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Microsoft’s Project xCloud formally announced: Out to the public in 2019
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Okay.
Wait wut? That's a cap.
That being said, I'd say that anyone living in a fairly urban area with modern internet is pretty ready. It's everyone else that's going to be left in the dust if Telcoms don't get their shit together.
Hope you are staying in a place with decent 4G, because hotel Wifi tends to be terrible, haha.
A cap on a mobile plan, for 4G. ;)
Fiber, cable, DSL, etc. are unlimited.
Yes I would, but if you rold me Nintendo would be okay with linking their infrastructure to XBL over a year ago (signing into XBL in Minecraft) I wouldn't believe it.
Nintendo could still sell hardware and their own games (not everything will be on the streaming service either) at their own leisure.
Well honestly, if Sony and NIntendo didn't have stellar catelogs you would be right. But that's what is the elephant in the room. Xbox's brand has been on the decline most of this gen. With the last year or so them turning some things around on the backend. But still have issues with software that until we see their new projects are not helping this initiative of streaming. Them making a big deal about streaming/cloud feels reactionary to how this gen has played out for them.
People are not as jazzed in buying xbox over Playstation/Nintendo, and they even tried with PC. So their thinking is it's locking their content to a specific box is their problem, so they tried playanywhere and gamepass.
Now streaming they think will bring more people into the fray for users. But what will the majority of people who have a good low latency connection going to be playing?
This is a smart move for Microsoft since they have the public cloud infrastructure. Remember they are selling their services not just to consumers, but also to the gaming development/publishing world. Having built in streaming service hooks that come with your console's SDK is a big feature.
The one confusing thing for me is the special Xbox blades they designed. Why do they even need those when the architecture is pretty much a standard PC?
The one confusing thing for me is the special Xbox blades they designed. Why do they even need those when the architecture is pretty much a standard PC?
Yes, this is absolutely baffling. I guess the XOne gaming OS is nowhere near as "abstract system running in a VM" as people imagined, for now.
It's also kind of weird everyone banging on about "their Azure makes for a huge competitive advantage!"... It might, if they were using it. This plan sounds like adding racks of x1s next to the Azure boxes, pretty much.
Well yes, but a big part of this initiative is the ability to use any device anywhere. That's something everyone is going to think about, because if you used any streaming gaming service on your phone with mobile data, you'd use your monthly allocation in a day. Like, to get the most out of this stuff, the big 5 are going to have to lobby against ALL data caps, not just home internet.
If they used different parts I guess they'd only be able to run Play Anywhere games. All the other titles are optimized for the Xbox hardware. Emulating that could be a task on itself.
Luckily there are plenty of unlimited data plans for 4G too. I got one from T-Mobile for €35 per month (including Netflix, excluding a phone)
So basically something that covers 90% of the gaming market is a 'small market'? Because the US, UK, Western Europe and Japan pretty much covers the lions share.
Someone posted earlier that there are two data centers in the works for Abu Dhabi and Dubai.
However, I don't argue with you that the main home console will still be the big draw for the next gen.
Still.
Some games are currently not available on Switch because of limitations or publishers lack of intrest in ports.
Now if this launched on Switch then they would get access to a lot of AAA games through MS making their portable option more attractive (instead of competing with smartphones that can now run Halo, Destiny, Madden etc.).
Well the U.S. is their best market by a lot, once you leave the coasts internet speeds go down the gutter.
Compatibility more than likely. Remember people will still have consoles, and if your laying forza or something like that online you will be laying against people with consoles. If it ran on PC servers, possibility people streaming would have maybe a better experience. Also probably cheaper to have a server that can house multiple xbox's running different games.
I'm not even thinking Sony is doomed (because is not) but in 10/15 years when gaming will be hardware agnostic we will gonna choose the best infrastructure and the platform who give us best services ..and I'm not really seeing Sony and Nintendo (even less than sony) in the same game as Ms / Google Amazon.
The time of walled garden is slowly endind and there are companies (investing billions) that are already setting up for the new playground
We will probably be happy to play Sony exclusives streamed through Ms/Google/amazon infrastructure
True. Unlimited data for phones is getting more common against fair prices (25€/month for unlimited data and calls in the Netherlands). By the time the service launches it could be cheaper.
I do agree with you though. Cloud gaming on the go is a niche for people with unlimited data.
I'd be interested to see what latency is like, although for mobile here it would surely depend on your provider as well as proximity to Azure. For the former, it's still pretty ropey in the UK unless you're in a city. Can't see me streaming Forza on my phone with H or 3G.
Why not? In Japan, they already allow users to stream Resident Evil 7 and Assassin's Creed Odyssey.
True, but generally I can stream Vudu movies in HD without much trouble. I know there's more going on here, but hey, it can't be worse than no games!
This is where 5G comes in, which delivers massive amounts of capacity for little additional cost vs 4G deployment. Data caps will definitely not stay as they are.
HD video is about 7MB/s. Games with proper graphics and control input will be something else.
I will always game primarily on dedicated hardware because I consider myself a relatively hardcore gamer, but man if Microsoft isn't killing it with the consumer options with their platform and service offerings. I absolutely would see myself playing certain games at least through the streaming option when away from my 4K TV at home, and their bigger play of course is to reach additional customers with such an option. All of that just adds revenue so that they can continue to provide us as gamers with cool things like new first party content by adding additional studios like they are doing. I am not saying that Sony is going to be in major trouble next generation or anything, but Microsoft is way too big of a company with the right tech infrastructure for them to compete at the same level on some of where gaming in general looks to be heading in the next 10 years.
Well I hope you will have unlimited 5g data on mobile too ....that would solve everything
Ubi and Capcom are already 3rd party devs making games for the Switch. Huge difference from what would be seen as a big advertisement for Microsoft and Xbox. Honestly, the idea that this could happen is so absurd I don't know why anybody would entertain this.
I would see nvidia releasing cloud games for switch with GeForce now before Microsoft, since nvidia and Nintendo have the decades long partnership or whatever
Again, wait to actually see how the service is and if ther is appeal for the mass market, it's just baseless speculation about the future at this point.
I don't believe that at all. Console gaming is slowly becoming like PC more than anything and things like steam link, steam OS did not light the world on fire. I think you just will have more options for how you want to game, but ultimately having a console/PC will still be the way to go.
If records for game sales weren't being broken I would say you are right more than you are wrong. But the consumers have spoken and dedicated gaming hardware isn't going anywhere nor is streaming goingto replace it.
I feel Gamepass is more of the future, and being locked into a service will be determined for what each will offer. Nintendo isn't going to all of a sudden streaming mario kart when they are breaking records and after a year from release still charting on NPD.
Just checked the 4G coverage. With an average speed of ~75Mbit this should work on 4G in The Netherlands
Hahaha yes. We'll also have cornea implants with 32K+ resolution per eye running over 10,000fps+perfect foveated rendering for VR/AR and we'll consume video game entertainment in different forms. But both you and I might be looong dead before that future so save your hypotheticals.
I know. I was agreeing with your sentiments hence the /s.
Why do people keep saying this? A video feed is a video feed is a video feed. Controller input data isn't going to take up a bunch of data, neither will "proper graphics." It's a video signal.
There will definitely be data differences between 30fps experiences and 60 though.
Video is still video whether it's a game or a movie (though 7mbps probably won't give great IQ but maybe good enough for a phone). UL speed requirements for transmitting input information are likely to be small I think. The main concern as had been said is jitter and latency.
Xbox One X XCloud X.
Looks sick. Would really be interested in 4G gaming if the latency is there.
Reading the last few pages has been funny. Reading the entire thread has been basically. This topic usually is.
I remember this same type of thing when Windows Phone launched.
On one hand yeah, the company already doing it can get replaced (smartphone market) but that usually happens when current company changes too late or doesn't at all. Or under estimates the competition (Ballmer literally laughing about the iPhone)
Sony adding downloads to PSNow should tell ppl they aren't just sitting back twiddling their thumbs.
I hope MS does improve the latency issue with hardware. If so, there's a chance Sony might do another handheld with that type tech in it.
Idk, could just be marketing speak.
I still remember EAs "unprecedented" support with WiiU. :P
In theory, something like this could allow me to stream Scarlett games on an Xbox 360. I doubt that will happen, but this is a smart move.
Only Pocophone is plastic (one phone out of dozens all alluminum or glass), and it is like that for a reason (its price), they do have the Mi8 as a flagship with the amoled display, 7000 series alluminum body,... and it costs $350-400, while the Xperia XZ3 is $800-900. Or take Oneplus, or again Nokia, or Huawei... there are a lot of great options often cheaper than Sony phones.
Maybe in your country the most popular brands aren't still there, so yes in your very specific case Xperia could still make sense (especially if you are a video person), for the rest of the world things are going differently, because yes while Sony phones still make some of the best videos, or maybe they have the best display (debatable) for most people that feature alone is not worth the price when other flagships with similar specs have far better design, performance, battery life, software... IDC reports proves that Sony is almost irrelevant in the smartphone business nowadays, they are not in the top 5 or top 10 smartphone manufacturers.
For me personally i can't consider their phone simply because 1cm of thickness and 193g of weight is waay too much for a flagship in 2018, plus despite the heaviness the battery capacity is only 3300 mah.
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I don't know about the US but where I am revenue per user has barely gone up while data consumption has skyrocketed. All technological efficiency savings were passed on to users and my understanding is that the same is true for most of the world. I see no reason why 5G would be any different.