That's fair I guess. But the question is, do I care if I "officially" beat the game? No. No, I do not.
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Mike Matei: Switch SNES/NES games should not have a rewind feature, and people who use it did not beat the game
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You know what? I beat the game when I was a kid. Nowadays I play for the fun and nostalgia. I have nothing to prove and I would rather use rewind than deal with the bullshit on 6-1 to 6-4 in Ninja Gaiden again.
I genuinely love when people post something regarding a streamer; thinking that everyone knows who that streamer is. Like, "look at what this person said!!! This is a notable person saying this thing!" and half of us literally have no idea who this person is lol
He's one of the guys behind Angry Video Game Nerd and probably more well-known that 99.9% of Twitch / YouTube / Facebook / Mixer Streamers
Edit: this meme fits even tho he has a point
I don't know who this guy is or what that reply in the OP is trying to say.
But that's dumb, play the damn game with a hundred Game Genie hacks that turn Mario into a squid, who cares?
But that's dumb, play the damn game with a hundred Game Genie hacks that turn Mario into a squid, who cares?
Just like how he censored his racist past on his Wikipedia page. Can't say I'm surprised.
There's a pretty big difference here.
Edit: Also, I'd like to say that it's important not to conflate the idea of finishing the game properly with that being something that is "important". It doesn't make you a worse gamer or a bad person to cheat. But it is cheating.
I do not blame him at all for having this stance. The guy is clearly a traditionalist, and that's okay.
He recently beat Ninja Gaiden NES without dying and without using subweapons. The type of thing that you'd maybe do as a kid, playing over and over until you completely master the game. That's the class of gamer he is. The philosophy of someone willing to do that is completely understandable.
In today's gaming climate, I don't necessarily think there should be any one definition of "beating" a game. I mean, we have guys like Jirard Khalil (The Completionist) whose rating scale goes from "play it" to "finish it" to "complete" it, since many games can be beaten (as in the final boss is beaten), but many also have so much content that they have that next level of "100% completion." Different people may have different criteria.
The old fashioned "get to the end without exploits, cheats, or save states" is still a thing and Matei, as an oldschool collector/gamer, just happens to champion it.
He recently beat Ninja Gaiden NES without dying and without using subweapons. The type of thing that you'd maybe do as a kid, playing over and over until you completely master the game. That's the class of gamer he is. The philosophy of someone willing to do that is completely understandable.
In today's gaming climate, I don't necessarily think there should be any one definition of "beating" a game. I mean, we have guys like Jirard Khalil (The Completionist) whose rating scale goes from "play it" to "finish it" to "complete" it, since many games can be beaten (as in the final boss is beaten), but many also have so much content that they have that next level of "100% completion." Different people may have different criteria.
The old fashioned "get to the end without exploits, cheats, or save states" is still a thing and Matei, as an oldschool collector/gamer, just happens to champion it.
I'm happy whenever anyone who is new to retro games chooses to engage with them, no matter how they choose to sand down the edges.
The SNES offerings on Switch online aren't crazy hard for the most part (obvious exception for Super Ghouls), but whatever keeps these games alive. If they ever add Hagane or some shit, you'll be glad those options exist.
The SNES offerings on Switch online aren't crazy hard for the most part (obvious exception for Super Ghouls), but whatever keeps these games alive. If they ever add Hagane or some shit, you'll be glad those options exist.
Regardless of the man who said it, I agree. Hard to argue that you actually beat the game when you're rewinding after every failure.
The rewinding feature saves you time from having to start a level from the start. Thats all it does.
I don't know this guy, but he's right. If you use the rewind feature, you're a cheater. And that's OK.
A guy who likes writing racist comments and showing his penis to strangers without warning.
No way. If you die you have to go through the effort of getting back to where you were. And in games with limited lives, finishing without getting a game over is part of the challenge.
Eh, It's a game. As long as I'm entertained I'll cheat or play on easy or whatever.
Some people seem to forget that and take stuff way too seriously.
Some people seem to forget that and take stuff way too seriously.
I'm not playing Ghost and Goblins without some kind of rewind or save state feature.
It's supposed to be entertainment not a college exam. Let people be entertained how they see fit.
The guy is a dick but I agree here kinda. It is technically cheating along with save states but it doesn't matter. Play the game how you'd like. Fuck this dude.
That being said games like Super Ghouls 'n Ghosts...don't brag about beating it if you use rewind/save states. Hell, don't brag about beating any game.
That being said games like Super Ghouls 'n Ghosts...don't brag about beating it if you use rewind/save states. Hell, don't brag about beating any game.
Eh he's entitled to his opinion. Just like people are entitled to thinking Trump is anything but a fucking piece of shit. Or like people are entitled to thinking the Earth is flat.
You know. One of those wrong opinions.
How dare Nintendo introduce a feature standard in emulators for 20 years.
You know. One of those wrong opinions.
How dare Nintendo introduce a feature standard in emulators for 20 years.
They're friends and collaborators, and Mike never made any effort to hide this stuff originally. Even if he didn't know about this, I don't know how he'd miss the other stuff Mike's done.
Yeah, no, NES and SNES games are full of bullshit that's only there to increase the difficulty. Imagine if to finish a movie you had to do crazy hard QTEs, and you are like "bruh I just wanna watch the fucking thing" but some gatekeeping elitist asshole tells you you are cheating by doing so.
Such BS.
Such BS.
Yeah, this dipshit's opinion of whether my win was valid or not really matters to me.
Some people forget that the whole point of games is to have fun. If having fun is beating the game without assists, cool. If having fun is using assists to make the game more enjoyable, cool.
As long as you ain't cheating in multiplayer games, who gives a fuck? Giving a shit about "gamer cred" or whatever is laughably stupid.
Some people forget that the whole point of games is to have fun. If having fun is beating the game without assists, cool. If having fun is using assists to make the game more enjoyable, cool.
As long as you ain't cheating in multiplayer games, who gives a fuck? Giving a shit about "gamer cred" or whatever is laughably stupid.
I mean, that's what it is. Games aren't movies. You can just as easily watch a playthrough on youtube to see a game's story. But you can't argue that that's somehow finishing the game. Cheating is cheating. But cheating is ok.
You wouldn't find many people who do use the rewind feature bragging that they "beat" a game
this argument is always super silly to me, same goes for when people try to make out people who play on Easy never truly "finished" a game. It just comes across as self-validation and ego stroking.
Unless we're talking speed runs or other score-based feats, it doesn't matter one iota how another person experienced a game.
this argument is always super silly to me, same goes for when people try to make out people who play on Easy never truly "finished" a game. It just comes across as self-validation and ego stroking.
Unless we're talking speed runs or other score-based feats, it doesn't matter one iota how another person experienced a game.
It's one thing to argue that people didn't "really beat the game"(I'll try not to lose any sleep tonight because I didn't feel like redoing an entire level in G&G.)
But to say these options shouldn't be in at all? Yeah no screw that. I'm not hurting you by cheating at Mario World.
But to say these options shouldn't be in at all? Yeah no screw that. I'm not hurting you by cheating at Mario World.
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