Microsoft has to fix their certification process for games on PC Gamepass (3 games this month released missing features/broken)

OnionPowder · Oct 6, 2021

Smash-It Stan said:
Did you steal my screenshot from 2016 when I had the same issues with Forza horizon 3, gears 4 and quantum break? Sad this storefront is still a thing.

It's actually embarrassing how shit their gaming apps all have been, for well over a DECADE at this point.

I remember all the people telling me that there's no way they'd launch a supbar app again, this time it was going to be right. Sure. Not a damn thing learned since GFWL outside of releasing it on Steam for a properly functioning version of the game.

It's all been downhill since the launch of Vista!

flyinj · Oct 9, 2021

Weekly update:

Myst finally received its patch on Gamepass, six weeks after submitting it to MS Cert. It doesn't however bring it up to the same patch level as other storefronts, as it is still missing the photo feature the other versions have.

And on a positive note, Sable is getting patches on Gamepass on the exact same day they are appearing on other storefronts.

Which kind of adds to the mystery of why some developers submit patches to MS cert which get stuck there for weeks while others are pushed day and seemingly hour of submission.

Temperance · Oct 9, 2021

SixelAlexiS said:
I got a 1.0.19.0 patch for Psychonauts 2 too, anyone know what it does?

This is the one game i'm waiting on before jumping back on to GP, i'd had hope to hear the stutter fix had finally been deployed. It's so damn hard to find the current status on these releases. Shame.

vixolus · Oct 9, 2021

flyinj said:
Weekly update:

Myst finally received its patch on Gamepass, six weeks after submitting it to MS Cert. It doesn't however bring it up to the same patch level as other storefronts, as it is still missing the photo feature the other versions have.

And on a positive note, Sable is getting patches on Gamepass on the exact same day they are appearing on other storefronts.

Which kind of adds to the mystery of why some developers submit patches to MS cert which get stuck there for weeks while others are pushed day and seemingly hour of submission.

QA must've been stuck on some puzzles

Snefer · Oct 9, 2021

flyinj said:
Weekly update:

Myst finally received its patch on Gamepass, six weeks after submitting it to MS Cert. It doesn't however bring it up to the same patch level as other storefronts, as it is still missing the photo feature the other versions have.

And on a positive note, Sable is getting patches on Gamepass on the exact same day they are appearing on other storefronts.

Which kind of adds to the mystery of why some developers submit patches to MS cert which get stuck there for weeks while others are pushed day and seemingly hour of submission.

Because they hold back the patches on other platforms instead. It's not hard to launch patches at the same time on all platforms, you just need to wait for the slowest ones. It's more of a PR/community management thing than anything else. Do you want patches for as many playes as quickly as possible, or all at the same time, but slower?

flyinj · Oct 9, 2021

Snefer said:
Because they hold back the patches on other platforms instead. It's not hard to launch patches at the same time on all platforms, you just need to wait for the slowest ones. It's more of a PR/community management thing than anything else. Do you want patches for as many playes as quickly as possible, or all at the same time, but slower?

That was brought up before, but it just doesn't make any sense with many of these patch releases.

Why is it that Sable gets updated immediately on all platforms including Gamepass (first patch was three days after release, second was a week and half), but with Myst the developer said they submitted the first patch to MS certifcation six weeks ago and in the following weeks released five patches on all other storefronts. Finally the first patch came out six weeks later for the Gamepass version, while the other storefronts have four newer patches?

Another example is Psychonauts. The developer released the first patch for all storefronts two days after release, and said they submitted the same patch to MS certification on the same day for the Gamepass version. A week later they released another patch on all other storefronts, then four weeks later the first patch finally came out for the Gamepass version.

Something is really weird about about how MS is handling some of these patches.

Snefer · Oct 9, 2021

flyinj said:
That was brought up before, but it just doesn't make any sense with many of these patch releases.

Why is it that Sable gets updated immediately on all platforms including Gamepass (first patch was three days after release, second was a week and half), but with Myst the developer said they submitted the first patch to MS certifcation six weeks ago and in the following weeks released five patches on all other storefronts. Finally the first patch came out six weeks later for the Gamepass version, while the other storefronts have four newer patches?

Another example is Psychonauts. The developer released the first patch for all storefronts two days after release, and said they submitted the same patch to MS certification on the same day for the Gamepass version. A week later they released another patch on all other storefronts, then four weeks later the first patch finally came out for the Gamepass version.

Something is really weird about about how MS is handling some of these patches.

Because Sable could for example have submitted their patch ahead of release, but in reality the patch could have been day1 on steam, for example. A patch can fail and be held up too, which is another calculated risk.

flyinj · Oct 9, 2021

Snefer said:
Because Sable could for example have submitted their patch ahead of release, but in reality the patch could have been day1 on steam, for example. A patch can fail and be held up too, which is another calculated risk.

Ah! So Microsoft does fail patches in certification then? That's a big piece to the puzzle. Many people were saying that MS doesn't QA PC patches in certification like they do with console patches, whereas I was saying it really seems like they do.

So Microsoft certification handles PC patches the same way they handle console patches?

(Also the developer for Sable said they submitted the patch to MS cert the same day it was released in both instances, so the patch definitely wasn't submitted before release)

wellpapp · Nov 2, 2021

Bumped to say that Psychonauts 2 recieved a patch on GP - I'd guess it's the same that released on Steam (Update 1088619) today? So maybe the cert process is faster now? Hopefully fixes some issues still on the MS Store version.

SixelAlexiS · Nov 2, 2021

wellpapp said:
Bumped to say that Psychonauts 2 recieved a patch on GP - I'd guess it's the same that released on Steam (Update 1088619) today? So maybe the cert process is faster now? Hopefully fixes some issues still on the MS Store version.

They have quite surely delayed the Steam patch release instead.

pswii60 · Nov 2, 2021

wellpapp said:
Bumped to say that Psychonauts 2 recieved a patch on GP - I'd guess it's the same that released on Steam (Update 1088619) today? So maybe the cert process is faster now? Hopefully fixes some issues still on the MS Store version.

Still no fix for the shader compilation stutter! They promised this would be fixed quickly back in the launch week. I guess they're just hoping everyone will forget.

Kudo · Nov 2, 2021

Has there been improvements to the Game Pass app itself on PC? Is there still risk of losing space or does it uninstall games properly now?

SixelAlexiS · Nov 2, 2021

pswii60 said:
Still no fix for the shader compilation stutter! They promised this would be fixed quickly back in the launch week. I guess they're just hoping everyone will forget.

I confirm that you get stutters for shader compilation even with the new latest patch (15GB!), at least on Game Pass.
People tend to think that it's "fixed" due to the fact that once compiled they will stay like that until the next video driver change, and I just changed those some days again and now I get stutter at anything I "break" in-game or interact to.

Double Fine claimed to have fixed the issue but was a bunch of lies... even DF Aaron said it was fixed back in september but this was never the case ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

pswii60 · Nov 3, 2021

SixelAlexiS said:
I confirm that you get stutters for shader compilation even with the new latest patch (15GB!), at least on Game Pass.
People tend to think that it's "fixed" due to the fact that once compiled they will stay like that until the next video driver change, and I just changed those some days again and now I get stutter at anything I "break" in-game or interact to.

Double Fine claimed to have fixed the issue but was a bunch of lies... even DF Aaron said it was fixed back in september but this was never the case ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yeah there's a huge thread in the game's Steam forum about it too, definitely not fixed. Shocking really.

Dmax3901 · Nov 3, 2021

That Flynn game still doesn't have achievements activated on PC gamepass, despite the developers saying they sent the patch to Microsoft shortly after launch.

SixelAlexiS · Nov 3, 2021

pswii60 said:
Yeah there's a huge thread in the game's Steam forum about it too, definitely not fixed. Shocking really.

Btw Sea Of Thieves have the same crap, the game is a stutter fest even without a cache but as soon as you change video drivers is absurd how many you get for the same reasons. Modern PC gaming is like a freaking emulator, just insane...

p.s. well, both are Unreal Engine... actually same stuff is on Black 4 Blood too, that do just a partial pre-cache (like for act 1).
I guess UE really have to do something to makes this whole thing more easier for developers since every stuttering game I think of is UE at this point.

flyinj · Dec 2, 2021

Welcome back to the "On release day Gamepass gets a beta version while every other storefront gets the release version" show!

This time on the show we have -

Archvale!

That's right, the hot new Humble Games twin stick RPG just released on every major PC storefront as version 1.0 gets an inferior and unpolished beta on the Gamepass service!

Why does this happen? Well folks, no one really has a fucking clue!

How long will it be until the Gamepass version gets fixed? And how many patches will every other storefront get before the Gamepass version is fixed?

Tune in next time!

Archvale GamePass on PC -- NOW UP TO DATE! :: Archvale General Discussions

Hello everyone! The build going live on Xbox GamePass for PC is lacking a layer of polish and shine which will make the gamplay experience a lot more enjoyable. The patch is going live within the next few days. All other platforms beyond the windows store (GamePass PC) are unaffected! Thank you...

steamcommunity.com

SixelAlexiS · Dec 3, 2021

flyinj said:
Welcome back to the "On release day Gamepass gets a beta version while every other storefront gets the release version" show!

This time on the show we have -

Archvale!

That's right, the hot new Humble Games twin stick RPG just released on every major PC storefront as version 1.0 gets an inferior and unpolished beta on the Gamepass service!

Why does this happen? Well folks, no one really has a fucking clue!

How long will it be until the Gamepass version gets fixed? And how many patches will every other storefront get before the Gamepass version is fixed?

Tune in next time!

Archvale GamePass on PC -- NOW UP TO DATE! :: Archvale General Discussions

Hello everyone! The build going live on Xbox GamePass for PC is lacking a layer of polish and shine which will make the gamplay experience a lot more enjoyable. The patch is going live within the next few days. All other platforms beyond the windows store (GamePass PC) are unaffected! Thank you...

steamcommunity.com

And the fact the developers communicate this type of stuff on Steam forum is always hilarious.

tokkun · Dec 3, 2021

flyinj said:
Why does this happen? Well folks, no one really has a fucking clue!

The reasons seem pretty clear.

1. Microsoft requires certification for patches on PC and other storefronts don't. This adds a delay into the process of releasing patches on the Windows Store.
2. Many developers don't want to artificially delay the patch on other storefronts just so it lands at the same time as the Windows Store patch.

I am not particularly surprised by #2. Steam is by far the biggest storefront on PC. Artificially delaying patches there will damage reviews and word-of-mouth about the game, and hurt sales. Windows Store is not a big enough player on PC for Microsoft to strongarm devs into doing it.

The only thing that really surprises me about the situation is that it also happens with Microsoft Studios games. I'd expect if it causes enough bad PR for the WIndows Store that eventually a mandate will come down from their corporate overlords to force them to delay Steam patches so they release at the same time.

flyinj · Dec 3, 2021

tokkun said:
The reasons seem pretty clear.

1. Microsoft requires certification for patches on PC and other storefronts don't. This adds a delay into the process of releasing patches on the Windows Store.
2. Many developers don't want to artificially delay the patch on other storefronts just so it lands at the same time as the Windows Store patch.

I am not particularly surprised by #2. Steam is by far the biggest storefront on PC. Artificially delaying patches there will damage reviews and word-of-mouth about the game, and hurt sales. Windows Store is not a big enough player on PC for Microsoft to strongarm devs into doing it.

The only thing that really surprises me about the situation is that it also happens with Microsoft Studios games. I'd expect if it causes enough bad PR for the WIndows Store that eventually a mandate will come down from their corporate overlords to force them to delay Steam patches so they release at the same time.

Yeah, that was meant as a rhetorical "who the fuck knows".

We know exactly why it happens, it's in the title of the thread

Smash Kirby · Dec 3, 2021

Dishonored 1 PC was finally updated and now has Achievement support, now I have to replay the parts of the game to get the achievements I missed.

flyinj · Dec 3, 2021

As an update-

Archvale got the patch today.

Happy with the fast turnaround, but still- inferior/older builds of games should never be released on Gamepass when every other storefront gets the latest version on the same day.

Dmax3901 · Dec 3, 2021

flyinj said:
As an update-

Archvale got the patch today.

Happy with the fast turnaround, but still- inferior/older builds of games should never be released on Gamepass when every other storefront gets the latest version on the same day.

It still doesn't have working achievements though, like Flynn.

Insomniac · Dec 13, 2021

Very light Exo One spoilers ahead:

So I played Exo One recently and it was a fantastic time, with the exception of one level in particular: On Coronides, you need to escape the gravitational pull of smaller asteroids by building up speed and launching off them. I found it exceedingly frustrating. It took far and away more time to get through than any other level. After wrapping up the game, I went to the Exo One Steam page and noticed there had been a patch on November 22nd. At the bottom of the patch notes:

Coronides, adjusted vents on main rock, added vents on final small rock, made level slightly easier as many players finding incredibly difficult

There are no vents in the Game Pass version, at least not on PC. This patch went live on Steam on November 22nd. There was a second patch the next day, November 23rd. Three weeks later and the Game Pass version has not received a single update. When asked about it on the Steam forums, the developer responded that "we've been delayed". Based on everything we've seen from other games, I'll take this to mean that Microsoft's certification process has slowed things down considerably.

Fawz · Dec 13, 2021

Releasing games, and patches/dlc, requires nearly the same amount of lead time as Xbox consoles and that will always be slower than other storefronts (Except for maybe GOG) so it's expected that you'll see fewer/slower patch releases there and as a result a more buggy product. Add in the complexity of GDK, the Xbox App/WinStore and it makes for a nasty combination. For all the ways MSFT expresses they're serious about PC Gaming, they're sorely behind other store fronts in this regard (Though I don't think it's that major of an issue when they have exclusives and GamePass/Cross-Buy value offerings)

Judge · Dec 13, 2021

One of the dumber things is releasing a title with achievements for content that isn't in your game. Spellforce 3 has an achievement related to the Halloween content on steam that doesn't exist in the windows store version lol. They can't even be bothered to remove achievements for their cut back versions

Dmax3901 said:
It still doesn't have working achievements though, like Flynn.

None of the Humble games have achievements on PC, despite sharing marketplace pages with their console versions

Insomniac · Dec 13, 2021

Judge said:
None of the Humble games have achievements on PC, despite sharing marketplace pages with their console versions

Some do (Unpacking, Carto, Dodgeball Academia at least to name a few). The Archvale dev said on Steam that it's some sort of issue between GameMaker titles and the Microsoft store. But then VA-11 Hall-A is apparently GameMaker and it has achievements on the store so who knows.

Yibby · Dec 13, 2021

Maybe this gets better with Win11 and the new store. I think they want to go more into the "normal" way of game installs like steam does and remove UWP. Hopefully we get the same games as on Steam then?

SoneaB · Dec 13, 2021

Even Halo seem to run better on Stean than Gamepass and i have no idea why. They need to fix this, every other game i try on PC Gamepass has issues.

Brot · Dec 13, 2021

Yibby said:
Maybe this gets better with Win11 and the new store. I think they want to go more into the "normal" way of game installs like steam does and remove UWP. Hopefully we get the same games as on Steam then?

The new store is already on Windows 10.

Yibby · Dec 14, 2021

Brot said:
The new store is already on Windows 10.

The removal of UWP also?

flyinj · Dec 14, 2021

Yibby said:
The removal of UWP also?

The issue isn't UWP. The issue is that every game is required to use an AppX wrapper and the AppX backend which is very broken.

The "new" store doesn't get rid of this, and they have not announced any intention to get rid of it.

Cels · Dec 14, 2021

flyinj said:
The "new" store doesn't get rid of this, and they have not announced any intention to get rid of it.

yeah until they change this and other problems, win10 versions are often going to be inferior to the respective steam versions. even if they might have other perks like playanywhere or the xbox achievement system.

years later it all seems cobbled together with no attempt at trying to beat or even match steam at providing the best user experience. it works most of the time, but that isn't good enough. 95% of my PC games library is on steam, but over the last year probably 90% of the issues i've run into while PC gaming are due to microsoft's bullshittery, not steam.

no uniform cloud saves - and sometimes, uninstalling the game will delete your saves altogether, with no option to save them if you want to play the game in the future. even microsoft's own games, like minecraft dungeons, do this. why no cloud saves or user autonomy over saves? who knows?
often different save game formats between win10 and steam - makes transferring progress a pain, if not impossible
no parity with patches on other PC storefronts due to certification delays
no uniform achievement requirement - compare to xbox, where every game has to have achievements.
often no options for exclusive fullscreen - borderless windowed is good enough in most cases, but sometimes it isn't.
i could go on with these complaints.

then there's just the everyday experience of downloading and launching a game, which you'd think is simple, but sometimes they can't even get that right. their flagship title, halo infinite, didn't even launch on PC for me when i tried to play the campaign. instead it opened the store in the "gaming services" store page -- something that a fair amount of other people experienced. fortunately the fix is simple, but users shouldn't have to deal with this crap just because they're trying to launch a game.

flyinj · Dec 28, 2021

Today on Gamepass gets a broken version of a game that works fine on all other storefronts we have-

Record of Lodoss War!

In the Gamepass version, whenever a tutorial popup appears on screen the frame rate drops to about 5 fps. This drop also happens randomly in other parts of the game. We're talking trying to fight enemies on a screen that will not go above 1-5 fps.

This bug does not exist on other storefronts

No response from the developer in spite of several topics on the game's Steam forum since its release two weeks ago.

SixelAlexiS · Dec 28, 2021

flyinj said:
Today on Gamepass gets a broken version of a game that works fine on all other storefronts we have-

Record of Lodoss War!

In the Gamepass version, whenever a tutorial popup appears on screen the frame rate drops to about 5 fps. This drop also happens randomly in other parts of the game. This bug does not exist on other storefronts

No response from the developer in spite of several topics on the game's Steam forum since its release two weeks ago.

yep, can confirm this, downloaded the game 2 weeks ago and it's a mess, even the button config doesn't work at all.
The developers keeps getting those juicy deals from MS and not bothering with fixes, GG.

LycanXIII · Dec 28, 2021

Judge said:
One of the dumber things is releasing a title with achievements for content that isn't in your game. Spellforce 3 has an achievement related to the Halloween content on steam that doesn't exist in the windows store version lol. They can't even be bothered to remove achievements for their cut back versions

None of the Humble games have achievements on PC, despite sharing marketplace pages with their console versions

I mean, even Halo Infinite has achievements for game modes not even in the game yet. But that's a different situation from the game not including an update that every other version has.

Hella · Dec 29, 2021

flyinj said:
Today on Gamepass gets a broken version of a game that works fine on all other storefronts we have-

Record of Lodoss War!

In the Gamepass version, whenever a tutorial popup appears on screen the frame rate drops to about 5 fps. This drop also happens randomly in other parts of the game. We're talking trying to fight enemies on a screen that will not go above 1-5 fps.

This bug does not exist on other storefronts

No response from the developer in spite of several topics on the game's Steam forum since its release two weeks ago.

Oh geez I thought that was a stylistic choice, that makes so much more sense. Dang.

No wonder it felt so strange.

SixelAlexiS · Mar 10, 2022

flyinj said:
Today on Gamepass gets a broken version of a game that works fine on all other storefronts we have-

!

In the Gamepass version, whenever a tutorial popup appears on screen the frame rate drops to about 5 fps. This drop also happens randomly in other parts of the game. We're talking trying to fight enemies on a screen that will not go above 1-5 fps.

This bug does not exist on other storefronts

No response from the developer in spite of several topics on the game's Steam forum since its release two weeks ago.

Just want to say that they FINALLY released a patch for the PC version of Record of Lodoss War (along an Xbox version patch that fix some achievement issues) and now the low fps issues during tutorial are fixed!

Sadly still no button prompt for gamepad... so I solved it by putting keyboard letters to match my Xbox pad buttons like this:

it's "hacky" but better then nothing, at least now I know what to press during tutorials :'D

Neki · Mar 10, 2022

They finally fixed Lodoss? I've been wanting to play it for months but the wonky framerate on Gamepass was terrible. I'll check it because it was definitely still broken yesterday.

SixelAlexiS · Mar 10, 2022

Neki said:
They finally fixed Lodoss? I've been wanting to play it for months but the wonky framerate on Gamepass was terrible. I'll check it because it was definitely still broken yesterday.

Did you downloaded the "1.0.3.2" patch? I got it today, once in-game it will show 1.0.3.0 but yeah, it's fixed for me, at least the framerate issues.

I'll deal with no button prompt with the thing I did in the other post.

MCD · Mar 10, 2022

SixelAlexiS said:
Just want to say that they FINALLY released a patch for the PC version of Record of Lodoss War (along an Xbox version patch that fix some achievement issues) and now the low fps issues during tutorial are fixed!

Sadly still no button prompt for gamepad... so I solved it by putting keyboard letters to match my Xbox pad buttons like this:

it's "hacky" but better then nothing, at least now I know what to press during tutorials :'D

SixelAlexiS said:
Did you downloaded the "1.0.3.2" patch? I got it today, once in-game it will show 1.0.3.0 but yeah, it's fixed for me, at least the framerate issues.

I'll deal with no button prompt with the thing I did in the other post.

Good news. Sorry it took so long but happy to see the situation on PC is getting a bit better.

flyinj · Apr 23, 2022

Just started playing Life is Strange True Colors on Gamepass

After a few hours of debugging and googling, it turns out the Gamepass version has no way to enable HDR. Other storefronts had this patched in months ago.

Also, there is no way to adjust the resolution of the game above 1080p if you have desktop scaling enabled. It is unclear if this bug exists in the versions on other storefronts.

Dinjoralo · May 1, 2022

Apparently the PC Gamepass version of Bugsnax is also shit, very specifically because of the need for cross-compatibility.

Are you playing the Microsoft Store PC version? That had to use a different graphics pipeline to conform with cross platform compatibility with Xbox, so it is a bit behind on some of the potential optimizations compared to the Steam version.
[...]
For that port we had to use BGFX graphics library to translate our game into DX12 calls, but we did not really have enough time yet to really investigate areas of inefficiency there. I would imagine that the CPU usage for submitting draw calls is perhaps not as efficient as the optimizations we've made on our own end for DX9/DX11.

I'm asuming the Steam version can use more than one CPU thread and doesn't have the framerate tank when there's more than a few NPCs on screen.

flyinj · May 1, 2022

Dinjoralo said:
Apparently the PC Gamepass version of Bugsnax is also shit, very specifically because of the need for cross-compatibility.

I'm asuming the Steam version can use more than one CPU thread and doesn't have the framerate tank when there's more than a few NPCs on screen.

I'm not really sure why a different graphics pipeline had to be used for "cross platform compatibility with Xbox".

There is no multiplayer, so it seems the only "cross platform" communication is through cloud saves. Which has nothing to do with the graphics pipeline.

vixolus · May 1, 2022

flyinj said:
I'm not really sure why a different graphics pipeline had to be used for "cross platform compatibility with Xbox".

There is no multiplayer, so it seems the only "cross platform" communication is through cloud saves. Which has nothing to do with the graphics pipeline.

Probably because of the GDK and requirements for publishing on game pass/Xbox store on pc and console.

Dinjoralo · May 1, 2022

flyinj said:
I'm not really sure why a different graphics pipeline had to be used for "cross platform compatibility with Xbox".

There is no multiplayer, so it seems the only "cross platform" communication is through cloud saves. Which has nothing to do with the graphics pipeline.

It doesn't really make sense to me either, since the PC gamepass version is in DX11, not 12. But buying the Steam version to check, it absolutely does not have the same performance issues. Even in the intro, the Steam version doesn't skip a beat at points where the Gamepass version will start slowing down.

Edward850 · May 1, 2022

vixolus said:
Probably because of the GDK and requirements for publishing on game pass/Xbox store on pc and console.

That can't be right. There's no requirement for using DX12 on PC for the GDK. We're running Quake with Vulkan fine on PC.

flyinj · May 1, 2022

My guess is that MS arbitrarily requires a bunch of "compliance" stuff for certification on the Windows store so the developer needed to create a separate branch when porting.

They most likely worked mainly on the non-Windows store branch. They have to propagate changes and take time to implement them correctly on the Windows store branch, so that branch is always behind compared to the branch used for every other storefront.

I imagine this is why so many games release on Gamepass that are several versions behind the the version released at the same time on every other storefront.

vixolus · May 1, 2022

Edward850 said:
That can't be right. There's no requirement for using DX12 on PC for the GDK. We're running Quake with Vulkan fine on PC.

Ah gotcha. Thanks for the correction!

Dinjoralo · May 1, 2022

Edward850 said:
That can't be right. There's no requirement for using DX12 on PC for the GDK. We're running Quake with Vulkan fine on PC.

I don't get it either. Though TBH, it would not surprise me if Microsoft's requirements weren't well defined.
Also, quick curious question, is Quake on Vulkan on Xbox, too?

Microsoft has to fix their certification process for games on PC Gamepass (3 games this month released missing features/broken)

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