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Min Min revealed as ARMS rep in Smash Ultimate
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Has to be a troll. Not just the name, but the icon on her shirt as well.
What does that mean
Do you think brown and black people don't exist in japan or what?
Maybe read the thread and the moderator notes first before popping off.
No I mean she's been traditionally bend depicted as standard hylian like Link and Zelda and just because she had one different depiction doesn't mean that'd be the basis. That and a proposed smash clone would be off of Shiek which means she'd be the N64 version rather than the magic based SS version.
Sorry didn't mean to offend but it's just that's a stretch as a pick. Anthony from Other M would be a legit pick tho
Still a Japanese tan
It's in the same skin range as all the others
What evidence suggests that she is tanned? She's not even the same race as the other characters in Skyward Sword.
She's not Hylian, and her first game appearance ever depicts her as not Hylian.
Would you call this white in the same way you would call Link and Zelda white?
You're just being pedantic at this point. Literally all I said is she is brown. I said nothing about her ethnicity.
There's something that I'm not sure is coming across, and it's something I'd like to touch on. When people say they are disappointed with this pick, or with the lack of representation, it's because the type of representation that was completely missing from Smash was dark skinned characters. Black and Brown characters. Why is that? Because there appears to be a hatred for and rejection of dark skin, and it isn't just an issue with Smash. It's a world wide problem. Like I said earlier, the only character who sort of counts is Ganondorf, but many do not consider him enough or really an example of representation for a few reasons. As for Black characters, there isn't a single representative at all. And yes, Black people are also made up of different ethnicities and nationalities too. We are also not all the same. But the fact that we are happy to settle with anyone vaguely Black says a lot about how poor our representation is.
Is Min Min a person of colour and Chinese? Yes, absolutely. And it's wonderful that many people feel represented by her, and welcome her inclusion. But it's important to also understand why many Black people do not feel comfortable with the term "POC", or even "BIPOC". This is because even if all people of colour suffer under white supremacy, we do not suffer in the same ways, or to the same extent. We are not marginalised in the exact same manner. When it comes to racism, Black skin is degraded the most. And yet these terms (POC / BIPOC) are sometimes used to dismiss Black perspectives, or to placate us when our specific needs aren't met in favour of others. It's important to express this disappointment without dismissing others, or equating Asian characters with White ones, of course. But please understand where this disappointment is coming from, and why it isn't necessarily going to be alleviated with Min Min as an inclusion.
Is Min Min a person of colour and Chinese? Yes, absolutely. And it's wonderful that many people feel represented by her, and welcome her inclusion. But it's important to also understand why many Black people do not feel comfortable with the term "POC", or even "BIPOC". This is because even if all people of colour suffer under white supremacy, we do not suffer in the same ways, or to the same extent. We are not marginalised in the exact same manner. When it comes to racism, Black skin is degraded the most. And yet these terms (POC / BIPOC) are sometimes used to dismiss Black perspectives, or to placate us when our specific needs aren't met in favour of others. It's important to express this disappointment without dismissing others, or equating Asian characters with White ones, of course. But please understand where this disappointment is coming from, and why it isn't necessarily going to be alleviated with Min Min as an inclusion.
Would you call this white in the same way you would call Link and Zelda white?
You're just being pedantic at this point. Literally all I said is she is brown. I said nothing about her ethnicity.
I mean, yeah, she's pretty obviously distinct from Link and Zelda. Different ethnicity in the games combined with having darker skin in all but, I think, two Zelda games (the Oracles), makes the notion that she's just a tanned Hylian pretty silly.
As an Asian American I want to encourage our community to keep in mind the hurt that a lot of Asian diaspora feel when we are equated to whiteness, or when stereotypes about our appearances cause others to have preconceptions about how we "should" look like. Let's try to not be dismissive towards the fact that Asians are not a monolith and still experience marginalization in the face of white supremacy.
At the same time, we should all keep in mind that colorism is a worldwide issue, and that black and brown skin has, under the framework of racial hegemony, become particularly vilified, disdained, and disregarded, including in Japan. Understanding that Asians are people of color is not grounds to trample over black voices expressing disappointment at the lack of representation in Smash. As a person of Chinese descent, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth to see people trying to silence valid complaints by weaponizing the Chinese identity. We need to be better than that.
At the same time, we should all keep in mind that colorism is a worldwide issue, and that black and brown skin has, under the framework of racial hegemony, become particularly vilified, disdained, and disregarded, including in Japan. Understanding that Asians are people of color is not grounds to trample over black voices expressing disappointment at the lack of representation in Smash. As a person of Chinese descent, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth to see people trying to silence valid complaints by weaponizing the Chinese identity. We need to be better than that.
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Ohhhh, this is definitely my favorite.Which alt y'all choosing? I love this one
Black and Orange just go so well together, Halloween got it right.
Dude wtf did this thread turn into?
I thought we'd be talking bout the 2 attacks at once potentials here.
I thought we'd be talking bout the 2 attacks at once potentials here.
Wanting more Black representation is totally understandable, Smash absolutely needs it. But using it to shit on other representation (especially in 2020 when racist attacks on Asian people has increased due to Covid conspiracies ) is pretty disgusting.
This is what happens when you have a roster of nearly 100 characters and the number of black/brown characters are outnumbered by the number of electric mice 2-to-1.
They all look great but this one is just electrifyingWhich alt y'all choosing? I love this one
Orange and black is honestly awesome. but I'm mostly going to rep Red-Gold-White since it was my favorite from ARMS.Which alt y'all choosing? I love this one
Probably gonna rotate between this, the Black/Orange, the Ninjara blue one and the original.
While I was rooting for Springman or Ribbon girl, Min Min was my third favorite with lolapop but from a design and gameplay perspective Min Min is the number one choice and I am happy she's in.
Arms aesthetic and designs look so good in smash and the music is chef kiss.
I just hope she isn't bottom tier in 1 v 1 bcs wanted to use her as a secondary with my Zelda main.
on the other hand, WHERES THAT UPDATED ZELDA AMIIBO SAKURAI????
Arms aesthetic and designs look so good in smash and the music is chef kiss.
I just hope she isn't bottom tier in 1 v 1 bcs wanted to use her as a secondary with my Zelda main.
on the other hand, WHERES THAT UPDATED ZELDA AMIIBO SAKURAI????
Jesus christ. This comment made me die of laughter. Like shit, when you lay it out like that . . . lawd
I see, will try to keep that in mind.
Do I think people would be hyped for her?
Hell yeah, regardless of nationality. I can't possible know how the Chinese community view her though but she seems like a hype pick none the less.
Have I EVER seen someone ask for her to be in because "smash needs more Chinese representation/ characters"?
No, I don't think so.
Have I seen people ask for her because Smash needs more females and she's the most prominent fighting game female?
Yeah, it's like a major thing.
That's what I said.
Think I made it pretty clear.
Not sure if you want me to sum up the flow of this thread for you. I'd ask you to go back and read more post here.
Please don't put words in my mouth, I never said anything about her being "unnecessary".
I have said that there's no comparing the 2 characters as a reply to the "but she's a PoC too!" vibe that was going round this thread.
Like I said, if people identify with her then that's great ... it's not some shared victory for "PoC" fans like some were playing at to get people to stop voicing their disappointment.
Gonna quote where I said that or you like making up things?
I've been round the block with smash and I've never seen many people use her nationality as a reason to appear in smash for representation. I have seen her gender be a major driving force though much like with Chun Li.
So it comes across as disingenuous to try to use her nationality to pacify Twin fans when it never seemed like a major driving force for people's desires for her. Comes across as people just trying to make others not be disappointed with this character they like.
That's not saying you can't want a Chinese character in this game for rep of that group ... no clue wtf you get that from.
For all I know tons of fans secretly wonted her in for rep for Chinese people but I don't remember that ever being a big reason to "support her getting in".
(Prob cause most western fans who aren't Asian see her as "another Asian" in a game where most humans are white or Asian and as such would focus on her bringing another female to the game as the focus for their support. Not saying that's right, just that it would explain why I've not seen her ethnicity used for reasons to support her like I have for ... legit any brown character )
Perhaps it's best we don't keep talking about all the shitty takes earlier in this thread that lead to it getting locked if you don't want to read them? I don't mind.
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I'm going to take the L on this one, because going back and reading your comment I quoted and replied to, I misread it. Initially, I read it as "I don't care and I don't know why others would," which is wrong and I'm sorry for jumping on you like that. That's my fault.
This has been a very...tension-filled thread, I think.
This has been a very...tension-filled thread, I think.
Imagine being this passionate about the arms lore lmao.
Just imagine.
Nice. I honestly thought/hoped this would be another multi-character deal like Hero or bowser junior. But if it had to be just one character I wanted either Min-min or Twintelle. I can forgive it since it looks like they went all-in with minmin's kicks. I think her moveset is literally more kicks than punches.
Anyway I predict she'll be another zoner character who scrubs get stomped by online and cry about but will never actually make top 8 at a major. That throw's a massive handicap and I don't think good players will have any real problems swoocing right past her zoning.
Anyway I predict she'll be another zoner character who scrubs get stomped by online and cry about but will never actually make top 8 at a major. That throw's a massive handicap and I don't think good players will have any real problems swoocing right past her zoning.
Np, it's a sensitive situation going on here.
I'm guessing in a day or two it will be at least a bit less tense. I don't expect the topic to go away anytime soon though so I'm trying not to run from it.
I think Twintelle could still happen in the future.
That said, never played ARMS but I always hear about those two so Min Min was a good pick.
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I came here for fun, but this thread is getting painful to look at :(
I do feel like before politely asking outsiders to help, Americans should first try to fix their own problem. Considering the disaster now happening in America is totally Americans' fault and not related to Japanese or Chinese.
I do feel like before politely asking outsiders to help, Americans should first try to fix their own problem. Considering the disaster now happening in America is totally Americans' fault and not related to Japanese or Chinese.
Going off of Breath of the Wild, Sheikah are coded as Japanese, though it's worth noting that artwork for Sheik in Ocarina depicted her with darker skin than Zelda.
Which alt y'all choosing? I love this one
Vaporwave bi pride Min Min is my new main
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It's insane how much this looks like this was just grabbed straight from ARMS the video game.
Shame we never got to hear how Reinhard von Lohengramm slurps his ramen.He's an expert at that.
Yeah this has to be one of the best in the game, the color scheme gives me OG Mortal Kombat vibes due to the cover of the game and the Dragon.Which alt y'all choosing? I love this one
From what I've read, they seem to be coded as Anui, who are indigenous people in Japan, so I wouldn't qualify that as "Japanese tan."
In this shot, we see the blue swirls around the dragon laser but it's coming from her noodle arm (right). Is this because it's an in-development screen and it's changed since? The video clearly shows the blue swirls only occurring on the laser from the left arm in its dragon form.
Min Min is The One and I'm glad to see her.
More importantly, it's a bad day for "but the rules" on character speculation. Someone addno spirits and main characters only to the chalkboard of made up fake fan rules that Sakurai doesn't care about.
More importantly, it's a bad day for "but the rules" on character speculation. Someone add
In this shot, we see the blue swirls around the dragon laser but it's coming from her noodle arm (right). Is this because it's an in-development screen and it's changed since? The video clearly shows the blue swirls only occurring on the laser from the left arm in its dragon form.
Probably it's at its final discharged state. The dragon arm seems to only have limited number of use before it reverts back to normal.
