This is exquisite.
The mental gymnastics required to criticize a company for simultaneously being pro consumer and doing what's best for business. The nerve of Microsoft.
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Microsoft deserves more praise for a fantastic service like Gamepass. Will Sony or Nintendo follow up with a similar service next gen?
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This is exquisite.
The mental gymnastics required to criticize a company for simultaneously being pro consumer and doing what's best for business. The nerve of Microsoft.
Oh, well yeah. I just thought you didn't realize that PS4 games were downloadable since a lot of people apparently still are unaware.
But PSNow goes on sale at least once a year. It was on sale for $80 for a year (so $40 off) late last year.
All these services get discounts from time to time. It doesn't necessarily mean anything bad. Though yes, Microsoft has been more aggressive with discounts on Game Pass.
They are, they've just been too gun shy to activate the real money part in the last few years.
12 months of PS Now was on sale for $60 on amazon like a month ago.
Well there you go. Clearly PS Now is doomed.
Game Pass? Also doomed.
Hell, Nintendo is giving away their Online sub on Twitch Prime. It must be super doomed.
People keep saying all of Ms games were bad quality a just rushed on gamepass , but what about fh4, a game I guess a lot of people forget that was a 92. Granted, state of decay 2 and crackdown 3 were the best but still. And sea of thieves had a resurgence. I think someone from rare said sales and gp players were around 50/50 or something like that. So people use gamepass AND still buy the games.
Several posts saying PS Now is similar at least 3rd party wise. It's just amazing...
What? Are you actually serious?
What? Are you actually serious?
Honestly I don't even know how Microsoft can afford to have Game Pass the way it is right now. I keep waiting for the other shoe to drop. It's such a great deal I just assume they are losing money on it at this point.
Sony has a lot of first party big hits that I can't imagine they could afford the same system, it would be even more insane than Game Pass.
Nintendo basically exists on their first party games alone, and they don't even like putting them on sale. Zero change of this from Nintendo.
Sony has a lot of first party big hits that I can't imagine they could afford the same system, it would be even more insane than Game Pass.
Nintendo basically exists on their first party games alone, and they don't even like putting them on sale. Zero change of this from Nintendo.
God of War sold over 3 million copies in 3 days. Plenty of people buy games at full price. Almost ever person I know buys big titles day one for full price or close to it.
Sure lots of people wait for sales. But to say not many people pay 60 dollars is disingenuous by a long shot. Hell even Spider-Man sold almost 3 million copies in one week.
Putting these types of games on a service that cost 60 dollars a year (which is basically what Game Pass costs if you buy it at it's cheapest) just would be financial suicide for Sony's first party studios. Sure it would be fucking amazing for us consumers but it just isn't gonna happen.
It is a fantastic service OP and it will only get better next gen. Halo Infinite, Gears, Ori, Forza, Fable and every game from all 14 studios including Xbox Global Publishing will land on the service day one. and MS is only going to keep acquiring more devs and bringing in more AAA 3P games to the service just to make sure the service never lacks exclusive 1P content and good 3P content. Its going to be interesting...
Why would Sony sacrifice the revenue from best-selling games like Spiderman or GoW in order to achieve a straw fire in terms of new PSNow subs?
Sony is - in the current market environment - in absotely no need to do that.
That said, I believe PS5 will come together whit a whole now approach with a modular PS+/PSNow subscripition model to leverage both.
Sony is - in the current market environment - in absotely no need to do that.
That said, I believe PS5 will come together whit a whole now approach with a modular PS+/PSNow subscripition model to leverage both.
Which games?
I play many of their games on Gamepass and none of them are crammed with micro transactions.
As many other topics in this forum, gamepass praise is a bit on the exaggerated side imo.
Don't get me wrong, it is a good service that has an audience, and more options are welcome.
But let's be realistic, so far the service has been constantly on promotion so value is obviously better than if it was full price.
At full price things change quite a bit: yes first party is there day one, but today's MS first party is anemic compared to Nintendo and Sony, maybe will change in the future, but today isn't there.
Third party content is probably better than other similar services, but seems to hit the service when the game doesn't sell enough and/or starts to drop in price. And for me one of the critical aspects of these kind of sub based services: they choose for you, so you have no idea if will really enjoy it. And games also come and go, so you can't also take the games for granted.
Reminds me of Netflix, i got it for free for 2 years, and it had relatively good quality content, but now quality is lower, price has been rised, and i have no promotions any more, and some shows i didn't have time to watch have are not there any more.
Don't get me wrong, it is a good service that has an audience, and more options are welcome.
But let's be realistic, so far the service has been constantly on promotion so value is obviously better than if it was full price.
At full price things change quite a bit: yes first party is there day one, but today's MS first party is anemic compared to Nintendo and Sony, maybe will change in the future, but today isn't there.
Third party content is probably better than other similar services, but seems to hit the service when the game doesn't sell enough and/or starts to drop in price. And for me one of the critical aspects of these kind of sub based services: they choose for you, so you have no idea if will really enjoy it. And games also come and go, so you can't also take the games for granted.
Reminds me of Netflix, i got it for free for 2 years, and it had relatively good quality content, but now quality is lower, price has been rised, and i have no promotions any more, and some shows i didn't have time to watch have are not there any more.
I feel like MS is getting way more praise for this service than it deserves.
A bunch of old and very old games, with the MS day one exclusives that are very rare does not make me excited. I wanted to sign up with but before we knew how much of a shitshow Crackdown 3 was so I could also enjoy FH4, but then the reviews came in and it's not worth it for FH4 alone so now I'm waiting until the next big MS game to sub.
Yeah, the main reason people don't mention PSNow as a GP competitor is that it wasn't intended to be. PSNow was a streaming-only service that I suspect was mainly a workaround to PS3 back-compatibility. Then it's slowly become more of a Netflix for Games (well, maybe more of a VRV for Games in its current state), but I think it still shows its original intent too much this gen.
Next-gen, I could see Sony actually working on it as a real Netflix for Games program. That GP has stuff like Monster Hunter, Prey, and Life is Strange 2 is a huge value. And for less than PSNow. Sony should catch up a lot though next-gen on this front.
I have no hope for Nintendo. I'm a huge pusher of online services (because I think a variety of features and content delivery systems is the most beneficial thing gaming can do for consumers), and after the whole headset nonsense with the Switch, I'm honestly just a bit deflated when it comes to Nintendo doing these things.
It seems to be getting well
52% of all streaming services, and it's an afterthought?
What's exactly makes the quality of third party titles on Gamepass better, since it has about 500 games less than PS Now?
Yes they absolutely do, they have single handedly changed the way I consume games. I no longer buy games at ALL.
So it's kind of hard to play playstation exclusives nowadays, outside of renting or library. I really hope Sony jumps into this bandwagon and releases their own similar service, with every single 1st party game on day 1. Because if they don't I just cant see myself buying a playstation console in the future.
So it's kind of hard to play playstation exclusives nowadays, outside of renting or library. I really hope Sony jumps into this bandwagon and releases their own similar service, with every single 1st party game on day 1. Because if they don't I just cant see myself buying a playstation console in the future.
Yup.
I think and hope that PSNow will at least get on par with Game Pass in regards to the 3rd party games. People who say that they offer the same games must be wearing blinders. The main difference right now in regards to 3rd party games is that Microsoft have more recent games, even a lot of indie games are day one. Right now i can play games like Shadow of The Tomb Raider, Just Cause 4, Prey and Monster Hunter World. I don't think i need to clarify why getting games earlier is better.
So for PSNow to get on par with Game Pass they need to at least have the same games on the service. There is no reason why i'm stuck with older games on PSNow.
As someone else has said they should also get first party games on PSNow sooner. We all now that we wont get them day one, but theres no reason why older games like Uncharted 4 isn't on yet.
I can easily see that PSNow becomes bigger on Playstation if Sony puts the work in a deliver next gen.
So for PSNow to get on par with Game Pass they need to at least have the same games on the service. There is no reason why i'm stuck with older games on PSNow.
As someone else has said they should also get first party games on PSNow sooner. We all now that we wont get them day one, but theres no reason why older games like Uncharted 4 isn't on yet.
I can easily see that PSNow becomes bigger on Playstation if Sony puts the work in a deliver next gen.
Sony don't have the infrastructure in place to do something like XGP. Thier studios release narrative driven single player games with little to no support after launch in terms of DLC.
Each of thier studios releases a game like this every 5-6 years. A service would require content and updates every few months m
Each of thier studios releases a game like this every 5-6 years. A service would require content and updates every few months m
Another feature they don't get enough credit for is how the licensing works with digital games, the home console sharing trick. I purchase a digital game, my brother and I can both play it, at the same time, on 2 different Xbox's, on our own accounts.
The reason I mention this is that it works with Game Pass too. I own Game Pass and my brother enjoys all the benefits at the same time, on his own Xbox.
If you don't know about the digital licensing on a Xbox, you get 2 licenses for every digital game: one bound to your account and one bound to your 'home Xbox'.
So to share your library with someone, you sign into their Xbox and set their Xbox to your 'home xbox' and they immediately get access to all your games. Then on your own Xbox, you have access to your entire library through your account's license.
And you can both play the games at the same time.
The reason I mention this is that it works with Game Pass too. I own Game Pass and my brother enjoys all the benefits at the same time, on his own Xbox.
If you don't know about the digital licensing on a Xbox, you get 2 licenses for every digital game: one bound to your account and one bound to your 'home Xbox'.
So to share your library with someone, you sign into their Xbox and set their Xbox to your 'home xbox' and they immediately get access to all your games. Then on your own Xbox, you have access to your entire library through your account's license.
And you can both play the games at the same time.
We tried to get it working on the PS4 and it doesn't work the same way. I forget the exact issue, but I think it was that you have to be signed into their account in the background to play their games. And you can only be signed into a single account on one PS4 at a time.
Or something like that. There is some barrier preventing it from working the same way it does on Xbox.
So it is a feature that we use to kind of borrow games for a short period of time. Which is nice, don't get me wrong, I played Spider-Man for free! But it is not the same convenience as no hassle access to the entire library simultaneously.
And it's only going to get better next gen. I'll be really surprised if Sony doesn't respond somehow.
no man, this is literally user error. It works exactly the same way on PS4 and it's also the exact same way to set up. Might wanna take another look at it.
I don't really care tbh. MS games do nothing for me and I like to own my games(or licenses, if you will) and be able to play them whenever I want. I don't want to be rushed to finish something, because it possible might disappear from the service. Also not using PS Now.
Could be user error for sure, we couldn't find much information on it.
So player A sets their PS4 to player b's home console, player B sets their PS4 to player A's home console, and then you both can play the game at the same time?
That changed everything for us if that's true. I feel like we tried that and it didn't work but we'll have to try again.
Based on what you wrote they have zero reason to cater you. No way could AAA gaming survive if this was the common sentiment. Be thankful the rest of us are subsidizing your hobby.
It's ridiculous how many people fail to see the crucial difference between Game Pass and PS Now, their business models are fundamentally different. It's the difference between playing a new game day one, and playing it a few years later. Yes, the amount of games that launch into Game Pass is still very limited, but things have been steadily improving, with Microsoft citing Game Pass as one of the main reasons behind the recent Xbox Game Studios expansion. In practice, that difference is extremely important, and it saves subscribers the most money. The way I acquire first-party - and not just first-party - games has been transformed, and I'm certain that the way developers think about getting their games into people's hands is also changing.
Now, there's nothing stopping Sony from changing their business model, but the questions of "will they?" and "when?" still remain.
Now, there's nothing stopping Sony from changing their business model, but the questions of "will they?" and "when?" still remain.
The thing I want to see most with streaming game is a 'suspend' feature that lets me stop any game and resume from any device at any time.
I love the suspend feature on PS4 and Switch but I'd like to be able to fire up another game for a while before returning exactly where I was, even if I was busy juggling inventory items!
I love the suspend feature on PS4 and Switch but I'd like to be able to fire up another game for a while before returning exactly where I was, even if I was busy juggling inventory items!
Wow! How are save files handled for streaming games?
It's cool to access to the MS first-party content but the rest of the catalog isn't that interesting for me, compared to the dozen of bundle offers that exists, and even just simple store sales. "Free gambas all night" is a cool restaurant formula but my stomach isn't extensive (as my lunch time). I also like to peck here and there in small indie diners no matter the price, or enjoying a prince menu with a collector edition.
PS Now saves everything in their own servers when streaming. So if you stream on the PS4 and then on the PC, you don't have to do anything as the save data is already there.
You have the option to download that save to your PS4 if you want though.
I think Sony has no choice but to follow. Nintendo... no... they are a first party machine and almost certainly will not do this.
I don't remember exactly who picked it up before. But gamepass just made free games to gold members obsolete. But I think Sony and Nintendo maintain content value so the demand for exclusives remains. How about halo 5 was free faster than halo 3 went free right? Gamepass is a strange market. Because it's a lot easier to say nah this isn't actually fun and uninstall the game. Ps plus may be the better way of approaching maintained value and consistent membership. I think forza has been the only great thing I've found. And I ended up finding a used copy for 3 dollars and now will prob cancel game pass.
You can already do that on Xbox One with some games. Granted, it's just a few titles, I believe that Threes! and Nutjitsu are among them. In fact, when Snap was still a thing, two games could've been played at the same time, theoretically, but only one would have focus - it could've worked well with turn-based games, where you're playing the other game while you're waiting for your opponent's turn to finish. I think the trick is those games are actually apps, and use only the amount of resources allocated to apps. It would be great if such a thing was implemented across the board, but if loading times will really be drastically reduced on next gen consoles, the need for such a feature naturally diminishes.
This.
Gamepass also changed my sense of enjoyment based on value. Like, Just cause 4 would have been a disappointment at 65 bucks, but for free. I freakin' LOVE it. Very under-rated. Same with Vampyr and Prey. GP is stuffed with really good titles that I never would have bought...
I think they should split them in 2 services, for people that do not want streaming. Expanding the "gamepass" subscription service they already have is easy. It's nothing more then a PS Store with subscription model on top of it, same as gamepass. Give it a fancy name and they can compete.
i'd love to see something like that from nintendo, but i think they'll be the last one to create a service like that. their first party games sell way too much and are way too important for their business to offer in a subscription service, and the third party lineup isn't as attractive as MS/sony to make people want to sub.