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Mike Ybarra: PS5 could have better I/O than anything the PC has ever seen
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Rightfully so. After all, storage size matters a whole lot, too, and I don't care what yet another hype-man says, there aren't going to be some better than Optane SSD performance solutions with a reasonable next-gen storage capacity (500GB minimum) for a low enough cost suited for console production.
Especially so, when even a PCI-E 3 nvme SSD provides oodles of storage bandwidth. 3.5GB/s R/W would, in combination with the much better access times over HDDs (*edit, meant HDDs here) , be two worlds of difference already.
Going to like 10GB/s or something insane would have me wonder if the CPU and game Devs can even really draw a significant additional benefit out of it and thermals would likely pose another major problem.
Unless Sony really managed to completely destroy any currently existing formats while being able to produce at a cheap price, no less. In that case, hats off to them.
But I'll believe that when I personally see it, not when hype-men do their usual generational dance.
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D4 won't be out until like 2022/3, PS4 won't be a big deal by then.
I'd also add that consoles are all about compromises. Why would they shoot for the moon for top end technology that has limited benefits outside of content production and synthetic benchmarks.
Yes it will. Unless you think Sony will match the numbers of installed units of PS4s in two years.
Also it's Diablo. They managed to make a very capable port of Diablo 3 to the switch.
I could see it.
The SSD will be customized for console and it will get rid of unneeded parts and provide devs with a different level of access. PC isn't able to utilize absolutely everything the SSD has to offer because there isn't a SSD baseline for all PCs.
Looking forward to the full reveal in a few months.
The SSD will be customized for console and it will get rid of unneeded parts and provide devs with a different level of access. PC isn't able to utilize absolutely everything the SSD has to offer because there isn't a SSD baseline for all PCs.
Looking forward to the full reveal in a few months.
I think it is at least 4 GB/s or more in real application.
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I personally don't give a damn as long as it's at least 1To. If it's an ultra fast SSD then deleting/installing games should take only a few seconds (unless you buy digital of course, in that case you have to download everything again).
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Well, installing will still be limited by the optical drive speed, but deleting is entirely on the SSD (not that on HDD it's that long anyway, ok my point is not the best one).
To be fair, there have been reserved expectations for almost everything next gen up to this point.
"They won't have SSDs"
"They won't have Ray Tracing"
"They won't be above 8TFs"
"They won't have anything better than GCN architecture"
Every single one of those was/will be blown out the water. So, if Sony is suggesting they have a top class SSD, why not entertain it at least?
a screenshot of a (removed?) youtube comment on a unidentified video, that couldn't be more vague, by a guy who was widely loathed up until the day before yesterday
Exactly.
If Sony really have come up with something revolutionary in terms of R/W speed it's application to the PS5 will be small fry compared to the business Sony will be able to do with the big data-centre companies and other people who really care about I/O speed.
Like why waste this on a console when you could have every Blue Chip out there throwing money at you?
Deleting is practically instant on any kind of drive because data doesn't really get "deleted", the headers/pointers just get zeroed. "Deleting" things is not practically speaking an I/O operation, unless you're doing a secure deletion and actually zeroing everything out.
Install / uninstall speed is not going to improve a lot.
Yes. Look at the new Xbox. That thing must pull 200w, which is pretty much the limit on what consoles are allowed to do in the EU.
It's an integrated circuit. When the design is finalised, the cost of reproduction is just a factor of how much silicon is used. The controllers are tiny.
And, better in terms of IOPS/latency/throuput. Sony have already said that their SSD is better than anything PC builders can buy right now. There's no reason to believe Mark Cerny was lying.
On PC you can buy 16X PCI-E 4.0 cards that put 4 NVME drives in RAID0 with large heatsinks and active cooling. Or you could put together multiple RAM disks. That is what you are competing against when you say "anything PC has ever seen".
If he had said "better than a typical gaming PC" then I would find it easier to believe.
He's clearly talking about consumer/mainstream level PCs and not niche enthusiast stuff.
It's not that simple though. As sales of the PS5 increase the active userbase of the PS4 will drop. And the kind of console gamers interested in Diablo 4 are highly likely to be among the group transitioning to next gen consoles within the first few years of its release. If D4 was scheduled for late 2020, then I could understand PS4 support. If it was late 2021, then... maaaaaybe, but it'd still be frustrating to know it was being held back a whole year into a new console generation. But we're genuinely looking at 2022+ for D4's release, where PS4 as a graphical standard makes absolutely no sense.
What is this even supposed to mean? I think Era lives in the platform war bubble too much and are kind of oblivious to the actual industry.
His co-workers and bosses tweeted good things about him. So sounds like it was an amical split.
You don't know what it pulls, regardless the vast majority of that power is going to two places, GPU and CPU. Everything else gets scraps.
Though YBarra is full of shit, often, I don't think he is promising the moon, because in this case the "moon" is somewhat ill defined.
Word. If anything most of the arguing has come from some PC players who can't believe what they're hearing and seeing about next gen consoles after the admittedly out of date at launch XB1 and PS4 hardware.
For console hardware both the Series X and PS5 are going to be absolutely insane.
Yeap, everything is so vague now so people shouldn't rush to conclusions. :D
By that standard I guess you would accept it if he said that the GPU on the PS4 is faster than anything the PC has ever seen, given that fewer than 5% of Steam hardware respondents are running a 2070 or higher.
It's blizzard, it's easier to cancel (go back on) when it's not fully defined.
What does he mean by I/O? He means UI of the OS? or the connectivity inputs outputs of the console like the USB ports, camera ports and stuff like that?
Btw, please don't look at this as a one vs another saying something. I was referring to people here to not go wild until we know more official information. :)
I honestly didn't mean it to come off like that, if you think it will cause any kind of bullshit for you i'll delete it it's not what I intended.
Looking at the Next Gen thread now, people are claiming PS5 will have a 14 TF GPU with 24GB's of RAM, 8/16 of that being HBM2, for as low as $399, some times you need to be conservative, especially after SX is only using 16GB's of RAM, which is smaller than anybody ever thought for a NG Console.
Lots of doubt being thrown around in here for some reason.
This statement from Ybarra corroborates what Cerny said about their customized SSD having more raw bandwidth than any other on PC", and it makes sense completely. PS5 is the baseline hardware. They can work on a solution that gives them lightning fast performance in read speeds (write speeds not so important here) without having to look at supporting the various different configurations of hardware, like with PC hardware.
Sony internally are positioning the PS5 as "the world's fastest gaming console". We've heard from them before that they feel like they feel like PC is their biggest competitor. PC hardware continues to be a moving target so looking for custom solutions which keeps them relatively on par (even for a short while) is not some crazy move.
This statement from Ybarra corroborates what Cerny said about their customized SSD having more raw bandwidth than any other on PC", and it makes sense completely. PS5 is the baseline hardware. They can work on a solution that gives them lightning fast performance in read speeds (write speeds not so important here) without having to look at supporting the various different configurations of hardware, like with PC hardware.
Sony internally are positioning the PS5 as "the world's fastest gaming console". We've heard from them before that they feel like they feel like PC is their biggest competitor. PC hardware continues to be a moving target so looking for custom solutions which keeps them relatively on par (even for a short while) is not some crazy move.
Nobody has confirmed this. I doubt it'll be an in person event tbh. Prolly pre recorded if they do anythign
I believe him. PS5 is making it tough for me to decide which console to get. Their custom loading solution seems to be lightning fast.
Its hilarious to me how many PC gamers are guffawing at the prospects of the new consoles potentially exceeding PC tech when developers who are actually hands on in the trenches with these things are the ones saying it. It's not like random Joe from a gaming message board is making these claims. These are seasoned developers with years and years in the business.
Nope. I'm sure it'll be fine but PC can RAID 0 the best drives for even more unnecessary, massive gains.
Not to mention PCIe 5.0 is coming in 2020, perhaps PS5 will be in line with that?
Obviously it isn't confirmed but it's highly likely they'll reveal it at the next Playstation Event like they did with the PS4. There's also a few rumors suggesting exactly that.
I remember last gen around 2011-12 when people were throwing around next-gen speculations, and anyone who said PS4 would have 4GB GDDR5 memory were being laughed out of the room because highest end cards back then had 1.5-2GB at best. These things are always hilarious in the hindsight.
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