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Michelle Yeoh Star Trek spinoff in development at CBS All Access - Official
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The first few episodes wowed me, but the season really disappointed me. The tone is all over the place.
Still a good watch. Some great episodes.
There is so much Star Trek now.
This was almost a completely dead franchise! As a big fan I don't know how I'm supposed to feel. We've gone from next-to-no Trek to literally more Star Trek than we've ever had.
(For the record I love Discovery as a well-produced, fun-to-watch sci-fi show. I understand the complaints that die-hard Trek fans have with it but none of that bothers me. Discovery doesn't retroactively ruin my enjoyment of TNG, the best show ever made).
This was almost a completely dead franchise! As a big fan I don't know how I'm supposed to feel. We've gone from next-to-no Trek to literally more Star Trek than we've ever had.
(For the record I love Discovery as a well-produced, fun-to-watch sci-fi show. I understand the complaints that die-hard Trek fans have with it but none of that bothers me. Discovery doesn't retroactively ruin my enjoyment of TNG, the best show ever made).
Because of the actress primarily I'd imagine, which is kinda the Catch-22 here in general. Yeoh is one of the biggest names, relative to both when a series starts and as it goes on, for the franchise to have ever gotten. Where most Trek series have made their cast into stars, with her, they actually got a star, and given their clear desire to push out as much Trek as reasonably possible, they are sure as hell going to leverage.
The problem with that, as many of the confused reactions in this thread, and the glaring omission in many articles about the news, demonstrate, is that the actual character said star now inhabits is not the one many of them expect, both in particulars and in general concept. Giving
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Space Hitler
CBS: You thought Star Trek Discovery played fast and loose with canon? Was edgy, grimdark and forewent the principles of Star Trek? Just you wait for our anti-hero blacks op series, so we can show you your future utopia couldn't have been built with behind the scenes torture, murder and mayhem.
This is exciting news. I was hoping they would actually move ahead with this idea. Can't wait to see what they do with it!
I love it. They do offer free trials so you can always try it out for week or two and then unsub. If you're outside of the US and Canada though all you need is Netflix
I find this all very exciting personally. A lot of potential here in my opinion. I loved Discovery and this is coming from a long time Star Trek fan who use to watch all of the old Trek shows with my dad when I was younger and of course I own all of Trek as well on DVD, Blu-Ray and 4K (when applicable). Discovery isn't without it's issues but it was a damn fun first season of Star Trek and the second season is looking and sounding great as well.
There is so little good sci-fi and space shows these days. I would have thought Star Trek fans would be more excited about the future of Trek as I am.
There is so little good sci-fi and space shows these days. I would have thought Star Trek fans would be more excited about the future of Trek as I am.
I mean Hannibal was well liked right? At least give them a chance before y'all start writing them off.
lol, why are people acting so offended at this premise? Section 31's portrayal over the past 2 decades has been of a no-nonsense secret organization who will do anything to protect the Federation, including genocide. Like it or not Section 31 has been a part of Trek for a very long time and from what we can see they've done a LOT of crap behind the scenes to protect that nice "utopia" we see in the other Trek series. I'm very interested to see where the go with this.
I've never really been that enamored of Section 31 — it just seemed like an interesting storytelling device on DS9 and the Federation's version of the Obsidian Order & Tal Shi'ar. Of course the Federation would have their own intelligence agency, and if their methods weren't totally pure, they didn't seem beyond the pale. (I've never read any books, just what's on the screen)
But now you have a show depicting this organization willingly using a genocidal cannibal dictator as an asset? That seems like it would be too much, even for the Federation.
It also adds another twist in that Section 31 appears to be a purely human organization. I wonder if the non-human races are aware of it during any of the time periods we've seen so far.
But now you have a show depicting this organization willingly using a genocidal cannibal dictator as an asset? That seems like it would be too much, even for the Federation.
It also adds another twist in that Section 31 appears to be a purely human organization. I wonder if the non-human races are aware of it during any of the time periods we've seen so far.
Hence I feel there are ways it can be done - because similar has been done before. It depends on how they handle it really. To use the Hannibal comparison, there's a reason Hannibal's not technically the main character in the likes of The Silence of the Lambs.
Which admittedly begs the question of how the show would even handle Georgieu 'working' for Section 31, though obviously that will be touched on come season 2. If one wanted to extrapolate from DS9 and Enterprise, the 'standard' setup for the organisation seems to be having people largely working solo before being called upon, and then they in turn call in favours and/or manipulate people as to achieve a given end. Edit: It's almost an intelligence agency in the more classical sense, where it was people with connections and influence leveraging such for the state. That I think if followed through is where the series will likely have its most potential, in that the seemingly bare bone assets that the organisation actually has to work with - beyond the occasional specialised technology - would necessitate a deeper dive of the Star Trek universe in order to have them fulfil a mission. Section 31 are not the Men in Black; they don't get to drive around in some alien hot rod. They get someone else to drive.
Wait did you see that extra scene at the end of season 1? But I agree it can be done, they just have to be careful about trying to redeem her too much (or at least too quickly if they go that route) they can't forget her past and need to make sure it's front and center when she's making decisions.
I did, though the exact details escape me at the moment. That in itself kinda lends towards what I thought in terms of 'just by themselves until called upon', since it's not like she's called up to a 'Section 31 headquarters' or anything. Definitely agree on the need to not just ignore her past, even if - unless they go straight into villain protag territory - they will need to work past it somehow.
I'm honestly surprised at all the Discovery love in here.
It feels like more Kurtzman/Orci Trek to the max, in a lot of the worst ways. Not unwatchable at all, but not really Trek in a classic sense either. Maybe season 2 turns it around into a different place.
You spelled Janeway wrong
It feels like more Kurtzman/Orci Trek to the max, in a lot of the worst ways. Not unwatchable at all, but not really Trek in a classic sense either. Maybe season 2 turns it around into a different place.
You spelled Janeway wrong
It's certainly more action than adventure so far...but we'll see. If the show has several seasons, it's going to have to shift to more adventure which provides a more natural place for story-telling.
On the one hand I'm just not as excited by this premise as plenty of others. On the other hand, it's Michelle Yeoh, and my household will appreciate a darker spin now that Discovery is clearly aiming lighter.
I never thought I'd say this but I think they're doing too much Star Trek at once.
We've got Discovery, Lower Decks, Picard series and now a Georgiou series.
They look like they're trying to have all year round Trek on CBS Access to stop people cancelling the sub between seasons of Discovery, but it's too much and it's going to make the public sick of the franchise.
We've got Discovery, Lower Decks, Picard series and now a Georgiou series.
They look like they're trying to have all year round Trek on CBS Access to stop people cancelling the sub between seasons of Discovery, but it's too much and it's going to make the public sick of the franchise.
It looks like that Starfleet Academy series is likely happening to as they already have a showrunner and lead writer for that. Could have potential...
Stephanie Savage and Josh Schwartz have been attached to that show for a while, I think
I don't mind the idea of a Section 31 show, but this isn't necessarily the way I wanted to go about it.
You mean Archer, right?
This. If one dislike something in the end that's fine. The point is to give it a chance, especially when one has seen nothing from it. Those making their minds up already are being extremely childish. Many in the Star Trek reddit today have been showing their ass but many of those are people at seemingly come out of nowhere to be negative whenever a big announcement is made. They'll crawl away soon enough I think.
I wouldn't be surprised if that and the new kids focused show hit other networks instead of or in addition to CBS AA. The kids show to Cartoon Network and the academy show to CW. That wouldn't be to crazy I think with them both still being on CBS AA and of course Netflix/CN outside of the US.
I'm not a big Star Trek fan to begin with, but Discovery is really nice.
What do you mean? Are they in trouble?
Weird move. Who is asking for this?
Is it so difficult to get a spaceship crew together for 7 seasons set 50 years after DS9?
Also, my understanding of the Netflix contract is that they get first dibs on any DISCO spin off. Hence no other spin offs, so far.
So why make this when it can end up on Netflix in the two other markets where All Access has launched??
Is it so difficult to get a spaceship crew together for 7 seasons set 50 years after DS9?
Also, my understanding of the Netflix contract is that they get first dibs on any DISCO spin off. Hence no other spin offs, so far.
So why make this when it can end up on Netflix in the two other markets where All Access has launched??
Probably unpopular opinion but I thought she was bad in Discovery. Just poor acting at all times.
If CBS all access is not in trouble, the CEO wouldn't be sent out of the door unceremoniously.
Uh that had nothing to do with CBS AA and more to do with sexual harassment and rape at work
This gives me a little hope for Discovery, I figured when Moonves left the building, any forward momentum on the Trek universe they were creating on All Access would come to a complete stop.
Moonves leaving the company was completely unrelated to anything related to day-to-day business. He was a huge backer of rebuilding the Trek TV franchise, but he was fired because of legal allegations against him.
Moonves leaving the company was completely unrelated to anything related to day-to-day business. He was a huge backer of rebuilding the Trek TV franchise, but he was fired because of legal allegations against him.
It really hasn't though. It's been a topic of maybe 6- 7 episodes between DS9 (3) and Enterprise (4, maybe 3) and that was across seasons in those shows and been the subject of one film (Into Darkness) where I think the name was only mentioned twice I think. There have been 749 episodes of Star Trek counting episode 1 of season 2 of Discovery. There really is not a lot of information Section 31 and nothing at all from their PoV.
Eh. It's not what I want from Star Trek so I bounced really hard off of it.