The idea is that there would be a base console/low end console and one higher end console. The higher end one being in that range.
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Microsoft teases Xbox Scarlet for E3 presser
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So they can claim to be both more powerful AND cheaper than the PS5. Pretty smart move.
I can't believe they're going to go through with this (if true). Never in the history of videa-games has this ever worked (Xbox 360 Arcade, PS3 20GB) and if anything sometimes stifled development for years afterwards.
Same rationale they had with 360 with the Core and Pro model.
Different price points for different budgets. This time it's a greater difference but as long as both models are viable, it'll work.
Interested in see exact details today.
But they aren't. Its going to be either more powerful OR cheaper, not both, and maybe even nothing comparible to PS5 (if one assumes that will be at a mass market price).
I just don't see it. No one is gonna want the weaker console if they're jumping into next get at launch. Now a cheaper console 1-2 years down the road? Sure. I just don't know.
It's a risk but it may work.
If the lower end is a X replacement with Zen I can see it being maybe viable.
It'll be aimed for non 4K gamers. The scalability of game engines nowadays means that the extra power is used for resolution and effects, while both consoles will obviously work with XCloud and the rest of the new Xbox platform.
It may just be a truly stupid idea but as consoles are a weird bubble where it's flagship or nothing, this approach may just work. Or it'll go pft!
How many people even here state they have no interest in a 4K TV.
If there's no functionality difference between the two, and at 1080p it is roughly the same experience it may work out.
Especially for developing markets. A high priced premium console may not hit the marks outside of US and Western Europe while a cheaper one that can do most of the next gen features yet cost a lot less may well be more welcome.
Here come the specs police to shoot down your hopes and dreams. Just have fun tomorrow everyone. Erase all expectations.
Won't the weaker console be the PS5 too compared to the high-end model?
Well no, not in the same box obviously. But they'll have both those options compared to the PS5, which seems like an excellent strategy marketing wise.
Well I meant in terms of the same ecosystem.
No way, if anything they could have a throwaway line of "we have one SKU so devs can focus on making the best possible experience" and that's a fairly easy PR line to tow.
That is what I meant. Like have 95% of the audience buy the basic model and us snobs buy the premium one.
Is that actually true though? I don't think the 360 Arcade edition sold more, but I could be wrong.
This is not nearly as catchy as let's say "you can jump in to next gen for just 299 and play all the new games with your friends at FULL HD or if you are an enthusiast, you can go all out with our Premium Model, the most powerful console on the planet, X times as fast as our competitor"
Non gaming media will pick this up as: "MS has shown their Next-Gen offering today which is significantly more advanced compared to its main competitor sony. The company says the starting model of the game console will launch at 299 and the premium option will go up to 699. Sonys console will start at 449."
At least that's what they are planning I imagine.
Different times and totally different price point arguments.
One was pointless to do because of the requirement of a HDD to actually use the console properly.
This will be the full experience but with less graphic prowess. Like the X Vs S. The key is that the base unit doesn't feel underwhelming compared to the PS5 because that'll be the comparison point.
If MS are smart, they'll make the CPU and GPU on the base model comparable to PS5 power but maybe missing stuff like a huge SSD etc to make it cheaper than the Sony console. The higher end model would be more powerful and match the other features of PS5.
If the selling points are "As good as the PS5 for games but cheaper, and a better premium experience for those who want it" it can work.
It's a weird feeling for me this. I'm usually excited about new hardware but honestly I'm not ready. Going from an Xbox One which for me was the worst console I've ever owned and then to the Xbox One X which didn't feel like a mid gen upgrade, it felt like a a brand new generation of hardware, the thing is a beast. I just cant get excited for yet more new hardware from MS, I still feel like theres so much more potential in my Xbox One X left. But then I'm left with the feeling if I don't upgrade to scarlett am i getting left behind, am I missing out etc you know. I feel like the PS4 is different in this respect, I feel like theres lots to improve upon, power, features, fan issues etc. I just dont see aside from pure power how you improve over the X, it's almost perfect.
The CPU on the X is still awful.
A new gen will allow developers to work to a decent CPU which will allow for better AI, physics, and lots more besides.
It'll help stuff like the OS too which chugs quite a bit.
I think it's kinda stupid for them 2 have both at launch. The smart thing is just start with the base console, then a couple years later release the more powerful console and then you get the double dippers. I suppose if they launch both it is better for consumers since you can just buy the more powerful one at launch instead of double dipping, unless they still come out with a pro or x model a few years later.
If it was me, I would have just kept the xbox one x as the base console and then launch with the lower specced console, then 2 years later bring out the pro model and then discontinue the xbox one x.
Also to think about it, the lower specced console could be just a streaming box, then that would make sense with what they are doing
If it was me, I would have just kept the xbox one x as the base console and then launch with the lower specced console, then 2 years later bring out the pro model and then discontinue the xbox one x.
Also to think about it, the lower specced console could be just a streaming box, then that would make sense with what they are doing
I would imagine that the logic behind releasing two systems is the same. The console market seems to be comprised of two main groups: core gamers, who will buy these devices at launch when the value proposition isn't that great, and the budget conscious who will be looking for the cheapest way to play next -gen games. Having the power advantage means that you can entice core console gamers that won't mind a higher price and having the price advantage means that you can pull in the budget conscious with a device that is cheaper than the competition throughout the generation.
Xbox devs will have to support a range a PC configurations anyway, so it would be a wasted opportunity not to take advantage of a cheaper option. If the only significant differences are a GPU aimed at 1080p, and less frame buffer memory, they could have a console roughly comparable to PS5, just aimed at 1080p screens, and at a lower price. Not a bad strategy.
The cheapest and more popular option to play next gen games is PS4 and Xbox one. There will be cross gen games for a couple years. Sony will be using PS5 for Core gamers and PS4 for the cheaper gamers.
At some point developers will stop developing for the current generation. Then customers will have to buy a new console and many will go for the cheaper one.
Lol I have zero intention of buying a console but the hype still manages to pull me in.
By that time you ensure you are the dominant console and then price won't matter as much . Xbox one is cheaper a lot of the time but PS4 still sales more.
If I wasn't planning on getting nary a console, I don't think I'd be excited for either showcase. But I'm gonna be a day one PS5 owner guaranteed, so even just looking at the sort of games that'll be on next-gen Xbox hardware benefits me.
That's true. I play on PC so the conference is still very relevant to me. I was more referring to the talk about the specs and different models. That's very interesting to me even though I don't intend on buying any.
Enjoy the conference its supposed to be one for the ages.
Ever thought of trying VR? Reignited my whole passion/desire to play games again, Which then translated back to flat gaming again.
Sometimes you just need a complete new way to experience a video game.
BC, good price/power ratio, Sequals to GotY award winning games with close to 10 million sales in some cases, no negative PR at launch, get the important marketing deals. Make sure you have a huge advantage world wide.
They should open with a clip of don mattrick talking about sports and tv then cut with static to the console reveal.
Exciting. Let's see what they show, would be surprised if they showed too much of it yet, if it is indeed releasing holiday 2020.
But insider reports don't point towards the Scarlet being more powerful than the PS5. They're both rumored to be on par.
Tried VR at an expo in 2016, Instantly wanted it then and haven't looked back since. Which in turn made me appreciate gaming again.
Ready for an Xbox comeback. Loved the 360 to death.
Ready to see next gen games! I'm already very happy with current gen tech and have a tough time thinking about vastly superior graphics!
Ready to see next gen games! I'm already very happy with current gen tech and have a tough time thinking about vastly superior graphics!
The lower spec is designed to play next ten games at 1080p 60FPS.
It's for people without the need for 4K.
That's awesome. VR is pretty incredible even in it's current state. I can't wait to see where it goes.
I like the fact that they are launching the standard and "pro" versions side by side. When Sony announced the Pro version I was annoyed, to say the least as I would always prefer to own the better hardware. My normal PS4 is usable but has a fault that makes it pretty much unsellable (unless I cheat people which I am not going to do), so I never upgraded to Pro, mostly out of spite. I know, I know....
At least Microsoft are giving the option to get the "better" console out of the door (unless they release another even better one two years down the road, which is there no guarantee they won't).
At least Microsoft are giving the option to get the "better" console out of the door (unless they release another even better one two years down the road, which is there no guarantee they won't).
People have no problems dropping £1000 on a new phone.
MS should look into the mobile phone market for inspiration, a 24 month contract to cover the console cost and mandatory Xbox Gold subscription.
Console can be a higher price, better specs and more accessible.
MS should look into the mobile phone market for inspiration, a 24 month contract to cover the console cost and mandatory Xbox Gold subscription.
Console can be a higher price, better specs and more accessible.