After actually reading the article, your OP seems highly disingenuous.
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Microsoft joins group that would prevent lawsuits against companies causing climate change (With support from WWF).
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After actually reading the article, your OP seems highly disingenuous.
I amnot sure any tech company/product, currently, is exactly environmentally friendly. I mean, the metals, the plastics, the power use, the scale, the distribution, the waste at the end. It's all poor form as far as I can tell.
Geeez Microsoft... You gained alot of good will from me after that superbowl commercial for disabled gamers, but this is all kinds of fucked up. Looks like that public facing side and the rest of you (including the sexual harassment of women at your company) is the real mega corporation you are, who'd have thought?
Any comment from the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation about this? Thought they were all about sustainability and renewable energy and all that.
Any comment from the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation about this? Thought they were all about sustainability and renewable energy and all that.
Not shocking at all
One of the reasons so many companies loved The Paris Agreement is that there was no legal action or major ramifications against the largest emitters, both corporate and nation.
It's why companies who lobbied against Paris were extremely foolish and why some companies even left pro-oil lobbying efforts that attack Paris Accord.
They have one of the best agreements for themselves they can get, especially the US and other western nations. If Paris Accord crumbles, the next global agreement will 100% go after companies and countries for damages caused.
This effort seems to be two fold
1) Lobby for a tax on emissions
2) Entice companies to join in on this effort by protecting them from legal liability for past emissions.
There is a fair debate on if getting companies on board with such a tax/fee is worth the essential bribe/protection.
Maybe if people actually read ahahahaha just kidding nobody reads anything anymore
One of the reasons so many companies loved The Paris Agreement is that there was no legal action or major ramifications against the largest emitters, both corporate and nation.
It's why companies who lobbied against Paris were extremely foolish and why some companies even left pro-oil lobbying efforts that attack Paris Accord.
They have one of the best agreements for themselves they can get, especially the US and other western nations. If Paris Accord crumbles, the next global agreement will 100% go after companies and countries for damages caused.
This effort seems to be two fold
1) Lobby for a tax on emissions
2) Entice companies to join in on this effort by protecting them from legal liability for past emissions.
There is a fair debate on if getting companies on board with such a tax/fee is worth the essential bribe/protection.
Maybe if people actually read ahahahaha just kidding nobody reads anything anymore
I thought it was obvious that Microsoft is a videogames company and that videogames contribute to the genocide that's about to happen in this century, but I guess I was wrong
Not sure why the OP decided not to put the reason Microsoft did this.
Microsoft has said it was motivated to join the CLC due to its support for a price on carbon, which it has backed in Washington state and sees as a key method to drive down emissions. The tech company already charges itself an internal $15-a-ton carbon fee on everything from employee travel to electricity used on its premises. By next year, Microsoft expects its data centers will use 60% renewable energy.
"We are getting extremely impatient, frankly, for policy action on climate change," Lucas Joppa, chief environmental officer at Microsoft, told the Guardian. "We support a carbon fee because we believe it's a policy mechanism that works and accords with economic principles. For us, joining the CLC gives us the opportunity to have this debate at a federal level."
Joppa would not be drawn, however, on Microsoft's support for the idea of handing legal immunity to fossil fuel producers. "There are a lot of details involved and we are interested in being part of the conversation," he said. "The devil is in the detail. We are looking to take an inclusive approach. We need to transition away from the use of fossil fuels but that isn't going to happen without the inclusion of the fossil fuel sector."
Microsoft has said it was motivated to join the CLC due to its support for a price on carbon, which it has backed in Washington state and sees as a key method to drive down emissions. The tech company already charges itself an internal $15-a-ton carbon fee on everything from employee travel to electricity used on its premises. By next year, Microsoft expects its data centers will use 60% renewable energy.
"We are getting extremely impatient, frankly, for policy action on climate change," Lucas Joppa, chief environmental officer at Microsoft, told the Guardian. "We support a carbon fee because we believe it's a policy mechanism that works and accords with economic principles. For us, joining the CLC gives us the opportunity to have this debate at a federal level."
Joppa would not be drawn, however, on Microsoft's support for the idea of handing legal immunity to fossil fuel producers. "There are a lot of details involved and we are interested in being part of the conversation," he said. "The devil is in the detail. We are looking to take an inclusive approach. We need to transition away from the use of fossil fuels but that isn't going to happen without the inclusion of the fossil fuel sector."
More like the headline is highly disingenuous.Then again, that's how clickbait works.
I swear sometimes this forum is becoming a parody of itself.
Read the damn article before posting. This seems pretty critical:
Read the damn article before posting. This seems pretty critical:
Heh you kid, but the irony is they probably shake their heads at Fox News viewers about being easily manipulated.
When the OP fails to actually read what is in the content the OP posts. Unless of course thats an MS box?
This part is a major yikes:
CORPORATIONS are meant for ONE THING and that alone- Profits.
No corporation, Sony, MS, Nintendo, none of them are your friend or are proactively environmentally conscious and part of it comes down the manufacturing processes and who they are contracted out to.
Any and ALL measures to curb environmental footprints, organizing climate conservation movements and pledging to charities and movements that aim to protect the environment do so to conform to government enforced regulations and for the sake of earning positive image and people's good will respectively. And all of that is meant to drive sales and increase the bottom line.
Hbomber's video on "Woke brands" illustrate this point very clearly, albeit when it pertains to sociopolitical movements.
CORPORATIONS are meant for ONE THING and that alone- Profits.
No corporation, Sony, MS, Nintendo, none of them are your friend or are proactively environmentally conscious and part of it comes down the manufacturing processes and who they are contracted out to.
Any and ALL measures to curb environmental footprints, organizing climate conservation movements and pledging to charities and movements that aim to protect the environment do so to conform to government enforced regulations and for the sake of earning positive image and people's good will respectively. And all of that is meant to drive sales and increase the bottom line.
Hbomber's video on "Woke brands" illustrate this point very clearly, albeit when it pertains to sociopolitical movements.
I would recommend reporting the OP and have the mods take a look at changing it.
This forum should be informative, and not just make click-baity threads with little details. The fact it doesnt even have the reason Microsoft did what they did comes off as being incredibly disingenuous.
They likely think the end goal of FINALLY getting a carbon tax is more important. They may be right, we needed one to be implemented decades ago.
I can read, but I assumed the OP would be posting in good faith which was my mistake.
The sad part is we must go back and create enticements like this to get larger business on board. I recall one of my dive instructors who worked most of the year as a marine biologist describe the concept of just giving an out to major energy companies to get everyone on board to saving the planet. This was in the mid 90's and that conversation was depressing in general.
It basically sounds like past-laundering.
"Yeah we swear we'll help now so please don't penalize us any more."
Looooooooool, fuck that.
I BELIEVE IN PHIL SPENCER.
Pretty shitty decision MS.
Edit: ok, more than meets the eye with this one, glad we got that mod edit.
Pretty shitty decision MS.
Edit: ok, more than meets the eye with this one, glad we got that mod edit.
Count me as one then, the whole premise is just ridiculous anyway.
He posted this in the game boards originally. I'm thinking it might have been a "hate on microsoft" console wars bandwagon that backfired once people informed themselves
After reading a bit, this doesn't sound as bad as Op made it out to be. :/ Still kinda shitty these companies don't get to be punished for the past actions.
So basically:
A lot of these companies are looking to fight against climate change as long as they are not sued for fucking it up for the past 50 years? Is that correct?
If it is, still kinda fucked up that these companies won't see repercussions for what they've done but whatever.
A lot of these companies are looking to fight against climate change as long as they are not sued for fucking it up for the past 50 years? Is that correct?
If it is, still kinda fucked up that these companies won't see repercussions for what they've done but whatever.
this CLC group is bullshit!!!!!
Exxon knew for YEARS that they were causing damage, now to cover their own ass they come up with this "im sorry I got caught" group!
nah, nah... this is bad. I don't care that they are trying to fix the issue now, you HAVE to suffer the consequences of your malicious actions. Joining this group is exonerating Exxon for crimes against humanity. MS joining this group is bad optics and I can't stand for it.
Exxon knew for YEARS that they were causing damage, now to cover their own ass they come up with this "im sorry I got caught" group!
nah, nah... this is bad. I don't care that they are trying to fix the issue now, you HAVE to suffer the consequences of your malicious actions. Joining this group is exonerating Exxon for crimes against humanity. MS joining this group is bad optics and I can't stand for it.
Because they know dropping billions of dollars of fines on companies for something that was never taken seriously until relatively recently isn't a way to move forward.
As far as oil companies, they're trying to do something because they're going to be hit the hardest regardless with more and more companies pledging to move to renewable energy, like MS is.
LOL I'm sure Phil Spencer had a say in this...wtf why is he or XBox even being brought up by anyone....
If it was, not one console should be bought by the OP then.
I read the article and now can confidently say - Shitty call, MS. They're trying to hide behind this saying "it's all about our support for a carbon tax" and then totally waffle on the question of legal immunity. If you support a carbon tax there are definitely other organizations out there not run but conservatives and oil companies that are far less problematic.
Many people are too addicted to money to change without enticement. Getting companies and people onboard is what's most important here. Once that happens a lot of conservative opposition will dissipate. They only care about money, so give it to them on the condition that they get out of the way.
Why not, exactly?
Seems like they want to fight climate change while preserving corporate power/profits.
Fucking LOL.
This is a pretty naked attempt to preserve corporate power when they're liable to be held accountable for abusing that power and not a moment sooner.
People saying no one is reading the article, my issue is trying to gain immunity for past actions is a Ted Faro level of disgusting. Regardless of the carbon based stuff in here, you don't get to erase history.
Exactly, the wealth of oil companies is going to evaporate. Their time is coming.
