Yep.
And Apples blocking of the Unreal SDK is how megacorporations continue shitty practices and never see repercussions.
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Microsoft filed a statement in support of Epic's request to keep access to the Apple SDK for its Unreal Engine
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And Apples blocking of the Unreal SDK is how megacorporations continue shitty practices and never see repercussions.
Yup, seems like a chess move for xcloud. If he really wanted to support, should have supported the actual petition for a separate marketplace that Epic is filing for. And to top it off, should have announced that MS now allows separate market place in Xbox Series X. Now that would have been a statement in support.
Meh you have made up your mind against Apple so no matter what Epic does, it's completely fair and makes sense. When it clearly isn't.
yeah, i wonder what the tone of this discourse would be like if EGS never existed
You can file the lawsuit without all the manufactured drama and propaganda that Epic chose to do
Epic doesn't care about them? So all of the grants that they give, the support they provide and the help that they put in promoting products from the Devs that use their engine... How do you call that? Not to mention things like the myriad of learning resources available through their official sources or other tools like network support made available for free.
And what do you mean by Apple wanting the original version of Fortnite? Do you mean the one available on PC, where revenue doesn't go to Microsoft every time a payment is made? That seems to be the very thing Epic is defending!
But he isn't supporting Epics lawsuit. Did you two not read what Spencer even said? He said Nothing about the lawsuit or an EGS. He supports their petition to have apple unblock the Unreal Engine. That's it.
You can really tell those who have no idea about the actual ToS Epic willfully broke.
The ToS that apply to EVERY app store developer. The ToS that specifically state breach of contract removes your apps AND dev tools from the service.
Epic knew all this before their PR stunt. They don't care about their Unreal partners then and they don't care about them now. Otherwise they'd roll back Fortnite code, reinstate Unreal dev tools on the platform, and settle the rest in court.
Apple isn't being retaliatory. They HAVE to eject Epic/Unreal dev tools. Anything less sets a precedent of abuse by other devs.
The ToS that apply to EVERY app store developer. The ToS that specifically state breach of contract removes your apps AND dev tools from the service.
Epic knew all this before their PR stunt. They don't care about their Unreal partners then and they don't care about them now. Otherwise they'd roll back Fortnite code, reinstate Unreal dev tools on the platform, and settle the rest in court.
Apple isn't being retaliatory. They HAVE to eject Epic/Unreal dev tools. Anything less sets a precedent of abuse by other devs.
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You are challenging them at court by filling lawsuit not breaking contractual agreement and then crying to court to help. Many lawyers already said that EPic can't win TRO part.
Probably a bit different because then Epic wouldn't come across as hypocritical at least from a moral point of view
Hear, hear!
Fuck that noise. People can talk down Sweeney & Epic's stunts all they like, but rallying behind Apple attempting to back Epic into a corner with this scorched-earth collateral damage screwing of Unreal and everyone who relys on it on iOS is mind blowingly screwed on every level.
It's amazing how people care so much about the rights of a $2 trillion dollar company.
That's 2 thousand billion.
Like anywhere else there's even a tiny bit of nuance.
Apple (and Google) are in a position where they get 30% out of transactions for most of the world's daily transactions.
Be that your home delivery takeways, your taxis, etc etc.
The also run competing services like Apple / Youtube Music. Where they want to get their 30% from their competitors and then make their own app where they don't need to suffer the 30% cut.
How can an independent Audiobook company compete?
These two company's and their smart phones are a significant part of people's everyday lives.
Combined they control it.
The cost of a credit card transaction is around 3%.
The infrastructure is not as high.
They need to be regulated. Because it's just free money for both of them.
They still make a shit ton of money in their other services as well as hardware in the case of Apple or Advertising in the case of Google.
They've made their money. Now they need to make it fair.
So this is a great first step for changing that status quo.
But gamers are like "oh, they should have followed Apple's rules" because they don't like Epic Games.
The EU has also opened an investigation
That's 2 thousand billion.
Like anywhere else there's even a tiny bit of nuance.
Apple (and Google) are in a position where they get 30% out of transactions for most of the world's daily transactions.
Be that your home delivery takeways, your taxis, etc etc.
The also run competing services like Apple / Youtube Music. Where they want to get their 30% from their competitors and then make their own app where they don't need to suffer the 30% cut.
How can an independent Audiobook company compete?
These two company's and their smart phones are a significant part of people's everyday lives.
Combined they control it.
The cost of a credit card transaction is around 3%.
The infrastructure is not as high.
They need to be regulated. Because it's just free money for both of them.
They still make a shit ton of money in their other services as well as hardware in the case of Apple or Advertising in the case of Google.
They've made their money. Now they need to make it fair.
So this is a great first step for changing that status quo.
But gamers are like "oh, they should have followed Apple's rules" because they don't like Epic Games.
The EU has also opened an investigation
it's almost like seeing a company's behavior in similar contexts has an effect on what people think of that company
So a lawsuit requires ostentatious PR theatrics? Looks like the majority of cases are doing the wrong thing then.
Wait, so will MS allow Epic Game store on xbox and have Epic sell directly to xbox owners with MS getting 0% of the cut from games and ingame transactions in fortnite?
if yes, this is huge and you gotta wonder just how MS is going to fund consoles if they arent getting any slice of the pie.
if yes, this is huge and you gotta wonder just how MS is going to fund consoles if they arent getting any slice of the pie.
You can complain about the thing that affects you without advocating for the thing that caused it.
People would had supported epic on this, if they had actually done it the right way, now they only make themself looks like the victim with the whole FreeFortnite event...
The way some of y'all are forgetting Epic caused this and could reverse it immediately... they did something that wouldn't fly on any App Store. Google, PSN, etc. Their lawsuits ask for rent free space in a store. They want to setup a kiosk in Walmart for free to compete for Walmart customers for profit.
Breaking alleged monopolistic practices doesn't mean pretending no rules apply to yourself. Unless you beleive that we should also throw out the entirity of contract law as well.
Even after the shit Apple tried to pull on WordPress Apple and Capitalist Stans still bending over backwards to defend them.
Apple isn't holding anyone hostage... they would allow Fortnite and all Epic owned assets immediately if it plays by the rules. But Epic wants special treatment and free space in someone's store.
Any dev suffering from this is on Epic considering how well their moves have been pre calculated with full blown media campaign and court papers at ready, they saw this coming and didn't mind, and they'll weaponize the "poor" studios just like they did with their fanbase.
Epic and Sweeney are turning out to be the scummiest self serving tech company.
Epic and Sweeney are turning out to be the scummiest self serving tech company.
There's a way Apple could handle this that isn't just completely fucking over smaller studios and pretty much no one else, especially as the saller studios can't do a thing, beside the monumental task of just port all you work over to a new engine basically, which could be disastrous for the studios. I couldn't give a shit about how they treat Fortnite or any other games EPIC themselves make, but going full Scorched Earth on Unreal is just shitty and also dumb.
The issue is that Epic is purposely leveraging the fact that they are a massive middleware provider to press the issue.
Apple has already said that Epic's dev tools will be restored as long as they comply with the ToS. Epic could easily roll back Fortnite to remove the direct payment option or take down Fortnite whilst the court case goes on. They don't want to.
The TRO they filed makes it clear that they want the court to allow them to use the direct payment option during proceedings.
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Keep bending over backwards to support Daddy Apple.
So how would you feel if you broke the law and it was your children paying the broken dishes? Punishment should be on you, such as taking down Fortnite. Not on the Devs, who are a collateral damage.
Its Epic's hostage, unless you think someone is allowed to continue to break the rules while in court to determine the legality of rules.
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Apple doesn't have signed deals with Unreal Developers, Epic does. Apple has signed deal with Epic and they are punishing Epic.
Because a lot of people see walled garden as a feature on iOS/Mac/Ipad.
Interesting move by Microsoft. They certainly want to knock Apple down a peg and of course they want Xcloud on iOS. I don't think this moves the needle at all in Epic's favor but I can see their statement being used against them should Microsoft want the Series X to be walled off like things have been on consoles.
Edit: Actually forgot their statement is specifically just for access to the SDKs. I will be curious if Microsoft will put more public support into Epic's other lawsuit against Apple.
Edit: Actually forgot their statement is specifically just for access to the SDKs. I will be curious if Microsoft will put more public support into Epic's other lawsuit against Apple.
What's getting ridiculous is people like you insulting other users because you don't have any arguments. Good thing there is a report button.
No, this is bullying.
Apple is collectively punishing all UE devs to bully Epic.
How is Epic breaking the ToS anymore if the game isn't there? Fortnite has been removed. Apple doesn't want to lose the revenue from Fortnite either so they are holding Unreal hostage so they can get money from it again.
Fortnite broke the terms of service and was removed. Now they want to make money off it again so they are trying to force Epic to bring back Fortnite the way they want and are holding an entire engine hostage to do so.
Apple already showed how gross they are with the shit they tried to pull on WordPress. Thankfully they backed down on that. Maybe they will here too.
It's crazy the extent this has reached. I do think Apple should take a step back and look at the impact on other companies here from a goodwill stance if nothing else.
That being said, no-one put a gun to Epics head and forced them to agree to the TOS they've broken. They'll have been able to hire the best legal counsel, who will have obviously told them there was a risk this could happen, and they've gone ahead and done it anyway.
It's fine to be pissed at Apple for their unreasonable TOS, but what Epic has done here in gambling other companies livelihoods just to make a few extra $$$ is unforgivable.
That being said, no-one put a gun to Epics head and forced them to agree to the TOS they've broken. They'll have been able to hire the best legal counsel, who will have obviously told them there was a risk this could happen, and they've gone ahead and done it anyway.
It's fine to be pissed at Apple for their unreasonable TOS, but what Epic has done here in gambling other companies livelihoods just to make a few extra $$$ is unforgivable.
People see Apple and reason goes out the window. Just all red in the eyes.
That's like saying a museum that won't let your tour group in because the teacher decided to throw some anti-mask fit is being held hostage when there's nothing stopping the teacher from putting on a mask and bringing everyone back inside as normal
This is only voicing support for epic still having access to IOS dev accounts for unreal engine, nothing more
I don't think this has anything to do with xcloud.
Did you read the post?
Phil is just showing support for the devs, not the lawsuit.
So you think Fortnite and Epic are completely unconnected legally? You think the Contracts that Epic had written for Fornite are not connect in anyway with the company itself? You think a video game can write its own contract?
Fortnite cannot break a contract, its not a legal entity, Epic breaks their contract with Apple over Fortnite, because they broke their contract, they lose their dev accounts as stipulated in Epic's contract with Apple.
See people bringing up well they signed the agreement shit. Everyone who takes a job agrees to it. It doesn't make it fair for fuck sake. That's why we have unions and strikes. To constantly push for better terms. Apple are benefiting from the Labour of others. Pushing them for fair terms should be done constantly.
Sometimes if they don't listen you gotta go on strike or go to court
Sometimes if they don't listen you gotta go on strike or go to court