https://angrystaffofficer.com/2019/03/31/military-lessons-learned-from-the-battle-of-wakanda/
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Military Lessons Learned from the Battle of Wakanda
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I still don't get why Wakandans (?) find rifles etc to be primitive? And then you have them charging down a hill at an army of four-armed alien monsters.
They have laser spears and shit, but yeah their military tech is not the most fitting
It's kinda makes sense when you consider Wakanda is a peaceful, secluded country.
Even overwhelming technological capability can't make up for a total lack of experience.
They don't consider them primitive. They consider it uncivilized, as in there is nothing honorable in using them.
Let's not be silly here.
Article is good. RE: Guns. I believe they did use them to begin with? Or laser spears or something? But realistically speaking I can't see that they would have done much ultimate good given that these things charged them down at superhuman speed. Though they did also run at them so that's pretty dumb. Maybe they felt that Vibranium weapons were more effective than bullets.
It's a shame they haven't seemed to figure out Vibranium bullets though.
Okoye literally calls them primative in BP.
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Why wasn't there a portcullis on the gate at Helm's Deep?
I mean, you could probably pick apart a lot of these large-scale battle scenes if you're looking at it from a purely military tactical point of view.
I mean, you could probably pick apart a lot of these large-scale battle scenes if you're looking at it from a purely military tactical point of view.
I didn't say less entertaining. I said worse in a sense it's a dumb scene.
I thought it was some sort of pacifism thing, y'know, like weapons are barbaric and primitive. Then we find out they have spears able to blow a hole through a tank and armoured rhinos and get very confused.
Yes, even if they did call it "primitive" that is exactly what they meant. It takes the "man" out of the fight. If you have a beef, man up and take it to them face to face and beat them.
I thought it was ridiculous that they were having an infantry based battle at all. With their weaponry they shouldn't have had the need to fight like that. I mean, I get honour as it relates to inter-tribal issues but when the universe is at stake? No thanks.
Yup. You can't really expect filmmakers to make everything perfectly logical in a military point of vue. Especially when it involves people flayling swords around. That's not what they are after anyway. (because if they were, swords wouldn't do shit against full plate armors and it would be seen as boring on screen)
Still, i will never excuse those that fuck up known, existing, and documented historical battles for no real reason (i'm looking at you Braveheart).
In general the whole "lets charge downhill" was pretty dumb. Set up your defense and let them rush to you.
I never got the 'open the shield' part. You had some of the creatures going around the sides but they relied on overwhelming numbers to break through the shield. Spreading out would make it harder to get through, and surely they could cover off as needed? The sheer volume of creatures let through when they opened the shield seemed way more overwhelming than keeping it closed?
I'm not a fan of big battles like this - especially against 'faceless' generic aliens/monsters. Just turns my brain off
I'm not a fan of big battles like this - especially against 'faceless' generic aliens/monsters. Just turns my brain off
I may be opening a can of worms here, but: what did Braveheart do wrong?
That kind of thing happens when the only real battles you fight are between people who agree to the same rules of engagement.
The outriders had enough to eventually overpower the shields and if they started breaking through from any direction the wakandans would be even more screwed.
A lot : characters origins (Wallace was an artistocrat), timeline (all the dates are wrong and Isabelle was 13), costumes (scots started to wear kilt in the 17th century for instance, definitely not in the 13th) but mostly, for me, the battle of Stirling.
The battle of Stirling, one of the most famous of Wallace battles was entirely centered around a bridge. Remember any bridge in the movie ? Yeah, me neither. Yet the battle is "shown".
I suggest you to check History Buff's video about the movie.
"Guns, how primitive."
*Proceeds to climb, completely unprotected, on top of the car were she could easily be shot but isn't for some plot reason.*
Bucky was mowing the Outriders down with an ordinary M249. He was killing far more of them at a faster rate than any Wakandan, Black Panther and Steve.
Even Falcon with his SMG's was killing loads of them at a time. Ordinary guns are demonstrably better weapons than Wakandan spears in the movie.
In real life guns are as weak as they are not because technology is limited, but because bullets are purposefully the weakest they can be to definitely killing someone in one shot. That way a gun can fire loads of them at once very fast.
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Trenches are perfect for space monsters that lack an instinct for self preservation.
Also big pits with pointy sticks in them like the Romans used to employ.
That was a fun article to read.
It says people, shockingly, care little for realism in a movie with space wizards and aliens.
It says people, shockingly, care little for realism in a movie with space wizards and aliens.
The rhinos are in jail for betraying Wakanda. Lowkey should be executed tbh. Disrespecting the king like that...
He's an infantry man who has no discernable officer training. You get what you pay for.
While militarily a lot of stuff about the battle was kinda ... suspect, aside from tactics I found it pretty easy to write off the tech, tactics, and formations they used - Wakanda hasn't been in an actual battle in ages, and their military seems mostly set up for border defense and skirmishes, not open-field warfare against a giant suicidal melee army.
Lack of air power in the battle was an oversight though (and were there any war rhinos in Infinity War? Don't recall any), as their aircraft should have been able to light up Thanos' army.
Lack of air power in the battle was an oversight though (and were there any war rhinos in Infinity War? Don't recall any), as their aircraft should have been able to light up Thanos' army.
For the most part, Hollywood's idea of a pre-gunpowder warfare is two unorderly mobs of people running into each other.
Sometimes there will be formations, but they will be dispelled upon contact to make way for giant mob fights.
Not surprised that the battle of Wakanda, a battle involving punchy superheroes, would be exactly that.
Sometimes there will be formations, but they will be dispelled upon contact to make way for giant mob fights.
Not surprised that the battle of Wakanda, a battle involving punchy superheroes, would be exactly that.
To be fair, Okoye is one person. Her personal opinion doesn't represent what all of Wakanda things. She even seems to prefer just using martial arts with a weapon as opposed to any of the projectile laser weapons Wakanda actually has. And I guess compared to laser weapons, guns are actually primitive.
It's obviously hard for the MCU to stage big battles and logically keep everyone with vastly different powers still engaged. I do appreciate when films/TV can communicate the tactics of a battle well though. The Last Kingdom's battles are always great to watch, for example, even though they are much smaller than GoT.
Yes.
According to popular culture, people wore armor for the lulz and you could apparently cut and puncture them with any old sword.
In a day and age when you have military weapons whose accuracy is measured to within a couple of meters when fired from over thousands of kilometers while traveling at a minimum of many hundreds of miles per hour I'd say presenting a realistic conflict would be pretty boring.
Am I the only one who's slightly bothered by the idea that Cap is painted as the military leader here?
T'Challa is the actual general of the Wakandan army, and he's supposed to be a Batman-level genius with far more training than Steve (maybe less experience as of IW, but that's another matter). He's the "prep time" guy of the MCU.
The battle of Wakanda strongly misrepresents T'Challa's intelligence and Wakanda's theorycal firepower. Ultimately the day is saved by the superheroes much like in the battle of New York, and resolved by the deus ex machina of Thor and Wanda joining the battle with their superior powers.
Considering how aliens who try to invade Wakanda are portrayed in comicbooks, it was massively disappointed. I was expecting Wakandans to hold off the aliens and actually kick their butts and only having to retreat when Thanos showed up with the gauntlet. They could have shot the same sequence with the US military at the center stage.
T'Challa is the actual general of the Wakandan army, and he's supposed to be a Batman-level genius with far more training than Steve (maybe less experience as of IW, but that's another matter). He's the "prep time" guy of the MCU.
The battle of Wakanda strongly misrepresents T'Challa's intelligence and Wakanda's theorycal firepower. Ultimately the day is saved by the superheroes much like in the battle of New York, and resolved by the deus ex machina of Thor and Wanda joining the battle with their superior powers.
Considering how aliens who try to invade Wakanda are portrayed in comicbooks, it was massively disappointed. I was expecting Wakandans to hold off the aliens and actually kick their butts and only having to retreat when Thanos showed up with the gauntlet. They could have shot the same sequence with the US military at the center stage.
I'm not going to pretend I know shit about Wakanda. But for a nation that is hidden by camoflauge I would imagine they have not been attacked like that for 100's of years. The last time something like that happened the armies were probably primitive colonialist with primitive weapons, not 4 armed alien species.
So it's understandable
So it's understandable
Eh I give the Wakandans something of a pass because apparently they've never really fought a real war. But reall the idea that they don't understand it's a better idea to stay out and fight from range is pretty laughable. Such is the nature of a superhero fight when half your people use fisti-cuffs.