Yeah, there's no need to downplay Xbox's contributions. Done a lot of good things.
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Microsoft to acquire Activision Blizzard
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Huge news for the industry, foreboding too. I'm pretty glad I just have a PS5 tbh. It would not sit right with me supporting such a dishonorable company like Microsoft. Like they can't even make games without buying companies out. Sony does it the right way whew.
The deal will finalize in time for MS to get a hot turd CoD off the line instead of Modern Warfare 2.
MS' plan at this point is I think to win the game streaming wars before they effectively start.
Think Take 2/Rockstar will be the next target for MS. Once they have that, they can effectively cripple Sony's attempt to counter Game Pass.
Ruthless strategy? For sure. Effective? Quite probably.
Think Take 2/Rockstar will be the next target for MS. Once they have that, they can effectively cripple Sony's attempt to counter Game Pass.
Ruthless strategy? For sure. Effective? Quite probably.
Honestly, all of Activision's classic arcade style games from the 80's and 90's would be pretty sweet additions to Gamepass...
This is correct. Basically the sexual harassment investigations made this happen, as ghoulish as that is.
Not that MS is wrong to take advantage of the situation.
If it wasn't for Sony to step in and say that they're not locking game disc to a console and allowing allowing you to trade/use on other people consoles, with the PS4, then yes it would have happened.
I don't trust Microsoft (and even Nintendo/Sony to an extent) to do the right thing long term if they are the majority market leader.
All companies smiling your face and then backstab you years later when you have nothing else left. That's why I rather have 3 to 4 consoles on the market for competition sake and for consumers long term. This can apply for pc as well.
They would still get money from the subs in Playstation, and they would be able to get big titles such as Starfield, Halo, Forza, and COD. With people also buying those games (and paying for MTX / DLC in them).
I do have to say - the idea that Sony and MS are now on equal footing is extremely wrong-headed.
Microsoft's purchase of Zenimax already put Microsoft above Sony in number of high-quality first party studios. This purchase puts them on another plane.
I love my PS5 and I love Sony's first party studios and think they will have success, but Microsoft just bought a single publisher whose market cap is 50% of Sony - not Playstation - Sony.
This is a massive merger and there isn't another company out there that is at this size.
Microsoft's purchase of Zenimax already put Microsoft above Sony in number of high-quality first party studios. This purchase puts them on another plane.
I love my PS5 and I love Sony's first party studios and think they will have success, but Microsoft just bought a single publisher whose market cap is 50% of Sony - not Playstation - Sony.
This is a massive merger and there isn't another company out there that is at this size.
Why next three? Is that how long a current marketing deal is for? It's kind of funny seeing the "PlayStation Advantage" trailers/ads after this blockbuster deal.
*Meanwhile, Sony while designing PSN in the mid 2000's.
The idea that Microsoft never comes up with original ideas in the gaming space while all the other big players have always been supposedly always original is bullshit and you know that.
haha, this gif always cracks me up.
For those concerned about Sony, keep it mind they've got the VR console market locked up currently. Dare I say it, a near monopoly when it comes to console makers.
Are we similarly concerned? Given the rise of VR and recent expansion of the market?
Let's put things in perspective, the industry isn't facing something like the collapse of '83. All 3 console makers are doing great. Is it the stalemate everyone has gotten comfortable with over the last few years, no. Change can be scary. Some are scared of the old Microsoft. Some are scared of the old Sony. Some would argue neither have changed.
It's fine to be cautious and adopt a wait and see attitude, but it's way too early to start claiming the sky is falling, already some good has happened.
The same thinking of "its good now, but what about next year" is the same to me when people are scared of getting the vaccine wondering about "what about a year from now?"
Are we similarly concerned? Given the rise of VR and recent expansion of the market?
Let's put things in perspective, the industry isn't facing something like the collapse of '83. All 3 console makers are doing great. Is it the stalemate everyone has gotten comfortable with over the last few years, no. Change can be scary. Some are scared of the old Microsoft. Some are scared of the old Sony. Some would argue neither have changed.
It's fine to be cautious and adopt a wait and see attitude, but it's way too early to start claiming the sky is falling, already some good has happened.
The same thinking of "its good now, but what about next year" is the same to me when people are scared of getting the vaccine wondering about "what about a year from now?"
Completely agree, As long as Nintendo, Sony, EA, Ubisoft etc exist I do not see this acquisition as a problem.
I want to believe you are just oblivious to the acquisitions that Sony has made recently, but this screams Sony fanboy.
I'm sure Sony can work something out with Microsoft that benefits both of them :)
Isn't it something similar with ZeniMax? In that they were looking to sell? Not MS aggressively pursuing?
I really can't tell if these people are trolling or are truly in this weird state of utter denial that their chosen platform of choice was somehow the "wrong choice".
Pretty sure we understood the first time you posted that.
The VR console market is dominated by the Oculus Quest (which basically acts as a console on standalone set up), which will vastly outsell the PSVR2 by being way cheaper and not require a PS5 (a device that is rare) to play.
Lol Colin is straight up a good guy. I don't understand fucking idiots like you personally. Luckily, you don't do podcasts. Luckily people don't have to listen to you. Thank the Lord!
It's a markedly worse deal for them because a micro-fraction of subscription revenue won't make up to the sheer amount of lost sales on third party games that would come as a result of it.
On top of that, would Microsoft even allow them to sell PS5 copies of their first-party games or would you HAVE to use Game Pass as a frontend to access them?
Sony fostered those companies, they made largely or entirely only Sony content, after they proved market viability the founders got a big check and business otherwise went on per usual. Those studios don't exist in their current forms without literally years and millions of dollars of Sony investment prior to acquisition.
Microsoft buys large, independent third parties with no prior co-development relationships, changes basically nothing, other than the business management layer. Added nothing to the company up to that point, only argument for additional value is how much money they can pour into it in the future.
See the difference?
And they do all of that with your data they bought from Microsoft, Google, Amazon, etc..
And where do you draw the line on mass murder? Microsoft actively provides services to the US DoD, a collective umbrella that orchestrated two multi-decade wars that has directly contributed to over a hundred thousand civilian deaths in Iraq and Afghanistan.
People use Facebook's services to orchestrate plans for murder = Facebook bad.
Microsoft provides software that helps target drone strikes = Not MS' fault.
is that the rationale here?
Absolutely agree on the last point, sure, but I don't see how Microsoft is a "better" company today than Facebook. They operate with the same market goals, with people exercising the same playbook.
The only difference is that Facebook's core market is more publicly toxic day to day, but if MS wound up with a Facebook level social media platform would they do any better? The way they aggregate and promote right wing stories as normal news within their web platform's default home pages and their routine inability to clean up XBLA doesn't give a lot of faith.
I don't see how. I think it could be beneficial for both. Microsoft would for sure let Sony get a cut from the subscriptions that are made through their consoles - It's all a matter of talking at the end of the day.
People look at the previous gen as a stomping even though Xbox One likely ended up selling around half of what the PS4 sold.
For comparison the PS2 sold 150 million units and the OG Xbox only did 23 million. There has never been a gaming company as dominant as Sony in the early 2000s.
Isn't Microsoft not in the VR space console-wise because they chose not to...? If so, then I am not concerned. I could have sworn Microsoft themselves did not see the benefit of them going into VR at this moment in time.
Jeff Grubb talked about this on the Bombcast and he mentioned something about Microsoft maybe wanting GamePass on Sony consoles and this acquisition might make it more alluring to Sony so who knows what happens down the line. I mean if we get Gamepass on Sony and Nintendo somehow then that would be good. I doubt it'll happen within the next few years though, at all.
How would those control in 2022? Like, I loved them back in the day but with today's gaming, that whole "drive and shoot" thing just always felt a lil "off" back then. How can you make something like that feel great today?
I'm all for car combat titles returning but I want them to actually feel as great as possible. I don't think I've ever played one who's controls blew me away.
Jeff Gearstmann mentioned something recently that made me think about car combat games.
How would those control in 2022? Like, I loved them back in the day but with today's gaming, that whole "drive and shoot" thing just always felt a lil "off" back then. How can you make something like that feel great today?
I'm all for car combat titles returning but I want them to actually feel as great as possible. I don't think I've ever played one who's controls blew me away.
There is zero chance any new COD after deal closes gets on Playstation unless Sony caves and puts Microsoft's Gamepass on there.
Ngl, kinda wondering how Sony is going to keep up with this squeeze being put on them. Microsoft well and truly playing hard ball.
Why would there come an increase of lsot sales on third party games? That is not what MS is seeing.
Why would MS make subscription only their games in Playstation? It is not like Sony users money is different than in Xbox or Steam. If people dont want the sub but want to give Microsoft free money they are more than happy to get it.
Microsoft is transitioning into a service model. They want to be everywhere a customer is to get their money.
They is kinda right. I have a series x and all I feel is dishonor and shame.
*Meanwhile, Sony while designing PSN in the mid 2000's.
The idea that Microsoft never comes up with original ideas in the gaming space while all the other big players have always been supposedly always original is bullshit and you know that.
I never said they've never been creative or smartz I've owned ever Xbox since they entered gaming because I enjoyed their games and services. Just that they've not been creative or smart enough to lead their peers. If they do in future, it will predominantly be because they had far more money to spend.
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He got a black girlfriend you fucking idiot. Man, this shit is crazy. I don't know why he got a 🎯 on his head. But damn, if you don't know shit, stfu please...
I could see Microsoft trying to buy Valve next. They would get the Windows store they always wanted in the form of Steam, and VR tech they could transition to Xbox.
They will surely try and have some big titles in day 1, but slowly port some of them into the system, kinda like what it happened with Zenimax.
No. You're not thinking big enough. Microsoft isn't doing this to win the console wars. If they cared about that, they wouldn't publish games on PC and Switch.
Microsoft wants to be gaming. They want game pass to exist on every platform under the Sun. They want everyone to have a sub. Think Netflix for streaming but even grander because no one is even trying to compete with Microsoft.
Microsoft doesn't care about Sony like you think they do. PlayStation can be how you play. They want Xbox to be what you play. If MS is successful, there won't even be an Xbox console in two generations.
You don't see Amazon or Apple refusing to put their apps on Roku despite having streaming platforms of their own.
Yea Blizzard. I don't even know what Activision makes anymore if anything.
Honestly? It's probably a contractual thing. Lots of stuff like that is, whether we want it to be or not.No one on this thread seems at all upset that MS has already announced they're keeping Kotick, so yeah, pretty illuminating.
Microsoft Buys Activision Blizzard, Bobby Kotick Staying As CEO
Shoackingly, Microsoft has purchased Activision Blizzard. The transaction is valued at $68.7 billion and Bobby Kotick will remain as CEO.techraptor.net
They don't exactly publish on Switch anymore outside of Minecraft. They pretty much stopped after using the Switch versions of Ori and shit for a marketing win.
E3 time 2023 big drop all at once - or maybe even earlier if a deal is struck. That's sort of what happened with Bethesda. Majority of their stuff all came at once.
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