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Microsoft’s engineering team are WIZARDS!!! (Series X size)
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Nah, PS5 has a bigger volume figure. It's a bigger console all things considered.
This is the most important to me. I can't stand another console as loud as my Pro. But I believe in Cerny and he acknowledged the issue in his deep dive.
Series X is cool and I like its form factor but tbh anything at the side of the PS5 will look better designed. The bar is so low...
Makes me wonder if people at home will be able to mod their console in a way, that it never downclockes, even if its overheating. Or if they will be able to make the PS5 run at max boost all the time, like the Series X.
I wouldn't put either of them on a shelf, more like behind the tv or next to it.They need clearance.
Obviously PS5 is big for a reason and if the man itself adressed the noise issue, then it's something people shouldn't worry about this time around.
Obviously PS5 is big for a reason and if the man itself adressed the noise issue, then it's something people shouldn't worry about this time around.
If I m not mistaken ps5 is slightly lighter though.9.8 lbs vs 10.3 lbs
As already said, the stand appears to go in the negative space under the console, thus not adfing its entire height to it.
And what you said was that 4" + stand would be almost 6" (+50%), to then backtrack and imply a +25% (+1").
I don't see it, but photos can certainly be deceiving.
Of course it's deceiving. That's the point of all the curves and all the angled shots. If anything (and this is just my theory) the curvy design is really meant to throw you off and distract you from how huge this console really is. I suppose that only works with angled bull-shots. But actually having it in your living room will be another story.
Actually the PS5 is slightly heavier. Not by much thou.
This tells me there is a lot of unused space in the PS5 whereas the XSX is packed tighter and more dense.
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Fortunately I can put that thick boy behind my TV so it's out of sight mostly. I plan on doing the same for the Series X when I get one.
I personally don't mind the size but I can easily see it being bothersome to others. It is pretty interesting that while the Series X is big still, MS managed to cram a little more into a smaller case.
I personally don't mind the size but I can easily see it being bothersome to others. It is pretty interesting that while the Series X is big still, MS managed to cram a little more into a smaller case.
Probably incredibly slim. I think we'll be lucky to get upgraded consoles by year 4.
Sony very soon I think
They hopefully have a lot to improve upon
(plus their insane history of revisions)
I really want a PS5 but it won't fit in my setup so I am gunna hope for a slim within 18 months or so
XSX looks lazy and uninspired to me, but I guess that it's a lot easier to cool a cube shaped console than a flatter one. Props to them for choosing function over looks tho.
A redesign/slim usually means that they found out to reduce costs, rather than putting out just a "redesign". I personally dont think a slim/redesign will come that soon.
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Can you give me official figures for xsx?
I see ps5 is 9.9 lbs from official release
Edit Found it . Yea 9.8 lbs for xsx.
Can you give me official figures for xsx?
I see ps5 is 9.9 lbs from official release
Edit Found it . Yea 9.8 lbs for xsx.
As someone that gets both every gen, imo MS is better at everything other than the actual games themselves. But that's the most important part and Sony has that special sauce that MS doesn't.
It's 9.8
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Hmm, am I the only one who prefers the look of PS5 when it has straight edges like this? Wouldn't even need the horizontal stand either without those ridiculous curves/bulges.
Would definitely look much better.
PS5 has a mandatory stand iirc.
I don't get the narrative that PS5 fits in every shelve, while Xbox doesn't.
This.
Internal on both.
Nope, not this. You need to take the stand into account on PS5.
6 x 6 x 12 = 425 sq in.
(3 to 4) x 10 x 15 = 525 sq in. (maybe a little more because it's more complex than a wedge shape)
Why? You guys want to put it in your bathtub or something?
If I don't have 6" height in my rack the XSX doesn't fit.
If I don't have 15" in width the PS5 doesn't fit. And chances are the XSX will be a tight fit blocking the vents.
Yea so basically same weight .It's 9.8
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Cooling solution for ps5 needed more space probably
The shape is a matter of costs, but the cooling system comparable.
Same shape, same number of holes, you're on to something Coi!
Where it's not unrelated is that in the late 2013, they've managed to fit in their trashcan :
- One Xeon 12 core 2.7/3.5 Ghz
- Up to 128 Gb ECC RAM DDR3
- Two AMD Fire Pro (up to 12GB of VRAM)
- 6 xThunderbolt 2 2xGigabith 4xUSB3 1xHDMI
- 1TB of PCI-E SSD (up to 1.5 Gb/s)
So yes it was a prowess, and not necessarily a direct inspiration for the Series X but certainly a reference during its conception.
Microsoft said that the manufacturing process has reached a point where cheaper/slimmer redesigns without affecting functionality aren't really feasible anymore (it's one of the reasons they released Series S at launch, they don't plan on releasing a slimmed down unit later). However, a more powerful redesign - I've seen some speculation that Microsoft could be going to a 2-year update cadence, updating system specs just as people pay off their 2-year payment plans.
If this forum is anything to go by Sony have interns running the whole PlayStation division.
I'm surprised neither one was able to get the system into a typical console form factor considering mini-itx chassis are already getting close using off the shelf parts. Here's one that fits a full length card into 7.1 Liters:
Using a more exotic power supply (but still a conventional low profile cpu fan), the S4 Mini fits a full GPU into a smaller build than the Xbox One:
So I'm surprised that with the benefit of customized silicone and pcb neither company was able to substantially outperform parts anyone can buy.
Yes, but what are the acoustic profiles of these PC builds? Are they near silent like the Xbox One X?
How hot would they get under sustained load? Perhaps, there is more nuance consideration both companies had to overcome to get to where they are?
When you compare the size of the Switch to these systems, I'm damn impressive what that thing can do.
PS5 having the same number of CUs as the PS4 Pro (and exactly double that of the regular PS4) makes me think it might have been a backwards compatibility compromise of some sort. If you're stuck with a 36CU GPU and need to get more power then the only way forward is to clock the shit out of it.
I have a really hard time buying the "official" story on the boost clocks.
They designed an absolutely massive console that requires exotic cooling and liquid metal thermal compound just to hit a performance level that is at best 20% slower than the Xbox when the CPU isn't being pushed too hard. None of this extra engineering work makes sense to me unless they were somehow forced to get more performance out of a "locked-in" chip configuration, or it somehow still saved Sony money compared to coughing up for more compute units.
PS5 would be a cool design if it was the size of the S. Being ugly and huge is just not a good look.
Doubly so when you consider its running on pretty dated tech at this point. That's why I'm so excited about a Switch Pro or successor that actually has a SoC built just for it and not repurposed.
PS5: 10.5456 litres
PS5 DE: 9.3288 litres
Series X: 6.863101 litres
Series S: 2.699125 litres
You state this like it's true for everyone, and it isn't. XSX will fit in my TV cabinet just fine. It isn't as tall as my AV receiver, which fits without issue.
Definitely not earlier than previous gens. The reason previous generations have had redesigns is because they were able to shrink the processors to save a lot of money.
However, Richard Leadbetter said Microsoft believes that next gen processors won't be able to die shrink to cut costs nearly as significantly as previous generations. Richard thinks that if MS is right, instead of cost cuts, console makers will increase SSD capacity.
This is how the horizontal stand works. It mostly takes up negative space of the console design. So not much of a difference.
Edit: On second thought, I think these pictures aren't official and edited based on pictures of the vertical position. Point still stands though.
God I'm with you. The ps5 should just fit in my TV stand vertically. If it is quiet I'll be happy.. My ps4 is like a jet engine and I can't deal with that again. Will be day one for a slim if it is loud lol
The PS5 is designed the way it is because it has to:
1) Be cost competitive
2) Be producible at Large Volumes.
Generally speaking, #1 and #2 can be incompatible at the scale that PS5 is going to be selling at, especially with what we know of RDNA2 on 7nm. Even Microsoft admits in their Hot Chips slides how much more expensive it is this generation. Larger chip sizes also limit how many chips you can produce, especially with how many other products use these fabs there's only so much supply they can produce.
This is precisely why Sony went with their design. The constraints may have not impacted Microsoft nearly as much, partly because they have the Series S already, but also because they aren't expected to sell nearly as many consoles as Sony. That's why they could go wide and slow and Sony went narrow and fast.