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Mike Ybarra, Corporate VP of Xbox, says critics of an Anthem area are “whining” and it is “embarrassing to review with such a lack of knowledge”
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If he is in fact referencing the Ars Technica review then it's even more embarrassing for Ybarra, because I read it yesterday (It was discussed in the review thread) and like many other reviewers, it's not that he didn't know the combos existed but that the game didn't make a single effort to familiarize you with such a crucial system.
It's OK if as a reader you disagree and don't need the game to make it explicit, but it is completely fair to mention it in a review and completely inaccurate of Ybarra to paint it instead as if the reviewer just wasn't "good" or professional enough at evaluating the game.
So yea, a pretty bad look from someone in his position.
It's OK if as a reader you disagree and don't need the game to make it explicit, but it is completely fair to mention it in a review and completely inaccurate of Ybarra to paint it instead as if the reviewer just wasn't "good" or professional enough at evaluating the game.
So yea, a pretty bad look from someone in his position.
I feel like Microsofts interactions with social media and stuff has been questionable.
At some point oh, we have to stop looking at every little thing as it comes and look at the through line of behavior over the years. This guy suggesting streamers and influencers sort of brings things full circle.
Machinima paid YouTubers up to $30,000 to say positive things about the Xbox One, as part of a secret 2013 agreement with Microsoft about an advertising campaign, according to a Federal Trade Commission investigation made public today.
There's been support of way toxic personalities, a handful of cases now of pushing back on reviews, exerting undue influence like the article above shows, sending out turfers to communities including ours.
Maybe you could call it a string of isolated incidents. In my opinion, it's a pattern.
At some point oh, we have to stop looking at every little thing as it comes and look at the through line of behavior over the years. This guy suggesting streamers and influencers sort of brings things full circle.
Machinima paid YouTubers up to $30,000 to say positive things about the Xbox One, as part of a secret 2013 agreement with Microsoft about an advertising campaign, according to a Federal Trade Commission investigation made public today.
There's been support of way toxic personalities, a handful of cases now of pushing back on reviews, exerting undue influence like the article above shows, sending out turfers to communities including ours.
Maybe you could call it a string of isolated incidents. In my opinion, it's a pattern.
Yeah, Ybarra is being intentionally cagey about which review he's talking about, but I just thought it was this one because the reviewer noted frustration not understanding how 'Combos' worked, and Ybarras explicitly mentioned the reviewer not understanding the combo system when they published their review.
Just seems like a sloppy criticism by Ybarra. And then following it up saying that people shouldn't be influenced by reviewers but they should be influenced by streamers is just bizarre... OR what one is "Embarrassing" while apparently the other isn't...
Why must it be tutorialized, though? Particularly in a game this collaborative, you can kind of expect people just to learn stuff through community and seeing others do it. Telegraphing everything to players often just becomes a tiresome experience when you are trying to stack a bunch of knowledge on someone who has only just started playing.
Remember when Sony sent special instructions to reviewers playing their PS3-exclusive "Lair" because the reviews and impressions were negative and they took the "you're playing it WRONG" approach? That fixed EVERYTHING.
LAIR of course went on to become a major exclusive success that delighted millions and totally didn't come crashing back down, forcing its studio to close up shop. Nope.
You can't always hit a home run. Hell, sometimes you can't even get a base hit. But don't get defensive about it and say the pitcher was throwing the ball weird when you strike out.
LAIR of course went on to become a major exclusive success that delighted millions and totally didn't come crashing back down, forcing its studio to close up shop. Nope.
You can't always hit a home run. Hell, sometimes you can't even get a base hit. But don't get defensive about it and say the pitcher was throwing the ball weird when you strike out.
People are outright defending his bullshit and my trolling is the thing getting called out lol
It's not that gravely important. Time to go "play" Apex.
Well at least you're honest in the end.
He said he found it because he saw something about a combo mentioned in an item description, and then had to go search for the tutorial to learn what it was and discovered the combo system that way. I don't think it's asking too much for the game to say "this is how you do a combo" in the earliest portions of the game since apparently melee is a bigger part of the game than it is in most shooters. Even the Souls games tell you about the parry system at the very start.
Not liking a review is pandering to gg crowd? Gotta be kidding me.
It's fair to think that he shouldn't air out his grievances like that but there's no need for a huge reach like that
There doesn't need to be a tutorial but at the same time, if there isn't one, you can't blame people for not picking up on it. I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand.
Apparently you aren't a real "gamer".
The game needs to teach the mechanic to someone at some point. What if you get grouped into a party and no one has that knowledge?
You will never be qualified to be a modern day reviewer then.
The combo system isn't really about melee (though melee attacks do detonate or in one classes case prime). Its about the interaction of powers, which are the central mechanic of combat in this game. If you've played Mass Effect 3 or Andromeda then they're basically the same as that.
I think the game doesn't tell about it initially because its more advanced play than basic - new players should be focusing on getting comfortable with flying and using powers more than worrying about combos. You can have a build that totally ignores comboes and just does damage.
There is a valid criticism of the game, in that they use some rather unclear icons to designate the primers and detonaters.
Then you fail and learn by watching others succeed? World of Warcraft never tutorializes the crucial heal/tank/DPS threat mechanic, yet it still got across to the community pretty quick.
It's concerning that a lead developer doesn't understand that publicly calling people whiners and embarrassing because they had issues with your game is a problem.
Is this a joke post? I thought Adam deserved what happened to him. He inadvertently leaked/confirmed internal plans and acted like an ass to whoever disagreed. I think some here are over reacting to Mike's tweet but I don't have any sympathy for what happened to Adam.
As far as I've ever researched, the Lair PSN demo was the very first title ever REMOVED from the PSN. Try to find that demo. Even if you downloaded it, you can't redownload it.
Sony nuked the Lair demo before PT was even a glimmer in Kojima's eye.
Is it really so absurd to expect that the game teach a key mechanic of team combat in a tutorial setting?
Ever hear about trial and error? Perfectly valid form of learning a game's mechanics. Look at Destiny Vault of Glass for example. I don't think any of those mechanics are ever spelled out, and many are not even used in the rest of the game at all. There's countless examples of this in games.
Breath of the Wild is another example - how many of the mechanics in that game are directly spelled out to you? VERY few. Much is learned through experimentation, trial and error and emergent gameplay. Compare that to the tutorial-heavy disaster that was Skyward Sword and you can see why developers are opting for this more "old-fashioned" or "schoolyard" style info dispersion in these mechanics heavy RPG games. At least in my opinion.
But you can solo combo it's not team exclusive.
Edit: I agree with you, just misread what you were trying to say.
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Yeah, I'd put blame on the shit UI being a bit of a pain but it's not really hard to grasp, it's the same combo system as Mass Effect 3 and Mass Effect Andromeda.
I actually did it by accident at first and then I was like 'ooohhh yeah, shit, combos!". I'm legit surprised this many people haven't played those games.
How could you possibly have a real discussion if you have no intention of believing anything anyone here says or of ever changing your opinion based on points being made?
Let me phrase it another way: if you have no respect whatsoever for the opinions of others, why should the posters, moderators, and other readers of Reset believe that your posts and the opinions within them have any value at all?
Are your opinions and the content your post inherently more valuable than my contributions?
I'm not trying to derail this conversation or make this personal. I think that a huge part of this issue is lack of understanding in discussion in good faith versus bad faith. I'm trying to see if the people arguing against journalism are able to grasp this concept.
Wow this is embarassing from Microsoft, instead of complaining about reviewers for not giving high enough scores to mediocre games why don't you try to make better games or get promotional deals for better games?
Ha! It is so transparent how MS is defending Anthem, how they are attacking reviewers and how he states his points across, great MS now you look like one of hour fanboys,if you put those tweets togetther you can make a crapgamer video and nobody will notice the difference...
Ha! It is so transparent how MS is defending Anthem, how they are attacking reviewers and how he states his points across, great MS now you look like one of hour fanboys,if you put those tweets togetther you can make a crapgamer video and nobody will notice the difference...
Vault of Glass is a specific Destiny raid. Learning the intricacies of an in-game event is different from learning the very basics of how the game is played.
If you build your combat system with an emphasis around team-based combos, and then the only explanation of what those combos even are is buried deep in a help menu that the game never directs you toward, you screwed up.
So it is even worse that the game doesn't even pretend to teach you, which btw was the actual reviewers criticism, not that he didn't even know how to do them...
If this is the mindset they (people
Will they though ? With this type of mindset ?
And I don't think Battlefield, Fallout and Anthem crashing is just bad luck. Not 3x in a row. It's like they can't escape the wave of medicority, maybe because they make some bad decisions. We'll see next gen but I'm not that optimistic even with all the new studios.
Will they though ? With this type of mindset ?
And I don't think Battlefield, Fallout and Anthem crashing is just bad luck. Not 3x in a row. It's like they can't escape the wave of medicority, maybe because they make some bad decisions. We'll see next gen but I'm not that optimistic even with all the new studios.
A core game play mechanic is different then an instanced puzzle mechanic in a raid.
Why is that? If everyone can trash the game, then why can't he defend it?
Glad I didn't preorder, but the sharks and buzzards are really circling here.
we are talking of a mass market looter shooter, it should tell the players how to fucking play the game and that means explaining how to do those combos because it is a normal game mechanic...that has nothing to do with trial and error or finding it out for yourself.
and it doesn´t have anything to do with Breath of the Wild or raid content either, stop it please
If people are able to beat the game without ever learning combos, then I don't know if you can make the argument that it is a key mechanic.
The level of tutorialization you expect will probably depend on your background and the genres you play. Somebody coming from MMOs or turn-based strategy or fighters probably doesn't expect games to be transparent and extensively documented. Someone used to Ubisoft's adventure games may want everything documented and pinpointed.