conversation several pages into the discussion so the thread was already ongoing. One of the first posts I saw was this one which reads "Sister in Minneapolis just heard an occupied building is on fire and they are having trouble reaching the people inside." I then responded to someone else who was calling out a poster for "wishing harm on people (possibly death given how police behave) to protect empty buildings." My response said "If the fires get out of control (as the poster your quoted said) people could die" and then cited the post which said that there were occupied buildings on fire. Another user, also citing the post which stated that an occupied building was on fire, took issue with a few people's responses in the thread, and he was criticized. I, trying to stick up for him for a second, quoted those individuals and made this very post which I was banned for. For full transparency that original post will still be in tact at the bottom of this edit. I have segmented it off with a line and am writing this above the original. I am not touching it at all. If you have trouble trusting that I did not edit the original text in order to make myself look better then you need not look any further than a few people who quoted to see that the post is indeed exactly as it was.
Before I continue on, I should make it very clear that the "report" of an occupied building being on fire was false. In the moment I had no clue, and neither did anyone else as this was an evolving and emotional moment in time. But in hindsight we all know that never happened as we would have heard about that for weeks following the first night of protesting.
So let's make this very clear. I was banned for "concern trolling" over a claim that I didn't even make. What happened to the person who dropped that hot trash into this thread? Well, you can see for yourself. Nothing. That person received exactly zero punishment even though their false claim derailed the thread for two full pages. I was banned for concern trolling when in reality it's clear that I was a victim of concern trolling. I fell for it. And quite frankly I'm embarrassed that I did. It's certainly not one of my prouder moments, but in a fast paced and emotional thread it's easy to lose sight of things.
Now look, at the end of the day I still sort of contributed to derailing the thread. For that I am sorry. I made that clear in my first appeal to the staff. Such derailing, intentional or not, probably deserves some level of punishment, but does it really constitute a three month ban? I don't think so, and this is actually where another big issue with my ban comes into play.
I unfortunately have no way of proving this as I didn't think to take a screenshot of my initial ban statement, but my ban was initially for two weeks. Not three months. Now, had this ban simply remained two weeks I would have taken it and moved on with no regard. But maybe a day or two before my ban was supposed to be lifted the length was inexplicably extended from two weeks to three months. That extension cited "after considering your appeals" which is especially odd since my appeals at that point were apologies for derailing the thread. So for apologizing my ban was extended? what? There's a part of me that wonders had I never appealed the ban to begin with would I have just served a two week ban and thats it? I guess I'll never know. But that's where this whole process became so much more frustrating because I wanted to ask that very question to the resetera staff (as well ask have a deeper conversation about the ban).
So I appealed my extended ban. I received no response. This shouldn't come as a surprise since ResetEra's mod and admin team is notorious for being inconsistent with moderation. The only consistent thing about the mod team is how little transparency they show and how impossible it is to contact them. However, I accomplished the impossible. OVER TWO FULL MONTHS INTO MY BAN the admins finally responded to my appeals. Keep in mind that this was after appealing this extended ban SEVERAL times. I did not think to save every appeal in a google doc, so most of them have been lost to time. However I did save what must have been my third or fourth attempt at an appeal, and then reused that appeal in my final appeal which is the appeal the staff FINALLY responded to. Their response after over two full months of waiting was unacceptable and simply did not answer the vast majority of issues I brought up. I received that response as an email, so I can easily copy and paste both the staff's response and the appeal which they responded to. I will now copy and paste those below for full transparency.
below is the appeal which was responded to. You probably don't need to read this as it repeats much of what I already stated above, but again it is here in full for transparency sake:
here is the response I got
I'll let my post history speak for itself. I don't have a history of concern trolling or downplaying social justice issues. I was frustrated with this ban and I wanted to set the record straight in case anyone ever comes by this post again. This edit only took me about 10-15 minutes to write (it's 6:14 as of right now and I started this about 6ish) so not really an issue.
Below is the original, unedited post as the mods left it post ban. I did delete this post before getting banned, but the mods reverted the post after banning me over three months ago (Note: the "post reverted" edit was not put in until the staff responded to my appeal over two months into the ban, so anyone who saw this post after I was banned didn't know that I at least tried to delete the post).
tl;dr: let's be honest, if you're reading this you're sleuthing through my post history. Just stop. Go outside.
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I'm sure people will attack me now and accuse me of posting in bad faith or concern trolling since this is my only contribution to this thread, but I just don't like death. I really really really hope innocent lives aren't lost tonight.
Mod Edit: Post reverted
Let's start off with a couple things.
- This thread is dead. It's long dead and will likely remain dead for the rest of ResetEra's life. Beyond this thread being dead, this is page 20 of a several hundred page thread. No one is ever going to naturally see this post. So why am I taking the time to edit it and "set the record straight?" Because it will forever be in my post history. ResetEra has an incredibly dedicated community that will stop at no lengths when trying to win an argument. There are users who use post histories to ridicule and drag people. This edit is for anyone who is looking through my post history trying to find some dirt on me. Obviously I am very disappointed that my post history now has a post which resulted in a 3 month ban. I am especially embarrassed because I was banned in a thread about social justice for "concern trolling." That shines a very bad light on me. This leads to thing number...
- Make no mistake, accusing someone of concern trolling in a thread like this is accusing someone of being racist. Considering that ban was for three months (even though it was initially for two weeks and then inexplicably extended a day or two before that two week period was up, but that's another story that I'll go into later) there is no doubt that the insinuation is that I must be a racist. Why else would I have been banned that long? That is certainly how I took the ban, and it was both infuriating and hurtful because that accusation is so far from the truth that I don't even know where to start.
I think accusing me of concern trolling here is absurd. Anyone who has basic reading comprehension and can take the few minutes required to look at my post in full context will see that. Lucky for you though I will provide all the context here, and the beautiful thing is you can easily check it out for yourself if you don't believe me.
This all started when I first entered the thread. I entered the conversation several pages into the discussion so the thread was already ongoing. One of the first posts I saw was this one which reads "Sister in Minneapolis just heard an occupied building is on fire and they are having trouble reaching the people inside." I then responded to someone else who was calling out a poster for "wishing harm on people (possibly death given how police behave) to protect empty buildings." My response said "If the fires get out of control (as the poster your quoted said) people could die" and then cited the post which said that there were occupied buildings on fire. Another user, also citing the post which stated that an occupied building was on fire, took issue with a few people's responses in the thread, and he was criticized. I, trying to stick up for him for a second, quoted those individuals and made this very post which I was banned for. For full transparency that original post will still be in tact at the bottom of this edit. I have segmented it off with a line and am writing this above the original. I am not touching it at all. If you have trouble trusting that I did not edit the original text in order to make myself look better then you need not look any further than a few people who quoted to see that the post is indeed exactly as it was.
Before I continue on, I should make it very clear that the "report" of an occupied building being on fire was false. In the moment I had no clue, and neither did anyone else as this was an evolving and emotional moment in time. But in hindsight we all know that never happened as we would have heard about that for weeks following the first night of protesting.
So let's make this very clear. I was banned for "concern trolling" over a claim that I didn't even make. What happened to the person who dropped that hot trash into this thread? Well, you can see for yourself. Nothing. That person received exactly zero punishment even though their false claim derailed the thread for two full pages. I was banned for concern trolling when in reality it's clear that I was a victim of concern trolling. I fell for it. And quite frankly I'm embarrassed that I did. It's certainly not one of my prouder moments, but in a fast paced and emotional thread it's easy to lose sight of things.
Now look, at the end of the day I still sort of contributed to derailing the thread. For that I am sorry. I made that clear in my first appeal to the staff. Such derailing, intentional or not, probably deserves some level of punishment, but does it really constitute a three month ban? I don't think so, and this is actually where another big issue with my ban comes into play.
I unfortunately have no way of proving this as I didn't think to take a screenshot of my initial ban statement, but my ban was initially for two weeks. Not three months. Now, had this ban simply remained two weeks I would have taken it and moved on with no regard. But maybe a day or two before my ban was supposed to be lifted the length was inexplicably extended from two weeks to three months. That extension cited "after considering your appeals" which is especially odd since my appeals at that point were apologies for derailing the thread. So for apologizing my ban was extended? what? There's a part of me that wonders had I never appealed the ban to begin with would I have just served a two week ban and thats it? I guess I'll never know. But that's where this whole process became so much more frustrating because I wanted to ask that very question to the resetera staff (as well ask have a deeper conversation about the ban).
So I appealed my extended ban. I received no response. This shouldn't come as a surprise since ResetEra's mod and admin team is notorious for being inconsistent with moderation. The only consistent thing about the mod team is how little transparency they show and how impossible it is to contact them. However, I accomplished the impossible. OVER TWO FULL MONTHS INTO MY BAN the admins finally responded to my appeals. Keep in mind that this was after appealing this extended ban SEVERAL times. I did not think to save every appeal in a google doc, so most of them have been lost to time. However I did save what must have been my third or fourth attempt at an appeal, and then reused that appeal in my final appeal which is the appeal the staff FINALLY responded to. Their response after over two full months of waiting was unacceptable and simply did not answer the vast majority of issues I brought up. I received that response as an email, so I can easily copy and paste both the staff's response and the appeal which they responded to. I will now copy and paste those below for full transparency.
below is the appeal which was responded to. You probably don't need to read this as it repeats much of what I already stated above, but again it is here in full for transparency sake:
my appeal said:
here is the response I got
era staff said:
I'll let my post history speak for itself. I don't have a history of concern trolling or downplaying social justice issues. I was frustrated with this ban and I wanted to set the record straight in case anyone ever comes by this post again. This edit only took me about 10-15 minutes to write (it's 6:14 as of right now and I started this about 6ish) so not really an issue.
Below is the original, unedited post as the mods left it post ban. I did delete this post before getting banned, but the mods reverted the post after banning me over three months ago (Note: the "post reverted" edit was not put in until the staff responded to my appeal over two months into the ban, so anyone who saw this post after I was banned didn't know that I at least tried to delete the post).
tl;dr: let's be honest, if you're reading this you're sleuthing through my post history. Just stop. Go outside.
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I absolutely support the protests and I'm disgusted by what happened, but these posts really bother me. So you're ok with more death coming from this? Or at least you're going to come up with excuses or rationals? That's disgusting. The only people who deserve to be hurt in this are the cops who caused it.
I'm sure people will attack me now and accuse me of posting in bad faith or concern trolling since this is my only contribution to this thread, but I just don't like death. I really really really hope innocent lives aren't lost tonight.
Mod Edit: Post reverted
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That man's life was worth more than any of those businesses. All those businesses combined. All of the businesses in America combined. The real loss already happened, you shouldn't even be bringing up business right now.
It's not an attack to point out that you're a racist piece of garbage who is setting up a strawman. It's just the truth.
No one is like WHEE BURN A TARGET DOWN. People are like, hey, you reap what you sow. So why are you so mad at what has been sowed? Be mad at the actions that led to this.
You can be angry at the victims of a police state that commits murders against them on the regular for lashing out, but you'd have to be a real piece of shit to focus on that instead of on the reasons that these buildings are burning in the first place.
Im currently in the city where the protests are taking place, my family is as well. Am I not allowed to speak about what is happening on the ground? This is confusing.
I'm not okay with more deaths happening. But I want us to be clear about who is ultimately to blame for this: the cops in question, and the Minneapolis Police Department in general. I don't think its reasonable to say "Well the protestors should just stand outside and yell a bunch". The actual solution here isn't protestors behaving more civilly, its protestors sitting at home, without any reason to even go out, because the cops have stopped fucking killing people.
That's where this causal chain starts. That's where the buck stops
Plenty of people in this thread are saying "burn it down" in the literal sense.
Not sure what it is I'm supposed to be taking from this but okay?