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Midichlorians? JJ explains why they're left out of the new trilogy.
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The existance of midichloreans are pretty inconsequential anyway so there's not really a reason to bring them up.
This.
Midichlorians may be a dumb idea (I don't really care either way about them), but even George Lucas never used the idea beyond The Phantom Menace. It sounds like he realised it was a misstep.
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People need to start reading the thread beyond the OP
I don't think he hates them. I don't think most normal people hate any movie, it's a strong word. He probably just doesn't care for them (like most people) because they aren't good movies.
Yeah. I wonder if people told him this might be a bad idea and he ignored it or if no one had the spine to do so.
A few things that got built properly in the PT are nifty, imo. It's just stuff like this that didn't need explanation because the fans were accepting the "facts" from the old movies caused more confusion than anything.
The premise of the Xenomorph origins are an interesting idea to explore for me. It's just that Scott didn't really pull it off.
This.
But JJ has this fascination for subtly shitting on the prequels (and now TLJ!) to prop up his movies. It's pathetic.
Everyone has them. But higher count means they're force sensitive.
That's my take
Who cares?
Midichlorians existing does not make the force less mystical
Never got the complaints....takes a distinct lack of imagination and tantrum mindset to see midichlorians as 'ruining' the force or making it less mystical
Makes sense the jedi order in their arrogance tried to quantify the force too
Midichlorians existing does not make the force less mystical
Never got the complaints....takes a distinct lack of imagination and tantrum mindset to see midichlorians as 'ruining' the force or making it less mystical
Makes sense the jedi order in their arrogance tried to quantify the force too
It was his way of introducing Power Levels into Star Wars.
Anakin has got a Midichlorian Level of 10000 !
Here he is basically saying
"This was a wonderful idea but to me it's shit so I'm not using it"
There's probably a thousand better ways to say something is not in a movie than shitting on what cane before. It was the same with TFA with him talking about not having pod racers
The fact that he added TLJ into his " they were good but they sucked so I ignored them" comments just makes confirms to me how bad he is for this franchise
I think there a misunderstanding, i know *how* it's supposed to work with the Midichlorians, given my avatar, it's a pretty safe bet i watched those movies often enough.
It's that i (and apparently many others) don't understand why Lucas needed some "biological" or "scientific" explanation of the Force, that has been described as something mystic and spiritual by the OT.
Lucasfilm seems to agree that it was not the best idea at least, seeing as they're trying to keep mentioning those things as minimal as possible. Heck, Rogue One imo goes full into a spiritual/mystic Force again with Chirrut. ^^
That's what I felt about the entire Clone Wars saga. It was mythology when I grew up and that's what made it interesting. The real thing sucked.
You're seeing what you want to see there, not what's actually there.
But the OT already introduced a biological connection when it said the Skywalker family was strong in the force.
Midichlorians are small life forms that are naturally drawn to force sensitive beings. There.
The thing is that even back before Disney took over, there was no basis for midi-cholrians being what creates the force. Even in the old canon they were merely a focus to allow living creatures to use the force, but only if they're sensitive to it in the first place.
Cause then you got stuff like Mortis, The Father, The Son, and The Daughter, who are literally beings born within the Force itself and have no connection to midi-chlorians. Since they're basically the Gods of the Force.
Though you do have the Force Priestesses that live on the Wellspring of Life, the planet where midi-chlorians come from and from what we know are immortal.
Cause then you got stuff like Mortis, The Father, The Son, and The Daughter, who are literally beings born within the Force itself and have no connection to midi-chlorians. Since they're basically the Gods of the Force.
Though you do have the Force Priestesses that live on the Wellspring of Life, the planet where midi-chlorians come from and from what we know are immortal.
He's the kind of person that wants everything he sees on screen explained to him on screen.
He certainly didn't because he's also become obsessed with exploring AI via David. That itself is interesting but not at the expense of the explanation we got for what xenomorphs are and sideswiping them.
I don't see how that's a definitive biological connection/explanation of the Force? This statement about the Skywalker family could've always meant that they're having a higher/closer spiritual connection to it.
Because there's a certain type of Star Wars fan that wants absolutely nothing left to the imagination. They need everything explained.
Now?
That shit was ridiculous when I saw it opening weekend.
I feel like ROTJ establishes it as a biological thing, honestly, when Luke says that even Leia is strong with the Force despite her having almost no awareness of it.
it was just his Irish accent trying to say "mitochondria"
^ my headcannon
oooh I don't know about that
rumour is he wanted 7,8,9 to basically go subatomic, ant-man style or some shit
It was just a throwaway way to demonstrate Anakin's exceptionality, for Qui-Gon to tell he was the "Chosen One." And it makes a certain sense that the then-arrogant Jedi Order would seek to understand the Force scientifically. (It also makes sense that that methodology was lost after the Order's fall.)
Of course, there were better ways it could have been done—showing, rather than telling—and Lucas and Filoni delved more into the Cosmic Force in TCW/Rebels. But the ST hasn't really been interested in expounding on the Cosmic Force's lore as yet.
I never "liked" it myself, but also never hated it as much as so many others. Kind of just shrugged my shoulders at the idea. It never changed my perception of "The Force", obvously there's something in the lore that makes up what the Force is, explaining it (which, ehh, did they really lol?) didn't change anything for me.
I don't even think that was a rumor. Pretty sure that's been confirmed.
I think they were hated from the very start. Harder to tell back in 1999 without all the message boards and online discussions you have today, but I still recall lots of hate for them back then.
It's really funny to see directors and actors deliberately avoiding and talking around their true opinions to keep their professional relationships in tact. There's almost no real point in interviewing them with these kinds of opinion questions that are intended to scrutinize less positive aspects of a film.
It's kind of a contradiction to how The Force is portrayed in the OT. It's like trying to quantify how much someone has faith or how much someone believes in something.
Yeah he basically just wanted some reason for Qui-gon to point to to illustrate why Anakin was special.
Of course all the audience needed was "I can feel the force is exceptionally strong with him." we bought that kind of thing for decades and nothing more was needed.
Now?
Weren't midichlorian just like nanomachines that hooked you up TO the force via some kind of mystical wi-fi? More you had, stronger connection?
I mean "exceptionally strong with the force" is power level bullshit, midichlorians just gave it a biological hook.
Unless I misunderstand what they are?
I mean "exceptionally strong with the force" is power level bullshit, midichlorians just gave it a biological hook.
Unless I misunderstand what they are?
On on hand you could say it's a bad idea, on the other, how do you explain some people just naturally being more gifted in tapping into the force? Even if it's made out to be a religion (which is the way I most enjoy thinking of it), it clearly isn't tied to the strength of devotion or belief sooo
I subscribe to the same reading as you.
They are not the Force, they are attracted to Force users. In this respects Midichlorians are a litmus test.
TBH the ideas were always really similar lol. It only works in SW because the Force is a mystic concept that is more metaphysical than straight up combat strength. In DBZ power levels ruined any notions of skill and technique. Also why it was so hated when it shows up in TPM with Anakin.