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Microsoft is making a case for Game Pass with the diversity of their line-up
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I don't even know how they can afford to provide Gamepass. I have like 32 games on Xbox one X now through the service. It's amazing. But we already knew that. It's great t have these games coming in the next few years, now sell me on that new box you got there.
If you really got it you'd be posting your own gamepass thread instead of reading this one. ;)
Already talks about it being more MMO like in terms of continued time spent in the world. ONLY way that happens is they add content to it.
Rumor: Fable 4 will be 'MMO-lite'
Fable 4, or the Fable reboot that Microsoft just revealed, might have some MMO-like qualities, if some industry insiders are to be believed.
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Boil the frog method of subscription services. Get people in cheap as low as a dollar, but make it back tenfold over the course of a few years, with some incremental price increases. Which I foresee happening as soon as the first party games hit.
Yeah I could maybe see Halo Infinite being GaaS, but there's also so much pressure on Halo Infinite to sell people on an XSX that I can see them making everything in it free to get on people's good side.
Everwild is anyone's guess lol.
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It isn't even a very diverse picture either. Two RPG's and.. something. Thought it was a cool image though. ;)
It's honestly been a gamechanger for me and discovering games. I have quite a bit of expendable income to spend on games, but I'm not going to buy random games that I don't think i'd like.
But being able to try random games has led to me buying quite a few games I never would have thought i'd like. I bought Snowrunner after realizing how much I love Mudrunners. I bought Children of Morta, Outer Wilds, Dishonored 2, and many others that I thought would not be for me and never would have considered buying previously.
It has that same feeling of Netflix where I'll think "I don't think this will be for me" but there's no barrier to clicking a button and finding out.
But being able to try random games has led to me buying quite a few games I never would have thought i'd like. I bought Snowrunner after realizing how much I love Mudrunners. I bought Children of Morta, Outer Wilds, Dishonored 2, and many others that I thought would not be for me and never would have considered buying previously.
It has that same feeling of Netflix where I'll think "I don't think this will be for me" but there's no barrier to clicking a button and finding out.
It's an incredible value, but much of what they showed in the showcase won't be there until a couple years later at the earliest.
If there's a lot of good next gen third party stuff on there, great.
If there's a lot of good next gen third party stuff on there, great.
While it has great variety, it also doesn't have stuff from specific niches i like. But that's my problem, not MS's.
In general japanese publishers seems more resistant to the model tho (more resistant to Xbox in general, probably), i wonder if it will change in the future.
In general japanese publishers seems more resistant to the model tho (more resistant to Xbox in general, probably), i wonder if it will change in the future.
Case for game pass was already strong enough even before this showing, it's value is utterly bonkers for what it is offering.
The reason for the disappointment from their showcase is, that they didn't make a strong case for Series X. There was nothing running on the dev-kit, no eye-ball melting graphics which me (and many others) were expecting. Even the image in your OP, how long until we get to play even 1 of those titles. The diversity in the lineup is great but what's the roadmap of games in the coming year or two? When can we play them? These are all valid questions before those on the periphery jump in on the service.
The reason for the disappointment from their showcase is, that they didn't make a strong case for Series X. There was nothing running on the dev-kit, no eye-ball melting graphics which me (and many others) were expecting. Even the image in your OP, how long until we get to play even 1 of those titles. The diversity in the lineup is great but what's the roadmap of games in the coming year or two? When can we play them? These are all valid questions before those on the periphery jump in on the service.
I think most will come around to the model if they see that it can be lucrative in short bursts. On the service for a few months and bounce off. I don't ever see most major pubs doing day and dates on games but I see them letting games on after a year or two.
i see the whole industry treating the subs like Hollywood treats movies. Consoles are the theaters, subs are the video on demand months Or years after release. I def see Sony more than likely taking that approach. I don't see them ever in the next decade or more doing day and date on PSNow.
The value is what''s making a case for GP. In terms of diversity it's just microsoft closing the gap after years of relying on racers and shooters imo.
I didn't mean casuals, just people with a taste for popular games and genres, they will surely find something to play. But yeah I think you're right cause you just described me.
Which is wrong because...? I didn't mean it perojatively. "People who play games and like mainstream stuff who make a great target audience for gamepass" that better officer?
Game Pass is obviously a fantastic deal. As a side note it's starting to feel odd just how many threads are created to say how good of a deal Game Pass is as if it's not constantly being said, but I digress...
Microsoft has been working hard to improve its library of games, but I think it would be wise to actually wait and see. The past two generations started out with some really good stuff only for the second half to be relatively barren. It's not just quantity either, but quality. Just think about this:
There has only been one year this generation where a Sony exclusive game wasn't in the top 3 games for general GOTY. And of these years they will have the predominant GOTY game what, 4 years? Maybe 5 depending on how you view it. When was the last Microsoft exclusive that was a top 5 GOTY game? Has there been one this generation?
The only reason I bring that up is because when people talk about Game Pass the counterpoint to it often is PS4 and PS5 has games I just can't pass on. The same would be true to some for Xbox even without GP, but while Microsoft has definitely improved their overall diversity they still need to prove they can consistently deliver high quality, AAA games. That's the main thing that sells a lot of people in getting a console.
Now I've been pretty vocal in saying I think Ninja Theory and Obsidian will be able to deliver GOTY caliber games so I hope this doesn't come across too negative. I just believe, for whatever reason, some really want to be early on saying Microsoft has addressed their big first party game development weakness before they actually prove that they have done that. Game Pass is a great service, but it's existence doesn't somehow shut down the criticism of Microsoft's history of exclusive output.
Microsoft has been working hard to improve its library of games, but I think it would be wise to actually wait and see. The past two generations started out with some really good stuff only for the second half to be relatively barren. It's not just quantity either, but quality. Just think about this:
There has only been one year this generation where a Sony exclusive game wasn't in the top 3 games for general GOTY. And of these years they will have the predominant GOTY game what, 4 years? Maybe 5 depending on how you view it. When was the last Microsoft exclusive that was a top 5 GOTY game? Has there been one this generation?
The only reason I bring that up is because when people talk about Game Pass the counterpoint to it often is PS4 and PS5 has games I just can't pass on. The same would be true to some for Xbox even without GP, but while Microsoft has definitely improved their overall diversity they still need to prove they can consistently deliver high quality, AAA games. That's the main thing that sells a lot of people in getting a console.
Now I've been pretty vocal in saying I think Ninja Theory and Obsidian will be able to deliver GOTY caliber games so I hope this doesn't come across too negative. I just believe, for whatever reason, some really want to be early on saying Microsoft has addressed their big first party game development weakness before they actually prove that they have done that. Game Pass is a great service, but it's existence doesn't somehow shut down the criticism of Microsoft's history of exclusive output.
I'm incline to agree with you about Halo. I don't think everything will be free since they mentioned this was the basis for the next 10 years of Halo, but I do think they'll be more than fair with how it would work if it's going to lean heavily into the GaaS model.
The thing is, I'm seeing a lot of big, paid titles adopt the free to play model. Destiny did it, Rocket League is doing it, etc. They do this because they switched to a model where spending money in game is far more important than the initial sale. So adding games like this to Gamepass when they're becoming free anyway doesn't mean much to me, because they'll design the games that way.
But yeah, I need to see more of the games before I decide. I do think Gamepass is a good deal as is and that's probably what I'd use if I did get a Series X.
You don't have to open the thread.
Whining and complaining about them reflects poorly on you.
xCloud is the clear endgame for that as well. no waiting for a download, just a button press and i'm ready to see if Neir or Dragon Quest is for me
I don't think you understand what the definition of "diverse" is.
Hell, they made their case when they gave me 3 years for a dollar. All these new great looking games coming to the service day one are just gravy
I'm not whining. But since it upsets you that much I've taken the comment back to not derail. But it still stands.
It's a message forum. There's an ignore thread feature. Just don't understand what complaining about threads does when you can easily remove them from view lol.
Already talks about it being more MMO like in terms of continued time spent in the world. ONLY way that happens is they add content to it.
Rumor: Fable 4 will be 'MMO-lite'
Fable 4, or the Fable reboot that Microsoft just revealed, might have some MMO-like qualities, if some industry insiders are to be believed.
All insiders are saying that it has a social aspect like Forza Horizon but a step forward, I wouldn't count that as service game example SoA or Destiny.
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While Microsoft hasn't been able to get some Japanese titles on the service day one, there is content from Japanese developers on the service. Last week they announced Dragon Quest XI S. And Yakuza Kiwami 2 is coming in a couple of days.
Currently on the service:
- Monster Hunter World
- Soul Calibur VI
- Final Fantasy IX
- Yakuza 0
- Yakuza Kiwami
- Final Fantasy XV
- Ace Combat 7
- Devil May Cry 5
- Kingdom Hearts HD 1.5 + 2.5 Remix
- Kingdom Hearts 2.8 Final Chapter Prologue
- Kingdom Hearts 3
- NieR: Automata
Probably forgetting some stuff too.
It's just.. their first party and publishing arm still don't have any reach in Japan it seems. Which I agree, makes it harder to cater to certain audiences for sure. So, coming back to my OP I really believe they are lacking in that regard.
They should have really just called it the gamepass showcase.
Still the lineup looks great and the fact i snagged a sub deal until 2022 means i have no qualms about getting a Series X day one
Still the lineup looks great and the fact i snagged a sub deal until 2022 means i have no qualms about getting a Series X day one
Yeah we pretty much have the same view. I actually have all 3 consoles and barely even touch gamepass because I'm not going to play a game for the sake of it being available for free on the service and most of the Japanese games they have been adding I already played years ago on PS4. My time is limited and I always find myself playing games on my Playstation because I have no problem paying for quality games. That's not to say gamepass doesn't have really good games but MS first party is really behind in terms of quality compared to Sony first party. That's just my 2 cents
As someone who has a great PC and doesn't own an Xbox, I want to like Game Pass, but the Windows store makes that difficult as it's still pretty shitty. Thanks for a lot of games, but come the fuck on with your glitchfest of a store.
I guess it's ok. My problem with game pass (PC) to date is that there's always a new full priced game, not on game pass, that I would rather play than play anything on game pass. My taste in games doesn't match up well with what's available on game pass. I've only finished Gears 5 (which sucked) and Ori and the Will of the Wisps (which was fantastic). I've tried a few other games, but none of them kept my interest when I could be playing something else of more interest to me. The upcoming line-up does little for me currently, I'll need to see much more of those games, but there's a few of them that have potential. Some of those are currently nothing more than a CGI trailer.
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Your not impressed you can play all of that for just 120$?
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Yeah, valid point. If you're good with paying for games you just want to play at that moment, Game Pass won't do much for you.
What should MS add to their first party portfolio to make you more interested?
The diversity in MS 1st party is so much better than it used to be . Its pretty exciting .
And with gamepass I get to try games I probably wouldn't have bought.
And with gamepass I get to try games I probably wouldn't have bought.
How long will it take until xCloud is a streaming service that the masses will be able to use on any device?
Because until that point, Microsoft still need to be trying to sell Xbox consoles. The vast, vast majority of current Game Pass subscribers access the service through an Xbox One. The PC subscriber count will grow this generation for sure, but I'd imagine it will take quite some time before it becomes a substantial percentage of the audience. Game Pass WILL be tied to Xbox consoles for the foreseeable future.
Which means Microsoft either need to sell Xbox consoles to a completely new audience who haven't bought a console before, or convert PlayStation/Nintendo fans. And the latter is going to be a really hard task tbh. We're coming off a generation where Sony's first party games have dominated the conversation, and the Switch has been absolutely on fire as well. Game Pass is a fantastic deal, but I'm not sure it's enough to get many people to shift ecosystems entirely?
I have been buying games at full price for years. I'm used to it, and generally feel that I get my moneys worth. Game Pass existing hasn't made me re-evaluate that. At this point in time, it seems like a service that would save me money, but also be filled largely with games I don't have much interest in.
Because until that point, Microsoft still need to be trying to sell Xbox consoles. The vast, vast majority of current Game Pass subscribers access the service through an Xbox One. The PC subscriber count will grow this generation for sure, but I'd imagine it will take quite some time before it becomes a substantial percentage of the audience. Game Pass WILL be tied to Xbox consoles for the foreseeable future.
Which means Microsoft either need to sell Xbox consoles to a completely new audience who haven't bought a console before, or convert PlayStation/Nintendo fans. And the latter is going to be a really hard task tbh. We're coming off a generation where Sony's first party games have dominated the conversation, and the Switch has been absolutely on fire as well. Game Pass is a fantastic deal, but I'm not sure it's enough to get many people to shift ecosystems entirely?
I have been buying games at full price for years. I'm used to it, and generally feel that I get my moneys worth. Game Pass existing hasn't made me re-evaluate that. At this point in time, it seems like a service that would save me money, but also be filled largely with games I don't have much interest in.
If these games are sufficiently unique or sufficiently good then, yes, the diversity of their first party lineup is something to be cherished. They've got to raise the quality of their games. I look at what you've listed and I'm interested in at least half of the upcoming games, but I don't feel that much confidence in Microsoft in delivering on the potential. That's not me being a pessimist, that's me being a realistic because I've had an Xbox One for five years and I've been disappointed over, and over, and over again.
In the run up to Sea of Thieves launch it was extremely clear to me as someone that was part of their testing programmes that it wasn't ready and I find it very hard to believe Rare were unaware of that. The game did well enough out of the gate and through a lot of updating Rare have managed to solve the game's initial retention problems - Sea of Thieves is a successful game - but it could be so much more. The botched, rushed launch hurt the game, impeded Rare in improving it, and ultimately still hurts it - Rare seem unwilling or unable to overhaul or improve the weakest areas of the game.
Now in 2020 we're staring down the barrel of Microsoft doing the same thing to their flagship franchise. Obviously I don't have the inside perspective I did with Sea of Thieves which meant I knew what was going to happen (though I was treated like Cassandra on this forum), but the warning signs with Infinite are everywhere. You'd have to be delusional to feel confident in it after what they just showed, and while I'm not saying the game will be bad, it's very hard to imagine it as a return to the greatness of the first three games.
I look at them making another Age of Empires game and I so want to believe. I so want to believe that they'll get it right because Age of Empires isn't just one of my favourite franchises, the original is the first 'proper' game I got into as a child. But I can't help but remember how badly the 'let's give this old IP to a new developer' has gone in pretty much every case. Halo and Gears are shadows of their former selves. Halo Wars 2 was an unambitious, broken vehicle for a Clash Royale knock off. Battletoads has gone AWOL because of the response to what they showed. Relic are not a strategy game developer I have that much familiarity with but what they're famous for is nothing like what I want from a new Age of Empires.
So that's where I am right now. On paper Microsoft have this nailed. Conceptually I love what they're doing but I have no confidence in them because (almost) every time I get excited for what they're doing they let me down. Let's face it, of the upcoming stuff you've listed, we know so little about most of it. Sony have built up a stable of studios who can be relied on to deliver high quality games. Microsoft need to do the same, but the biggest step they can take in that direction is giving their developers time. They should start with Halo.
In the run up to Sea of Thieves launch it was extremely clear to me as someone that was part of their testing programmes that it wasn't ready and I find it very hard to believe Rare were unaware of that. The game did well enough out of the gate and through a lot of updating Rare have managed to solve the game's initial retention problems - Sea of Thieves is a successful game - but it could be so much more. The botched, rushed launch hurt the game, impeded Rare in improving it, and ultimately still hurts it - Rare seem unwilling or unable to overhaul or improve the weakest areas of the game.
Now in 2020 we're staring down the barrel of Microsoft doing the same thing to their flagship franchise. Obviously I don't have the inside perspective I did with Sea of Thieves which meant I knew what was going to happen (though I was treated like Cassandra on this forum), but the warning signs with Infinite are everywhere. You'd have to be delusional to feel confident in it after what they just showed, and while I'm not saying the game will be bad, it's very hard to imagine it as a return to the greatness of the first three games.
I look at them making another Age of Empires game and I so want to believe. I so want to believe that they'll get it right because Age of Empires isn't just one of my favourite franchises, the original is the first 'proper' game I got into as a child. But I can't help but remember how badly the 'let's give this old IP to a new developer' has gone in pretty much every case. Halo and Gears are shadows of their former selves. Halo Wars 2 was an unambitious, broken vehicle for a Clash Royale knock off. Battletoads has gone AWOL because of the response to what they showed. Relic are not a strategy game developer I have that much familiarity with but what they're famous for is nothing like what I want from a new Age of Empires.
So that's where I am right now. On paper Microsoft have this nailed. Conceptually I love what they're doing but I have no confidence in them because (almost) every time I get excited for what they're doing they let me down. Let's face it, of the upcoming stuff you've listed, we know so little about most of it. Sony have built up a stable of studios who can be relied on to deliver high quality games. Microsoft need to do the same, but the biggest step they can take in that direction is giving their developers time. They should start with Halo.
Microsoft is giving us the most value for your money as a gamer but I must quote some guy on twitter. "That's cool man. Can it run Bloodborne?"
I agree that they're firing on all cylinders. I would also say that the other companies have more cylinders.
I agree that they're firing on all cylinders. I would also say that the other companies have more cylinders.
Halo/Forza/Gears have comprehensive SP modes, having a MP component doesn't negate the quality SP experience equivalent to the top games in the genre, which your purposefully glossing over as it undoes your argument . And Fable isn't a service based game from what we know. SoT is classified as a service game, the others you can experience the full game without any MP. MS are creating thier games to cater to both
My reason for not subscribing outside of very cheap deals on it is that I already have a huge backlog on Steam, EGS, Switch, and PS4 to play through, so if I subbed, I wouldn't really be getting anything out of it outside of dumping even more onto my backlog. The games I'm usually super excited to play on day one just aren't on Game Pass, and I'm OK with paying full price for those.
The service is undeniably great for other people, though.
The service is undeniably great for other people, though.
