Honestly everyone would have been cool but having a Chinese character is super awesome. She's got a great design as well. Can't say I'm buying the pass atm but I'll wait a bit to decide if I want to buy her individually. Having never played ARMS I do think she is a great pick though.
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Min Min revealed as ARMS rep in Smash Ultimate
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Nah, I lost all hope
Twintelle was the closest we've had to a black character that could realistically get in, and she wasn't even considered.
Not gonna put my hopes on Elma when XB2 is more popular, and if I recall correctly Sakurai said he liked Rex/Pyra, so they'd get priority anyhow
I'll just go back to hoping Paper Mario gets in I guess
I wasn't that familiar with Min Min as I never played her. Cool to hear she is chinese as the more representation there is, the better. Especially in these times.
With that said, people need to understand that we have been waiting decades for a black character to get into the series. Twintelle was the biggest hope for that. She had a really cool design as well and is loved by almost everyone.
Honestly, the fact that there is no black characters in the game yet Sakurai and his team added the racist spirit characters just makes this even worse. It feels insulting to see how there is no black characters in the game and yet you can find light skinned characters everywhere in the game. People can point to the Xenoblade X lady as a potential canditate for black representation but she sure as hell doesn't fit.
Nintendo needs to understand that they should be better. The brand is supposed to be for everyone and yet Smash clearly shows the opposite.
With that said, people need to understand that we have been waiting decades for a black character to get into the series. Twintelle was the biggest hope for that. She had a really cool design as well and is loved by almost everyone.
Honestly, the fact that there is no black characters in the game yet Sakurai and his team added the racist spirit characters just makes this even worse. It feels insulting to see how there is no black characters in the game and yet you can find light skinned characters everywhere in the game. People can point to the Xenoblade X lady as a potential canditate for black representation but she sure as hell doesn't fit.
Nintendo needs to understand that they should be better. The brand is supposed to be for everyone and yet Smash clearly shows the opposite.
Nobody should be pushing either rhetoric that "black people should look like" and "Chinese people should look like".
Though I can understand concerns that Min Min is definitely on the lighter side of skin tones.
He's arguably the second most popular ARMS character in Japan according to polls and the Party Crash Bash.
I'm not dismissing anybody genuinely holding out for Twintelle because she's one of the few black characters in Nintendo. If you were, I am not talking to or about you.
You do know that some middle easterners consider themselves black? Not everyone uses that term.
So? When your roster is ridiculously skewed towards light-skinned male, "this guy was second most popular in one territory" shouldn't even matter.
Not like popularity has mattered before with defaulting Fire Emblem characters to male.
He's not actually arguing that Twintelle therefore doesn't count as black, he's pointing out that it's a consistent aesthetic style across all ARMS characters to have non-traditional hair and eye colors.
I was just answering your question as to why he was considered.
I´ve seen people complaining that Nintendo doesn´t put black characters in their games, my question is, have they played or seen Sword and Shield? Your rival, the champion and the most popular gym leader are black.
As well as best girl as the water gym leader!
Edit: talking about dragon gym leader right???
I know he's popular, I'm saying if they had any awareness, he shouldn't have been considered. This just makes it glaringly obvious they don't.
That's Game Freak, I don't Nintendo the company has any influence on that stuff. The Pokemon company would handle things like that.
Well, in my timeline I always see the water gym leader, is the dragon gym leader black as well?
Ninjara was the most played character online in the only data we've had shared, so that's definitely not a Japan only thing.
They publish the game. So, if Nintendo was racist they wouldn´t have.Also, Smash isn´t Nintendo if you want to apply it to Pokemon, apply it to Smash.
I'm a black woman who was excited to have Twintelle as a rep, and many black members were equally and vocally excited. I've seen no one bring up her "ass" as a reason to have her as a rep. Get the hell out of here with this concern trolling. We can and do want both things.
Like I said, I know what they're doing.
But you don't have to combat that rhetoric by pushing another on another character as an example, just say it's cartoon shit. Springman has blue hair, it's all cartoon shit.
Ok, even if he is the most popular character in all territories. So?
Well, 4 characters in one Nintendo game.
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People aren't saying they're racist? People are saying they don't care? Which means they don't care if black characters are in a game or if they aren't.
Pokemon is probably the best Nintendo series in terms of representation starting with Gen 5. A lot of NPCs are dark skinned too.
I haven't played the game, but aren't some of them supposed to be Indian/South Asian, considering this is based off of the UK?
I guess it wouldn't be clarified in-game since the world of Pokemon doesn't use real-world names for countries/regions.
Pokemon is really the only Nintendo game with some amount of black representation, and even that took a long ass time (wasn't the first black gym leader not until gen 5?) and still isn't incredible. Sword and Shield seems like it went in the right direction (although I think Hop + Leon are supposed to be Desi) by adding in better black/brown rep. But even still, that's such a small amount of representation for an incredibly global franchise.
Fire Emblem has some POC coded characters, but a lot of times their stories boil down to being about their skin tone/'otherness' in a way that I feel like is probably really exhausting when that's what 99% of their character arcs are.
Overall Nintendo has a huge problem with representing POC, particularly darker skinned POC. Hell, in Animal Crossing for the 3DS, you couldn't be anything other than pasty unless you went to the beach to tan every day in the summer--a game that's supposed to let you feel like you're living there.
It's really disingenuous imo to point to a few examples and say Nintendo has done their part.
Min Min was my second choice for an Arms rep. I would have preferred Twintelle but she is pretty good too.
I am glad to see Smash with another female choice in the roster. And not as an alternative costume either. She looks like a lot of fun too.
Smash is the game that keeps on delivering. Looking forward to the Character #7.
I am glad to see Smash with another female choice in the roster. And not as an alternative costume either. She looks like a lot of fun too.
Smash is the game that keeps on delivering. Looking forward to the Character #7.
So it's not confusing in the slightest why the most popular character among people playing the game (which admittedly doesn't include me, think I had a total of about 3 hours playtime...) would be in serious consideration for being the one chosen to be in a smash crossover.
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I think all three console makers have the same problem. tbh ( maybe I´m wrong) but Sony always do generic white dude and female, and Xbox kinda the same. If anything, Nintendo is the one with more representation.
Britain obviously has huge historical ties to to the area and a huge immigrant population, and in a few different language translations they have more traditional Pakistani/Indian names. IIRC the French one in particular is pretty clear about it.
Cool, I'm not telling Arabs how they should identify btw. Hope you didn't take it as offensive.
I need to properly explain myself here.
My original post was not to downplay representation of Arabs but really to point how dumb the concept of "white" truly is. In the United States there was a time where only Anglo-speaking people were considered white (correct me if I'm wrong). It's an evolving term and one that has no real backing in science. The division between Europe and Asia is really non-existent. There are many people of middle eastern descent who live in the US and dress as the culture who people don't realize are of this descent. Including Arabs.
So in reality people of ME descent should fall under the title of white but they aren't because of religious prejudice.
It's not confusing, just incredibly disappointing, and also not even consistent considering FE defaults.
But is there anything in the Japanese version that would point to it?
Isn't the first Gym Leader, Brock, black ?
Any example of Three Houses ?
I'd say that they got better at it (see the improvement of AC from New Leaf to New Horizons, Marina in Smash, Claude in Three Houses, Twintelle in ARMS...). It is not perfect by any means and could be still improved.